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Mine had some marking on it as well. I just didn't care that much, so I never commented. I had to look at the photos because I could not remember what they were, and it turns out they were exactly the same.

 

Why is it every time I put together a loop with the black ek tubing it just destroys my fingers tips lol.

Anyways

I have it running in the system. I did a quick PR stress test to confirm temps were all good.

One thing for sure is, if you install the HC kit the back plate will now absorb every ounce of heat the card puts out! The back plate hits the same temp as the GPU, and the same temp as the memory modules depending on where you check the temperature at.

Memory temps are way way down. Coming from 74-78C on the back GDDR6X modules to 55C.

I stayed up wayy too late last night, so not much time for benching or testing. My water loop components required extreme cleaning and scrubbing. And I had to get my system back together and running for work the next day lol. So I couldn’t stop until it was done.


That’s a photo was the 2nd flush out of the loop. The first was too bad for photography. Anyways the whole system needed to be tore apart and I was up until about 530AM lol. I walked right in to a trap on this one. Just running distilled with silver coil for now on.

 

It is a 5 lol.

From what I have gathered, It means 1995 for 1995Mhz. I think 1995Mhz is the minimum to be a kingpin die. It’s pretty funny because running the Port royal stress test, my 3090KP starts out at 1,995Mhz and then slowly goes up to 2,025Mhz and stays there. This is with stock clocks and voltages.

I believe that’s how they test the silicon though. If it holds 1995Mhz under certain conditions.

 

Yes, the Hydro Copper made a HUGE improvement on memory temps for me. Similar decrease. When running cryptomining the temps were insane (like 90-92°C on the memory) and the backplate was painful to touch. Literally too hot to touch. It dropped the mining load temps down to around the same level you are seeing. The HC block is the best thing that could happen to the GPU. It is a whole lot better than the hybrid setup.

Same. Distilled water with silver coil. I recently started adding a little bit (10:1 ratio) of Mayhems XT-1 Clear Nuke concentrate. It is a clear non-toxic variant of ethylene glycol to provide corrosion protection and lubrication. The silver coil is a biocide.

 

I suspect you are right. It would be too much of a coincidence for the numbers to match, and it also fits perfectly with what Brother @Rage Set said about them being binned chips.

 

@electrosoft

Hey sir, you gonna swap over to the KP Hydro kit too?

 

@Mr. Fox

What are your Deltas like on your 3090KP Hydro Copper?

My memory temperatures are really good. But the actual GPU temps seem to be the same or equivalent to the Hybrid setup.

I did not use the pre-applied thermal square on the waterblock. I scraped that off and used some Kryonaut extreme I had on hand.

Anyways, it seems like even the best contact is about 14C over water temp.

I’m still happy with it either way. Those screaming AIO fans were annoying.


I have my waterblock setup with, this is the default LN2 520 watt bios. So no undervolting.

(left port Inlet) and (Right port outlet)

 

As usual, looks like is EVGA quick to do the right thing, with a sense of care and urgency. Very rare in an industry that doesn't give a flying [insert naughty word] about customers.
https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/evga-replacing-all-dead-rtx-3090s-from-new-world

As for Intel and their subservient Micro$lop butt-kissing, one of the many reasons I have been begrudgingly forcing Linux on myself. I expect AMD will be no less hesitant to offer similar compliance when they are called on to perform other call-girl services. The abusers are the software cartels. The Cupertino Clown Posse and the Redmond Retards are the root of all evil.

 

When your finally satisfied with your build.

(Even if only for a moment lol)

 

Hopefully EVGA will be taking legal action against Amazon for the cost of these RMAs.


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Not due the RMA costs but put the blame where it should be for the mess. This won’t affect the $$$ bottom line for Evga.

 

They definitely should, and the responsible party (Amazon) should be reimbursing the cost of the replacement parts as well as administrative fees handling claims that Amazon would deny. They (Amazon) recently changed their terms of service. Arbitration to resolve disputes is no longer embraced. If someone has a dispute with them, now the only option is litigation. I am sure they know most people won't go there due to costs and most attorney's won't accept cases involving piddly property damage claims.

EVGA FTW. This is an example of why I prefer to buy all PC parts from them as often as possible. They do the right thing in a space where that seldom occurs.

 

That looks really great. Nice job. See, I told you those yellow fans would look good. Fitting, since that bad boy stings like a bee now.

 

Here is a rig I put together last night with spare parts to sell. The Cooler Master Storm Stryker case is a little dated, but it's brand new and cost me nothing. I did not have to buy anything to build it. The entire system is spare parts. I am running out of space in my little office, LOL. The case is huge, so it will be nice to not have it taking up space in the closet.
10850K, 16GB of DDR4-4000 CL19, EVGA 780 Ti Classified. W10 Pro for WS. 256GB NVMe OS drive and 1TB NVMe data/game drive. Generic Onn 24-inch 1080p monitor.

 

Im sure there are circumstances that exist where EVGA fell short but as far as I know EVGA has typically done their customers a solid when it came to support.

 

I'm sticking with the all black look even though I really like how your WB build turned out!

 

This is actually pretty decent for air cooling. It will make a nice rig for someone. It's always interesting messing with old parts like this case. It's brand new still. A relative bought it years ago and never used it. It's massive, but has so much wasted space because it is designed to hold about 10 3.5 inch SATA drives and it has 3 optical drive bays. Above the ODD bays, it has an X-Dock, which is a built-in docking station to hotswap 2.5 inch drives. It is powered by molex and it has a sata cable running to it. And, there are 4 2.5 inch drives bays in addition to those, LOL. Including that X-Dock thing you could stuff in like 15 drives, plus three CD/DVD/BD drives.

So, a huge portion of the case could be used for water cooling parts, but it was built before water cooling became the new normal. I don't like white cases long term. They start bugging me when I have to look at them every day. But, a brand new case with a glossy refrigerator white is hard not to like as a short-term novelty. The shiny white paint is so bright and clean-looking. It is also a fully tool-less design, which is nice. Other than fans and motherboard and NVMe drives being attached with screws, you could assemble everything else without touching a screwdriver.

 

Summary and conclusion
The reader can certainly understand that all those involved did not take the whole thing to extremes due to the expensive hardware and the current shortage. Especially since such a fragile limit value scanning is also primarily the task of the manufacturer's R&D department, in this case EVGA, and the customer must not mutate into a tester. It is praiseworthy when the manufacturer offers to replace the defective cards. But due to the current facts, he would have no choice anyway, so that the noble gesture should then turn into a normal recall.

I can only advise every owner of one of the affected models to contact EVGA prophylactically if the fan problem occurs and not to wait until it comes to final damage. After several discussions with technicians from other board partners, one can also come to the conclusion that this problem should be solvable with a firmware update. One can only hope that EVGA will position itself more clearly here and not push everything back to Amazon. Because that is exactly what is wrong, even if the PR gratefully took it up.

EVGA GeForce RTX 3080, RTX 3090 and (not only) New World - when the graphics card runs amok due to design errors | Testing igorslab.de

 

My favorite from the conclusion.....

 

Not even sure Furmark is as demanding as Amazon’s game running without the added patch

AW Aurora R11 Bricked after playing New World Beta, I am confused.

Now before we start, I don't know if the GPU was fried or not. What I do know is that it took the power supply. The PC will not turn on and any attempt to will result in a burning smell and a puff of smoke. I have since sent it in to be repaired by Alienware tech support as I have had the thing less then a year.

And the Alienware's run Hot as Hell already with "normal" games, LOOL

https://hwbot.org/submission/478928...fe_extreme_hd_graphics_520_(mobile)_740_marks

 

Playing with classified tool! This 3090KP is awesome.

What FB memory voltage are you guys running on the 3090KP? I know the default LN2 bios sends 1.440V to 1.450V. and the (2) dip switches enabled allow around 1.51 FB memory voltage.

My memory temps are cool, but I can’t find a safe benchmarking voltage that I should stick around? Only info for the hybrid 3090KP

 

It sold already. The new owner picked it up about 30 minutes ago. I almost never buy anything on Craigslist, but I have had really good results selling. Beats the crap out of paying fees to eBay and PayPal and stuff sells just as fast.

 

Man, I sure do hope that I do not regret this...
https://optimuspc.com/products/foundation-cpu-block-amd

Especially purchasing something from ASUS...

I got a $35 promo code for the CPU and free shipping, so almost as good as MicroCenter price.

 

The fundamental aspect here is not the Cinebench marks but the hardware Intel Scheduler AND Windows Scheduler that's what I believe. Not sure how CB counts with such weird core topology, is it adding up all those phony Gracemont 8C + 8C16T big cores into one basket and giving us the final output ? And the benchmarks have only come from AnsYuuki leaker off their QS Sample and probably running on Windows 10, or 11 nothing was mentioned and no screenshot either.

Very important aspect of ADL is it's Scheduler. Zen, Zen+ were marred by their topology , same for Zen 2. Until Zen 3 ironed out that cache jumps and still it needs Windows 10 Power plan and UEFI CPCC to enable high speed core ramp up. And AMD even expired the Threadripper socket for Zen2 based refresh.

Also notice how Intel is mum on the ADL performance. Remember when they boasted IPC boost for Rocket Lake and gaming powerhouse when the end result came it was a sad product launch of Intel since 4-5 years, ever since 8700K to 10900K launched they were never a failed launch. But RKL was due to its IPC not translating to the gaming performance much and the high power usage. AMD outright put out their Zen3+ before 6 months into launch on the other hand citing a 15% gaming performance boost flat out. Note both will hit the market in the same time, Q1-2 2022.

Sadly Intel is really into this big little garbage, and all of these corporations want to push more filth of BGA trash use and throw garbage since it sells in high volume and more margins due to cheap trash for bottom barrel silicon and high cost cutting, inferior cooling, inferior power delivery, inferior OS stripping off it's entire PC philosophy.

As the below article clearly shows their true goal.

 

All safe choices until Q3 2022. I won't be upgrading for awhile...besides the new Threadripper.

 

That is awesome, congrats! For me, it would only be EVGA or Crosshair for another AMD buildout only after jumping through the X570 MSI hoops and liking the Gigabyte B550 BIOS better but not by much. MSI did give full access to primary and terts though so I was really able to dial in the memory. I know that Crosshair is going to kick it up a notch. I'll be most curious to see what level of granular control you're able to achieve on a per core basis to really dial in the multipliers as Crosshair is reportedly the best at it.

 

Thank you. From what I could sift from all of the brand-biased fanboy noise on the web, the Crosshair's manual overclocking prowess is why I selected it. What ultimately gave clarity to the selection is the HWBOT leaderboard. It's not an exact science since ASUS pays for a lot of the results with cherry-picked parts provided to select individuals with name recognition, but even going down the leaderboard away from the sub-zero results, where water cooling is prevalent, the Crosshair VIII seems to dominate the results.

Now I have to figure out where to put it. I hate the idea of selling the Z490 Dark, but it won't fit in the Neo Qube. The Crosshair will fit, but I do not like the positioning of the vertical GPU bracket (too close to the mobo). I suppose I could completely dismantle both systems and move the liquid cooling to the Corsair 5000D. Then again, the Neo Qube might be the best place for it. The easiest solution would be to leave the system alone (Neo Qube), bolt the Crosshair to the mobo tray in the 5000D, swap out the CPU waterblock, connect the PSU cables and be done with it. I can likely sell the Z490 Dark for $250-300 more than the Strix though. If I sell the Z490 Dark K|NGP|N with the 10900KF and Raystorm waterblock as a package deal, I'm sure I could fetch about $650 for it. Or, I could just put it back in the box and let it collect dust.

I suppose the third option would be to sell the whole system with the Neo Qube as is and use the money to buy a new case, RAM, PSU and GPU for the Z490 Dark setup. That might actually yield the greatest profit.

It will be nice to have something to tinker with to disrupt the monotony for a while.

The guy that bought the system last night was like a kid in a candy store. It was nice to see someone so excited about their first "real" computer. The hardware hoarding maniac inside of me hated to sell it.

 

I am sure you will be get a better price now, although the Z590 Dark is "out" but also out of stock. I still have my watercooled 5600X 2080 TI build that I've been trying to sell. I get offers of 1000 all the time but crypto is starting to go back up...so I'm sticking to my guns on the price.

 

How much XSPC EC6 Loop protect 30ML Biocide should I add to my water loop?

I have (3) 360MM radiators, D5 pump, and small 150ML reservoir.

I have searched everywhere. And I want the water to stay as clear as possible. And I hate to add too much of it.

I’ve already flushed the system, and didn’t pre mix it lol.

Should I just pour the whole 30ML in there?

 

What are you asking for it?

 

I would. It won't hurt anything if you have a little stronger mix. That would be better than too weak.

Ideally, I can sell the full system in the Neo Qube and use the money to buy the new parts to house the Dark mobo. I can actually have money left over that way. But, I am not going to budge on the price. I could most likely sell the Strix mobo and CPU for enough to buy a larger case and sell the Neo Qube on Craigslist, or even go back to using the Praxis Wetbench. I really kind of hate the idea of selling the Z490 Dark K|NGP|N mobo.

 

Depends on who is asking. I asking for 2000 due to the watercooling parts. The CPU is cooled by an AIO but the GPU is custom.

 

Your selling the Z490 Dark? What’s this about? Lol.

 

I haven't decided. It depends on what happens next. I just sold a desktop and have two left. (Shown in my signature.) I just purchased a 5950X and Crosshair VIII Hero mobo. I certainly don't need or have space for three systems. I will see if Banshee sells on Craigslist. If not, then I will decide what to do. The next easiest and most profitable thing financially, and my least desirable, is to sell the Dark mobo and one of the CPUs and just leave Banshee alone. If Banshee sells, then I will use the money to buy a case, PSU, RAM and GPU. I will put the Dark mobo in that and pocket the change. The third option is to use the cooling parts and GPU in Banshee, go back to the Praxis Wetbench (definitely not a bad thing other than dust) for the Dark mobo and sell the Neo Qube and Strix mobo/CPU combo. I can't really just pull the Strix mobo and replace it with the Dark because the E-ATX mobo will not fit. It would collide with the vertical radiator. If the Neo Qube were slightly larger, I'd just swap out the mobos and sell the Strix. It's about 2 inches shorter front to back than it needs to be.

The 5950X and mobo are arriving today. The OptimusPC Foundation block won't arrive until Saturday (gee, thanks USPS). I'll be in Chicago from Thursday until Sunday. I should have just picked up the Foundation block in person while in Chicago and saved the money wasted on USPS snail-speed delivery.

 

@Mr. Fox

Someone posted the 1000watt RTX3090KP Kingpin bios on Overclock.net.

Then another uploaded it to TPU lol...

I wonder how Vince is gonna take that.

Someone should let him know. He probably wants it removed. I don’t have his email address.

 

Some MSI B550 love:

 

Yep, 1th July and not 1th April the fools day. Dell and Alienware is the bellwether for the computing future as usual! Welcome to reality. Isn’t California Apples home place?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/bga-venting-thread.798775/page-283#post-11109293

 

This doesn't affect consoles according to that law. Is this an indirect tax on Nvidia? AMD makes the cpu/gpu for Sony/Microsoft/Valve.

 

Consoles will be next You have to start one place. Pre-built desktops and laptops from the OEM first. DIY is more difficult to regulate. But the rest will come afterwards...


Thin, more power efficient and more castrated than it has to be (both desktop and laptops) is the future.



And with more powerful iGPU we may see less need for power hogs as external graphics cards. iGPU have never taken so much space on the CPU's substrate vs the cores before...

 

Wind mills got politicized when the snap freeze came over Texas for about a week, no prep was made beforehand so they kinda umm froze, I believe the same thing happened to the pumping stations as well. Didnt help that it was already below freezing only to rain later.

"Phone cores to save the earth" lmao

I hate when things get boiled down to the level a 1st grader can understand. The world has a lot of gray in it, at times it can be disheartening and even frightening but its in that same gray space where all the interesting things occur.

 

Thanks. I mentioned it to him.

Code:

From: Mr. Fox
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 4:00 PM
To: Vince
Subject: RE: 3090 KINGPIN XOC BIOS

Hi Vince. I hope you are doing well.

It has come to my attention that someone has posted your 3090 XOC vBIOS on the web for public download. If you care, you may be able to ask for it to be removed.

A friend mentioned it here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/official-nbr-desktop-overclockers-lounge-laptop-owners-welcome-too.810490/page-1141#post-11109279 that he saw it posted at overclock.net and techpowerup forums.

Enjoy the rest of your week.

 

Now I am just waiting for the Optimus block. I might set it up in the 5000D for temporary use with a Corsair GTX H100i 240MM AIO (LOL) collecting dust in my spare parts before I leave for Chicago. If I have time.

 

This thing is fast! Memory is at like +1,800 and still moving forward. Anyways, I’m still squeezing a little more out of it.


http://www.3dmark.com/pr/1146464


She’s a little toasty though.

3090 Kingpin Hydro copper

Port royal.

(7980XE clocked down for cooler water)

 

That's awesome! Thumbs up!

Anyways, the individual who posted this to TPU earlier today, has just completely vanished. Almost like the cartel took him out or something lol.

Guys are literally running this bios on air cooled cards, hitting 100C lol. Not kidding either.

 

Yeah thats dumb, I view Kingpin cards as really just a starting kit lol

 

http://www.3dmark.com/pr/1146513


Little by little.

 

Nope. I don't have the correct AMD backplate thread size for the stand-off bolts. I even tried to use normal machine screws, but I don't have any of the correct thread size and pitch so I will have to wait until I have the OptimusPC block and do it when I get back home from Chicago.

 

Wow never thought you’d be rocking a 5950X! Very Nice setup.

 

So I have started over in Cyberpunk 2077, it’s been a while since I have played this game.

My 3090KP HC is at 2,144Mhz internal clock and 23,000Mhz on the memory, and custom voltages applied in Classified tool to obtain in game stability with these frequencies.

1.110 MSVDD
1.25 NVSSD
1.50 NFVSD

The 3090KP with these settings destroys my watercooled and overclocked 2080Ti.

50% improvement seems to be the minimum
here. These cards do so well in ray tracing.

It’s weird how enabling Ultra ray tracing to Psycho ray tracing on the 2080Ti would become a huge performance hit where it’s not even worth it. But on RTX3000 series, or on my 3090 it just doesn’t seem to phase it all that much.

 

Thank you. I do hope it turns out nice.

But, I know, right? Me neither. I have pinched myself a few times to confirm that I am not dreaming. And, I haven't even had a chance to run it yet. I honestly don't care about brand, only results. I go with what gives (or I have reason to believe will give) the best results in the manner that I want the results delivered. I am loyal to the results (benefits) I realize using products and services from companies that deliver a good experience to me. I love rewarding companies for their faithfulness and commitment to excellence (like EVGA). I am forgiving to fault when they are hit and miss, as long as they hit more often than miss. But, I am vindictive, biased and openly hateful toward companies when I have had multiple bad experiences due to their lousy products and/or services; making no apologies for adminstering merciless brutality with the intent of inflicting severe damage on their brand and reputation as repayment for their incompetence. I have had LOTS of VERY horrible ownership experiences with AMD products. They have received zero money, kindness or commendation from me for more than a decade.

A decade is a long time. There is an opportunity for redemption. They have served their sentence and now they are out on probation, LOL. The fact that I blew $1,300 on an AMD CPU and X570 mobo (an ASUS X570 mobo, no less,) should demonstrate that I am not a fanboy and I am open-minded if not very strongly opinionated. But, I am still pretty apprehensive right now and I hope that I am pleased with the outcome. Brother @ajc9988 probably will be shocked.