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The 11th gen 11900k is definitely a transitional Frankenchip between 14nm Coffee and 10nm Alder. I said it before and I'll say it again: the variance in silicon from IMC to heat and pull is pretty astounding.

 

We live in a really messed up, topsy-turvy situation for PC technology. Everything is a horrible value, with limited availability and a list of design defects, functional deficits and deliberately crafty shortcomings designed for a self-service, selfish industry dominated by greedy, dishonest bastards.

Sadly, I honestly believe that is never going to improve and merely get worse on an indefinite basis. The days of having excellent products available for purchase, at any price, are gone for good. Excellence is gone, and anything you might be willing to accept on an "is it what it is" basis is going to cost far more than what it is worth because value no longer exists and people are too willing to burn gobs of money on broken trash just because it is newer.

Thank God for rare exceptions to the norm. Jay touches on some of the things I am griping about with respect to the compromised garbage on offer. Whether I end up spending the money needed to acquire one or not, I love that X570 Dark mobo. The BIOS alone makes me want it. It is so awesome they stuck with their existing Intel BIOS layout and features for AMD. ASUS, eat your heart out... losers.

Factor in the XOC-focused hardware awesomeness and it seems like a to-die-for product. Probably the only one that exists for a Ryzen-based build.

 

I must admit I did queue up for the X570 Dark launch day. @Rage Set was right in that enthusiasts must reward companies that take a chance in markets they traditionally do not occupy. I do love EVGA's BIOS too. Slogging through this Gigabyte BIOS, it makes MSI BIOS look like EVGA.

 

I did, too. I am not looking forward to the expense. Hopefully, I will be able to sell the Crosshair for enough to cover at least 25-30% of the cost.

And, I check my email and *BOOM* excellent example to legitimize my complaint. PC tech sucks, apart from extremely rare samples to the contrary. We are surrounded by idiocy and people that love the suckiness of it all.

 

It’s amazing how 8 cores on the 11900K can beat 10 cores on a 10850K or 10900K. Just from IPC. I suppose you really don’t lose anything with 2 less cores. These CPU’s more or less perform equivalent to the 10 core parts in multithreaded.

So far I am running the cpu at 5.2 to 5.3Ghz with 1.482V. It runs pretty cool like this power consumption hasn’t exceeded 308 watts. The memory is at 3,100Mhz with CL9.


Memory bandwidth is 52GBPS and the latency is 46-47NS.

So even though it’s only 3,100Mhz it’s doing well otherwise. (Not so terrible)






On another note, I cannot get Gear 2 to run as fast. The most I can get on gear 2 is around 4267Mhz CL14-CL15 range. The latency is 54NS range. But the bandwidth is terrible at 34GBPS.

 

I'll chime in here. My 11900k IMC must have completed **** the bed. After a clean install of Windows the BSODs returned while gaming. I had to continue to up the VCCIO MEM and VCCSA to get some "stability". It was quite random, but in Warzone I was BSOD after minutes or hours.

I resinstalled my cherry 10900K last night and without issue I gamed for hours. No BSOD, no crashes, just worked flawlessly. I ran to Microcenter this morning when they opened and claimed my protection plan on the 11900K. I was offered a gift card for full purchase price or I could replace or exchange for any CPU. I originally was going to just refund and roll on the 10900K until 12900K launch maybe next month. But honestly in Warzone, will 5Ghz all core and 4000Mhz CL14 I could see and feel the difference in certain areas of the map. The 11900K just chugs along and keeps FPS high while the 10900K did as well but would hit certain areas and drop FPS significantly in comparison. Even on the desktop it just feels snappier and more fluid. The IPC uplift is real, and the latency issue is very overblown. There are plenty of overclockers that have low latency high bandwidth over on OC.net. This being my first real CPU failure from Intel, I am a bit worried about the lifespan of this chip and took the option for the warranty again. I even put money back in my pocket in the form of store credit for my 12900K. Either way I am up and running now on the new chip. SP76. My old one was SP83 but I'll see how it does in real world tests. I'm just glad it wasn't my board having issues.

Edit: Stock pulls around 193w package power in CB23 at 4.8Ghz during run.

3866Mhz Gear 1 is working! This chip is already better just because of that lol.

 

11900K IPC is very real, glad to see I wasn’t crazy. Because, I noticed the same thing! I could see the IPC difference in gaming, and on the desktop too. The 11900K is lightning fast. You lose nothing at all. These 8 cores will do exactly what 10 cores can do.


That single threaded is an actual real world difference that you can see and feel.

 

@electrosoft

So I have dialed this 11900K in pretty well.

I run 5.3Ghz on (4) cores and 5.2Ghz on the other (4) cores.

I have 1.520V set in the bios, with +25% additional Vdroop set.

It’s solid performing at SUB 2,700 in R15. R23 passes just fine, as well as R20.


Load voltage reported is around 1.450-1.458 reported from the motherboard.

What can your chip do at 5.2 all core?

 

It worked!

 

This one will do 5.3 @ 1.4v all core CB23 loop for however long and RB 2.56 stress test no problem but that was on my old MSI board which required much more power even at stock so I'll end up retesting with this gigabyte to see if I can drive that down lower even though at 5.3 all core CB23 temps stayed <80 even on an AIO.

I think I posted a pic of this chip doing 5.3 all core 1.4v on this thread when I got it a few months back.

 

First thing I noticed that went away switching to 11th gen was those sudden, odd laggy lows I would sometimes get in WoW especially in raids which are CPU intensive. The one clear strength of the 11th gen are the superior 1% and .01% lows in games.

 

SP76 + 3866 IMC > SP83 + 3733 IMC IMHO.

Especially when you dial in a daily frequency that is the same across both.

Stock what did your SP83 pull for CB23?

 

So yeah. The Amazon order on the 10900K tray model cancelled all by it self due to needing a payment update. So I bought a Z590 Dark! I really want to know what this cpu is capable of memory wise. Unfortunately I can’t do that on the Z490 Dark.

 

This is my nemesis in playing rust. I’ll be getting 150FPS. And out of no where it drops to 85FPS or maybe even 70FPS. I can’t stand it.

Totally gone with even a bone stock 11900K. Only some games do this anyways. Usually the games that cannot use a lot of cores equally. And they like to max out those couple cores to 100%

I play rust a lot, I have around 500 hours in it so far. The 11900K has been the only CPU that runs this game properly for me. Something so useable has made it very hard to go back to a 10900K.


This was exactly what made me buy a Z590 Dark motherboard. At least now I’ll be able to overclock my memory in Gear 1 mode, or at least run the native 3200 Gear 1.

I hope my IMC can do 3733-3866 range. But I’m ok with 3600. If this CPU turns out to be a terrible sample, then I’m gonna exchange it.

 

Did you try disabling hyperthreading in the BIOS or setting affinity on the game executable? It might be better for no reason other than having 4 fewer threads. Most games do not work particularly well with higher core counts and start to not utilize the CPU properly if you have more than 6 to 8 hyperthreaded cores.

 

Yep, and the trend will continue... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...and-liquid-metal.806840/page-75#post-11120201

<Yep, this is quite common in today's tech (dishonest and/or want to please the {noobs} average Joe with an easier application - the thin trend)>

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SiSoftware Compiles Early Performance Preview of the Intel Core i9-12900K techpowerup.com

It's not every day that a software company that specializes in benchmarking software decides to compile the performance data of unreleased products found in their online database, but this is what SiSoftware just did for the Intel Core i9-12900K. So far, it's a limited set of tests that have been run on the CPU and what we're looking at here is a set of task specific benchmarks. SiSoftware doesn't provide any system details, so take these numbers for what they are.

The benchmarks consist of three categories, Vector SIMD Native, Cryptographic Native and Financial Analysis Native. Not all tests have been run on the Core i9-12900K and SiSoftware themselves admit that they don't have enough data points to draw any final conclusions. Unlike other supposedly leaked benchmark figures, the Core i9-12900K doesn't look like a clear winner here, as it barely beats the AMD Ryzen 9 5900X in some tests, while it's beaten by it and even the Core i9-11900K in other tests. It should be noted that the Core i9-11900K does use AVX512 where supported which gives it a performance advantage to the other CPUs in some tests. We'll let you make up your own mind here, but one thing is certain, we're going to have to wait for proper reviews before the race is over and a winner is crowned.

Sources: SiSoftware, via @TUM_APISAK

 

I’m excited for this Z590 Dark Motherboard to arrive!! It matches my 3090 Kingpin Hydro Copper incredibly well.

I have always loved the way this board looked. And I really just needed a solid excuse to buy one.

Evga failed to include the “VCCIO AUX” as an existing voltage item in the bios update for Z490 Dark KP 2.01 Rocket lake 11th Gen CPU’s.

This option circled in red is totally missing on my Z490 Dark KP W/ Rocket Lake bios. Which is exactly why I am struggling so badly to get any memory speeds beyond 3,100 Gear 1/ Or 4267 Gear 2.


Anyways, this Z590 looks awesome. I guess Evga is using this new styling with all future boards. The X570 Dark looks very very similar. I love the massive VRM copper heatsinks, and the large flat black chipset/m.2 heatsink. This motherboard appears even wider than the Z490 Dark. However, I’m not certain of that.. The Evga X570 Dark is probably one of the nicest looking boards I have seen. And the Z590 Dark is a very close 2nd.

 

You definitely need access to those voltages if you want to push the memory, especially in Gear 1. It's interesting how EVGA just abandoned Z490 for 11th gen. I would personally reach out to them and ask for them to expose those voltage controls and better support for 11th gen after paying so much for that Z490 in the first place. Every other OEM provided updates and 11th gen was running flawlessly on my Z490 Asus board.

 

Getting close to that top 10 HOF Skydiver - I think this card can do it, unless I'll introduce my 6900 XTU card into the mix.

https://www.3dmark.com/sd/6258566

 

Gained an extra 1000 points in TS with the MPT on this 6800 XT. From 19000 to 20000. Not a bad tool at all.

https://hwbot.org/submission/4824668_rageset_3dmark___time_spy_radeon_rx_6800_xt_20065_marks

 

Apparently EVGA X570 DARK dropped USB-C 20gbps (usb 3.2 gen 2x2) port feature (as per EVGA folks). It's 10gbps only, usb3.1 gen 2 (marketing materials show it as 20gbps speed). Z590 DARK got 20gbps this is about rear I/O btw.

I wonder what was the reason to do so... AMD X570 chipset and Ryzen 5000 processors, they have insane I/O one thing that RKL misses out vs X570 is direct USB ports from CPU and do not choke the PCH/Chipset link speed, even if AMD has PCIe4.0x4. Intel 11th gen got DMI 3.0x8 which is basically same as AMD but still with a good amount of storage and I/O the link will get choked of bandwidth

(Side note - And possibly these CPU only USB ports exhibit the USB drop outs ?, iirc X570 chipset ones do not, please correct if I'm wrong @electrosoft )

So EVGA is deliberately not going with those CPU direct USB on this motherboard I presume to avoid the USB issue ? Just a random guess. Looking at X570 DARK rear I/O it's just 2xUSB3.0 ports and 4xUSB type-A 10gbps (usb3.1 gen2) and 1xUSB-C 10gbps (usb3.1 gen2). Meanwhile MSI X570S Ace Max (this board also packs 8xSATA, like X570 DARK but gets that USB 20gbps too with ASMedia controller and removes one LAN port vs 2 on DARK) & ASUS both companies have 12 ports on their boards, matches AMD specs.

Spoiler: X570 Block diagram

 

That is entirely possible. The only times I have any USB drop-out problem with my mobo is when I have the CPU under severe stress and a heavy overclock, like Cinebench or wPrime 1024m. It does not happen during normal use with the exception of when I am powering on the system. Sometimes I can't get into the BIOS or select the OS in my multi-boot system. More annoying than that issue is that I can almost never turn my system on after it is turned off all night. I have to turn the PSU off and on again before it will power on, and it won't properly enter POST until I turn the PSU on and off a second time. The mobo just shows 0B Q-code. Once it does boot I have to press F1 to enter the BIOS, then F10 to save and exit. No need to alter any settings, just jump through these annoying hoops. Then everything is back to normal. This happens almost every time it has been turned off.

Sometimes when running an abnormally stressful CPU load the keyboard and mouse disconnect and my external USB HDD that I use to for storage to dump large files like programs and drivers on drops out. When the stress ends they usually reconnect. Thankfully, it does not happen all the time, just randomly. If I were to guess maybe a few times every week, but not daily or more frequently. It is still crazy annoying and it sucks that AMD released a product with such a glaring defect and hasn't fixed it. The behavior seems almost like power to the ports is disconnected. So, maybe EVGA actually knows something about the situation and intentionally omitted a flawed "feature" so it does not become a source of irritation.

Nice run, bro. What is the "MPT" tool you mention?

 

More Power Tool, software to allow more power allowance, among other changes to the card on a software level.

You can also import MPT profiles into cards that dont check for signed vBIOS's which from my understanding is all of them except for Gigabyte and Asus cards.

This can also be done with Red Bios Editor or RBE for short. RBE and MPT are what allow for customization and tailored performance profiles for AMD side of things. I use them with my AMD 5700 XT's and AMDmemorytweak for my Vega 56's which allow for the same level of performance for what I do with them.

 

Thought I'd drop this as a sneak peek here.

https://hwbot.org/submission/4824734_

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler

 

I'll truly start laughing if by the time you actually retire that system some enthusiasts with too much time on their hands figure out a way to install another 4c/8t CPU in the unused MXM slot lmao

 

Good job! Best enthusiast platform AW made.

 

You know what time it is

 

Funny you mention that lol

@UltraGSM was testing a 6th-9th gen cpu (forgot which one) on a custom substrate that converts the pins. I believe it did not work but he knows better than me what happen.

He also will be testing a gtx 1080 for us in his m18x r2.

Agreed. To think it would be running a ray tracing gpu, nvme ssd, and wi-fi 6e shows just how good all those standards were back then.

Nice to see you btw

 

Next upgrade is an eDP display ?
I believe it's possible like on Thinkpad X230 where they solder a flex pcb and some wire, it just needs to be designed . However I'm not sure if a good 1080p 120Hz is available in 18.4" size, I know there is 4k display available in 18.4".

 

The stock display is pretty good especially after calibration. I have mine OC to 80Hz, it can hit up to 85Hz which is pretty smooth.

@Rengsey R. H. Jr. had a 4K 18.4" display I believe but didn't fit in the bezel. flex pcb with eDP support would be awesome but so far no one has bought/made one for m18x.

 

Thanks for the trip down memory lane. When that P2 was new my 5 kids were all in elementary school. Now I have grandchildren in elementary school. I built at least a dozen desktops with that slotted P2 socket. Back then I had a side business building and repairing computers, doing network admin, etc., to help keep the kids happy and well-fed. Four of the five are boys, so it was like feeding a pack of hungry wolves. But, they were foxes.

 

Thank you. I had not heard of it since I haven't touched a Radeon GPU since the nightmares I had with 7970. That was when I officially washed my hands and vowed to never touch the defective garbage from Team Red ever again.

But, I do remember RBE. I did some pretty interesting stuff with RBE on the AW M17xR2 and M18xR1/R2 until ATI got destroyed by AMD. It wasn't long after that that Dell followed suit in destroying Alienware. Looks like my best score with 6990M CrossFried is still in the top 20 for that GPU, LOL...

3DMark 11 - 8092 with AMD Radeon HD 6970M / 6990M(2x) - October 17, 2011

My, how things have changed. I remember thinking I was hot stuff with a 128GB Crucial M4 SATA SSD. It was cutting edge technology. And, who could imagine using more than 128GB of drive space back then? Some people said it was "excessive" that I had two of them in RAID0. Now I won't purchase an SSD or NVMe drive with less than 1TB of space, and I look for 128GB in a USB flash drive, LOL.

 

ASUS X570 CROSSHAIR HERO HIGH PCH TEMPERATURE | ROG FORUM

My reply to OP:
Thank you for starting this thread. Considering how long ago it was, and further considering they've done NOTHING to address their defective design speaks volumes about what a lame outfit they are. They have had ample time to do something and haven't. They don't care.

I can hardly wait to get my hands on the EVGA X570 Dark. I swore I would never buy another ASUS product again, but like an idiot, here I am with a Crosshair mobo. Coming back to ASUS because I didn't like the other X570 options at the time of purchase, I am reminded of why I wrote them off. After having nothing but great experiences with X299 Dark and Z490 Dark motherboards, the bar was set very high and the Crosshair is pretty lame in comparison.

ASUS sucks by nearly every measurement. They used to make good products and were the masters of BIOS excellence. They cut corners everywhere now, their high-end motherboards are unreliable, prone to failure, and their warranty service is absolutely atrocious. In contrast, EVGA is a joy to work with. Their products are rock solid and they treat customers as one would expect a company that cares about the people that buy their products would. They offer advanced RMA and cross-ship replacement products when you have a problem. With ASUS, they leave things broken and look for excuses to blame customers for defects rather than resolving issues with their defective products.

There is no excuse for the shoddy design of the PCH cooler on my Crosshair VIII Hero. Whoever designed it clearly either did not care or had no idea what they were doing. I already took the heat sink off and put a GELID thermal pad in place of the original, with a thin layer of paste on each side and the PCH temperatures are unchanged. It was a waste of time because the fan and heat sink are poorly designed and ineffective. I also have to turn the PSU off and back on to get my system to POST every time the system is powered off. Defective junk is what their brand stands for, and it is very sad. They used to be awesome.

 

Took 2nd place on the bot with my 6800 XT TSE run. 1st place is going to be difficult to tackle. He's running his 5950X at 5.0.

https://hwbot.org/submission/4825179_

 

Congratulations, bro. That's a great score.

I am going to hang onto the OptimusPC Foundation block in case I move to an X570 Dark. I will need it if I do. But, I am happy to report the load temps are basically identical. Nothing lost and nothing gained. Maybe EKWB had to get their cooling engine act together when OptimusPC put the hurt on them by offering superior products. I'm glad it wasn't a waste of money (as in worse temps). It looks very nice and it is kind of cool to see how hard the water is blasting through the monoblock fins. You can actually see the severe turbulence of the water shooting out each side of the fins very clearly. Who needs a flow indicator with that? LOL.

The VRMs are about 5-6°C cooler. Should I need to sell the Crosshair VIII to help offset the profuse financial hemorrhaging if I go with the Dark mobo, perhaps including the monoblock will make it easier to sell.

EK-Quantum Momentum ROG Crosshair VIII Hero D-RGB - Plexi

 

I considered it. But it takes a few days for them to get back to me. Having a new bios made just for me seemed like a large request.


Anyways, With 12900K around the corner. I just wanted a proper working platform. This 11900K is an undercover beast of a CPU! I wanted to unleash full potential. Plus, I’m trying to test my CPU and see if it is a potential long term candidate. (Good silicon or not) and this motherboard is simply preventing any possibility of that at all because I cannot test the strength of my IMC.

 

That looks awesome!!

 

I will say this! You should never judge a book by its cover. Me and my older brother would hate on the 11900K pretty bad. We thought it was just silly. Once you do actually get hands on with one though, it’s literally an amazing CPU. Intel wanted to get back on top in gaming performance. And they finally released a product that was capable of that. And gaming performance is exactly where this chip shines!

I never thought that I would like this thing. And I only gave it a chance, mostly because how ridiculously strange it was. I wanted to see what it was all about. Because if you read actual reviews they are all good. VS. internet reviews they are mediocre at best and most are bad.

The 11900K is really a beast under cover though. Stock vs stock it provides an easy 20% higher frame rate over a 10900K in flight simulator. The same can be said for other titles I play, that highly depend on only a few cores at once.


Now I understand why @electrosoft was wanting to put a “Golden sample version” one of these in a X170 so badly. Because just stock this CPU has a very very aggressive boosting algorithm in place. It doesn’t need an OC at all. Intel seems to have finally learned from what AMD has been doing with Ryzen. However, you’ve got some juice in the tank for heavy tubing too.


I can say this, this is really an amazing gaming CPU!! And my system is actually gimped, so I’m ready for full capability.








PS: I run a pretty aggressive OC on this 11900K. I’m a little heavy on the voltage. But 5.4Ghz on (3) cores, 5.3Ghz on (6) cores, and 5.1Ghz on (8) cores. Auto voltage with some heavy vdroop going on.


5.2Ghz all core is an easy OC for this chip. But, it hits the plateau past 5.1Ghz all core, where it requires heavy voltage for an all core load. While 5.1Ghz all core can get by with just 1.380V. While 5.2Ghz all core needs 1.500V.

At 5.1 Ghz all core it’s faster than a 10900K in multithreaded loads. So this seems to be the sweet spot.


if the IMC proves to be good I will keep it. However, if it’s just average, I am gonna exchange this cpu in search for better silicon.



CPU-Z single threaded test.

 

@Mr. Fox


Did you contact Optimus to tell them which color you want your 3090 Kingoin block to be in? They announced their coloring options last week.

 

Cinebench R20 are trolling with Jayz I wonder how the outcome would become with AMD Ryzen chips.

12900K the next single core/thread King. I expect AMD will struggle to take the single core crown the coming year from Intel but they will certainly take the multi-core crown with an 6000 series Ryzen chips. The 5950x is on par in multi-thread benchmarks.

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-c...yzen-9-5950x-in-cpu-z-single-thread-benchmark

 

Yes I did. Matte black with the nickel finish on the cold plate.

If you are happy with it, that is great. That's what matters most. It's cool that it does better in games since you are really into that, too.

For me, it's really all about overclocking the living daylights out of it and getting the highest benchmarks score possible in the class that I am participating in so I can move up in rank on the leaderboard. IPC certainly helps a lot with improving benchmark scores, but it needs abnormally high core clocks to go with the IPC to put distance between yourself and those you are competing with. It is hard enough to do that with the 5950X (which is very disappointing) and it seems like I would not be very happy with an 11900K from everything I have seen so far. It wouldn't matter a great deal to me that it play games a lot smoother simply because I don't play games very often. If I did, I am sure it would matter a lot to me.

They did it for me when I asked they to unlock a menu item. It took a few days, but I have seen them do it for a couple of other customers that asked.

 

Well I feel pretty stupid..I should have asked Evga first I suppose…. Such a request seemed like such a long shot lol.


Oh well, the Z490 Dark KP is going to a new owner.

Z590 Dark in-route lol.

 

I was able to tweak my brothers 10850K to Ryzen IPC levels using a good per core overclock with the Evga Fleet software. I could get 650 single thread on just a 10850K. Now, this particular 10850K is actually turned out to be pretty good 10850K. Probably better than some 10900K’s.

However, going to the 11900K showed amazing results in real world usage, games, etc.

The bump from 640-650 range to 740-750 range was very noticeable. So essentially the 12900K is going to offer that all over again.


This is the 10850K in CPU-Z testing. Apparently these chips have worse silicon.

But I’m not so sure.

 

Dang. I kind of wish that I had kept that setup I sold you now instead of blowing about $1500 on a 5950X and X570 mobo. Oh well. It is what it is.

Yes, 10850K is a bad chip. I would have recommended that your brother avoid it and spend a few extra bucks on a 10900K or 10900KF. If you can get a 10850K to run stable 5.0GHz on all cores without really high voltage and the memory to run 4000 CL17 it is rare. I think they take all of the chips that are less than 10900K standards and sell them as 10850K.

 

Edit

 

Oh this 10850K was incredible. It ran 5.2Ghz all core with 1.399V. I had the IMC at 4700Mhz.


It was beating a 5950X in CPU-Z single threaded. (That was a fast 10850K lol)


Honestly this 10850K is good! I swear it was nearly just as good as the 10900K I got from you. Which was 1.365V at 5.2Ghz

 

You'll need an oc near 5.8GHz on the 10850K to match single core/thread scores vs. stock 5950X. Cpu-Z benchmark isn't reliable or a benchmark you should trust too much on Remember you have to catch up with the much higher IPC.


https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_9_5900x_and_5950x_review,9.html


Report: Intel Alder Lake-S to Launch on November 4th techpowerup.com | Today, 12:28

Videocardz today reported on one of the fundamental questions regarding Intel's upcoming Alder Lake: its release date. According to the publication, and citing industry sources, Intel is planning to launch Alder Lake-S come November 4th, 2021. The 12th Gen family of Intel core processors can not come soon enough for the blue giant, who sees itself embattled against the David-like rise of AMD via its Zen architecture. Especially if they do materialize with a 27% single-thread performance improvement over Zen 3.

The release date was first originally referenced by an MSI press release regarding the availability of an upgrade kit for its MAG Coreliquid K and MPG Coreliquid X - both AIO solutions will require new mounting mechanisms for Alder Lake's LGA 1700 socket, and their release is pegged to November 4th as well - this prompted the industry insider sources to confirm the release date. According to WCCFTech, the actual release timeline for the announcement and pre-orders is set for October 27th, whilst the actual product launch and review embargo lifts on November 4th, which is the market availability date.

 

Hey! I said (CPU-Z lol)

 

Yep, and I said you shouldn’t trust it

 

Thanks, It's really unfortunate to see that USB thing again on your rig. That power-up PSU thing sound really a massive headache...wonder what's the reason for that behavior. May I ask why not go for Crosshair VIII Dark Hero for the Chipset thermals as it's passively cooled ? I think by the time you switched to X570 the Dark Hero was available, it has extra VRMs added and passively cooled chipset vs the regular C8 plus IIRC it had OOTB BIOS support for Vermeer, Ryzen 5000 refresh.

Coming back to EVGA, just checked the manual and confirmed from folks as well, the X570 DARK has all rear I/O from chipset only. There are however USB ports from CPU, USB3.1 front panel connector and USB-C front panel connector are from CPU. Those ports are the ones to check for the USB stability on this board. So overall they also dropped a USB 2.0 header from the board vs Z590 DARK (total 3 on Z590 vs 2 on X570). I'm pretty sure they did all these changes for the USB fallout in mind, otherwise no reason to drop USB-C 20gbps port (ASMedia controller based) on the Z590 DARK rear as per their original plans to an X570 chipset based USB-C 10gbps port and USB2.0 header on the motherboard, overall reducing the I/O and bandwidth of USB options & DP, HDMI (latter 2 are removed). Only time will tell us.

Also the X570 board CMOS battery compartment design is fixed on this, as in the PCIex4 length open-ended connector can utilize the full GPUs, without touching the CMOS, this design issue was present on Z590 DARK. Note - The U.2 connector SFF-8643 from chipset is dropped as well vs Z590 DARK, they really could have added that along with another M.2 as both share lanes on Z590 DARK. That U.2 as per their manual states, "provides NVMe PCIex4 (3.0) lanes to the 2.5" SATA SSD to address potential heating problems that may be present in some M.2 solutions", that was a neat thing tbh, probably PCIe 3.0 (Z590) to 4.0 (X570) and other challenges.

Small info, the board is wider. As it's clearly evident on the right power connector area, not sure what extra they added on board from a quick visual inspection, as the VRMs are infact reduced vs Z590 DARK. Probably AM4 design guidelines I guess for the PGA socket mounting and etc.