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The M1 is a great chip. Apple finally offered something good enough for practical usage. I use it for simple stuff. But I have pushed it hard with great results. I like that it never throttles when it is unplugged. Whether I’m at 100% battery or 10% battery, and it doesn’t heat up or make noise at all under normal or even moderate loads. It’s always silent and cold to the touch. Thin and light machine that gets tossed around the house most of the time.

The only reason I purchased the M1 was because I was never really satisfied with PC laptops. And it is the simplest feature anyone could imagine. PC laptops must be plugged in for any actual performance advantage. Most laptops get warm, throttle down the clocks immediately after unplugging it, and start draining the battery very quickly as they’re burning up on your laptop.

Even the 8GB of ram M1 is like a super book. I’ve pushed like 25GB of ram usage on one perfectly smooth. (You wouldn’t think it’s an 8GB machine)


I can’t imagine what a higher power M1 is gonna be like.

 

Nvidia found out that 10GB vram wasn't enough for their virtual 3080 graphics cards, LOOL

Can't buy an RTX 3080? Now you can play on one with GeForce Now pcworld.com

Nvidia's new RTX 3080 subscription tier for GeForce Now adds the super-powerful GPU along with other nice perks like 1440p resolution, 120Hz streams.

The Superpod 3080s come with 24GB of VRAM, compared to the 10GB of GDDR6X found in the proper graphics cards.

 

I'm very interested in what Apple will be offering with their custom silicon going forward.

If their advances push the PC market to ARM based processors that perform similarly to our current x86 based ones, I'll be very happy. An ASIC conglomerate is the way to go to increase performance further in the coming years. Welcome to Rise Of The ASICs.

I've always wanted a gaming laptop that both performs the same on battery power as when plugged into a wall outlet and gives me multiple hours of runtime while gaming. This is gonna be an awesome future.

 

24GB of Vram should be good for a while.

 

That score is in line with a stock 3070ti and better than a stock 2080ti. I see @Papusan gave clarity to the issue as always.

I did see my first slight frame dip in Ardenweald with the 3070ti.....

 

I doubt ARM can replace x86 at the moment, it's not like Apple is having free reign and innovating something out of space. Their A series processors vs SD counterparts on Android do the same work in same time. Keeping those Anandtech SPEC benchmarks aside, I do not see any improvement on A series processors vs Android top SKUs. Anandtech's Andrei says iOS wastes time during OS transitions so that's one cause I call it bs. When I see the Android phone and iPhone do the same thing and same time I do not see the massive boost these guys benches show. Esp when opening an Application, closing it and followed by the other Application the usual dumb youtube speed test, SD processors despite cheaper to make vs A series do work exactly like latter.

Take x86 processors for example similar work examples, a Blender workload throw it on both Zen 3 and Intel, Zen 3 will finish it fast. Encode / Decode same again. That doesn't happen in smartphone arena that benchmarks show it's only for a few select workloads. Apple claims their CPUs A series and M1 specifically do decode and encode faster than x86 yeah true how ? ARM processors have dedicated blocks to compute the code, that's how and Apple customizes the cache to be faster and core to . While x86 has to go through their whole pipelines and rely on their brute speed of IPC and Clocks. That's the key reason why Apple loves to tout their BS Final Cut Pro which all e-celeb Youtubers use. When it comes to professional like Quadro they can't do squat. WETA digital, ILM studios all use big render farms (unfortunately now they all seem to switch to Amazon EC2 and Nvidia as a service IaaS / Private clouds... still x86 and not Apple junk) to create the CGI they might use Apple for basic content art but not at that high level of professional workloads.

Now Server Datacenter processors. All of the Custom ARM processors and standard ARM including those new NeoverseN1 (think like Cortex A77 etc type family) design by Ampere's Altra 80Cores CPU use only Big cores, there's no biglittle bs concept there. Nobody likes that because I guess VMWare and other software with their per core based licensing and other shenanigans. And ARM processors had to cram 80 big cores or 120 big cores to beat the x86 processors with much lower core count. And they do not have SMT while x86 designs have. I certainly am not into the hardware VLSI design but just my observations.

I just hate ARM much more because of the locked down Software stack and being BGA junk mostly. Everything on Android to work is needed from the chipmaker else the SoC won't work at all on a given OS without the blobs, which are like closed packages the HW wont simply work a patchwork can be made but it will be garbage. Maybe we can call them drivers but it's more lower than drivers I guess. This is the reason why Android phones do not get software updates, as the vendors block releasing these blobs completely EOLing the old hardware forcing yearly refreshes. While x86 processors, nothing. Load a new OS from 2021 onto a 2008 chip, it works.

Best example are Games, they use AVX instructions and SSE, after Core2Quad there were more SSE improvements. Most of the games need them, like SSE v4 and up Core2Quad Q6600 despite being much faster than the junk Jaguar cores in the PS4 and XB1 they cannot run new games, but guess what ? A cracked exe of a game modified can make a game, a full game execute on those CPUs. That sort of insane backwards compatibility exists on x86 platform from HW SW and ecosystem as a whole...

Apple on the other hand killed 32bit code completely on their OS and HW. Impossible to run old programs, Windows also following same path Win11 - VBS, TPM, Secure Boot, UEFI only, make sure that HW is EOLed so fast that people will keep buying their Surface Trash and other BGA trash every year. Sad times I feel. ARM v9 in the future is also following same Apple path. 32bit will be deleted from ARM completely, they just remove the IP block from the Core design and bam. It's dead. So future Android sets with those new designs are not going to run old code anymore.

Ultimately I like backwards compatibility more than anything as it preserves a lot of things, esp Digitally where everything around us Humans is 1s and 0s. I can run my 2013 HW PC today and execute 2021 code and get a good acceptable performance. I don't think any ARM product or any damn Apple junk can do that. Even those folks who run Homeservers with Xeon processors in their home, damn old CPUs outdated ? yea but not useless they do lot of solid encoding and decoding for PLEX, website etc. This is not possible with Apple trash hardware, all closed down locked down nothing accessible at all. They do not even contribute anything to the world, Google despite being evil they open source a ton of stuff. Apple only takes money like a leech.

Anyways I digress...one last thing I want to mention is AMDs Xilinix FPGA. A fully customizable blocks on the side of x86 core processors will make a superb CPU of the future. All this is the reason why I want Zen 4 to succeed and crush competition. A full fat x86 core beast is coming. Genoa EPYC is rumored at whopping 96 Cores 192 Threads with 12 Channel DDR5 interface.

 

It seems you'll have to pay premium ($70 and up to $130) extra for those fused in efficiency cores (the baby cores) vs 11th gen 8 cores Intel chips. Chip shortage - supply/demand balance also play in here, but $130 USD extra on top for 8 small E-cores is a bit on the high side vs i9-11900K. Still cheaper than AMD's best Ryzen chips. And not to forget, you'll get the iGPU on chips if you lack money after the investment or can't find newer Nvidia/AMD graphics cards for a normal price. Worth its weight in Gold for gamer jockey's

Intel Core i9-12900K to cost 669.99 USD according to MicroCenter videocardz.com : 22nd Oct 2021

Bro Fox. This one is for you Razer, leading the High-Performance PC Components Industry.

Razer Unveils Top-of-the-Line PC Components—Engineered for Enthusiasts

 

I looked here https://www.razer.com/pc/gaming-desktops-and-components and I am not seeing any high performance components. Only a bunch of RGB trash that doesn't make anything run better or faster. Maybe having RGB is the modern definition of "high performance" LOL. I guess looking good is what matters most now, eh?

Short version:

Long version:

 

Whenever I had my 3090 Kingpin apart a few months ago, I forgot to plug the RGB connector in. I might just have to tear it apart again for that FPS boost!

 

Don't have much time as I'm literally at school, but I managed to get CBR15 record with my G14. You all will see it on the bot soon, but here's my verification screenshot.

 

I'm currently in the process of removing the solder from my 10900K. I did not expect the quicksilver solder remover to have so much surface tension! It's like playing around with glue. This is fun.

I'm guessing the liquid metal will be the same way. With this much surface tension, I doubt it'll ever spill out as long as I don't apply too much.

 

Needed Win 7 for this one.

https://hwbot.org/submission/4839659_papusan_3dmark2000_geforce_gt_705_23826_marks?recalculate=true


https://hwbot.org/submission/483971...orce_gt_705_199.98_dx9_marks?recalculate=true


https://hwbot.org/submission/483972...rce_gt_705_180.13_dx11_marks?recalculate=true


All Norwegian flags outside one bench for GT 705 I need a screen with faster refresh rate to take 3DMark 99 Max Found a tweak



https://hwbot.org/submission/483974...x_geforce_gt_705_37792_marks?recalculate=true


Bro @Talon Look at this https://community.hwbot.org/topic/209487-talonnbr-xeon-e5-1660-v3-4700mhz-1860-cb-cinebench-r15/

 

Hopefully, the dull experience of using this utterly pathetic temporary substitute will be over by next weekend. The 9750H BGA joke CPU in my turdbook feels like a wonderful product compared to what a low-performance abortion the "unlocked desktop" 2600X represents.

 

Uhh... so I installed my 10900K after cleaning off the solder and applying the liquid metal, only to be greeted with a nice black screen.

The laptop isn't beeping, so I'm not sure what's up. I've never gotten a black screen from a simple CPU swap before. Any ideas on what's up? I really hope this CPU isn't dead, because I don't want to spend more money on another 10900K.

 

Just realized that I double posted on accident. I had some troubles when uploading the image, and it seems like the forum decided to create a second post for the picture, so sorry about that!

Was doing some more runs this morning and managed to hit 1957 without Benchmate and 1950 with Benchmate. I'll probably do some R20 runs and R23 Sunday evening as I'm quite busy, but I am quite impressed with my results and am looking forward to getting some more records

I may or may not have had to take the bottom panel off and use an external fan as to not thermal throttle







(I will try to get the CPU-Z tabs for the Benchmate one as I uploaded everything from Benchmate using the program, and I couldn't change the screenshot, I'll figure this out later.)

 

Remove the CPU, double check the pins and look at the bottom of the CPU to make sure there is no contact debris.

You do lose a fraction of Z-height when you remove the stim so it could be a socket pressure issue but unlikely

Double check with your old CPU to make sure it still boots.

Post pics of the CPU top and bottom and the socket.

 

Did you reset bios before you swapped chips?

And the X170 seems a bit fragile for changes (black screen is not uncommon). Check the Cpu as mentioned above then follow the steps here http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.831618/page-427#post-11078599

Next time, just run a new and post better bench If you forgot something in the screen-shoot Just save one more time (but before you send it to the bot and you have the bench up).

 

Stock vs +175 GPU + 1326 MEM 3070ti pulling 320w+ sliders maxed. Full 111% TDP Power draw. This is the most stable setting (I'll go back to stock for D2D).

Also as I OC'd those massive dips in GT1 and especiallty GT2 disappeared (but a nice bloop right before). When i get the time I'm going to swap in a Seasonic 1000w PSU I have in my test case just sitting there to double check as the dips only happen when both are taxed. I've been using an EVGA G2 850w out of sheer laziness and it has recently developed a bit of whine on its own.

No OC:



Most stable OC:

 

Thank you both for your help.

I tried a BIOS reset, but nothing happened, so I went ahead and reinsalled my 10600K. The laptop restarted a few twice and now boots.

As requested, here are pictures of my CPU and Socket:

Socket:

CPU bottom:


CPU Die:

 

You're 100% sure the Cpu worked before you got it? And what did you pay for it? Cheap come with a reason.

I would test it in an another pc (clean it properly before testing).

 

So it is definitely the chip.....

As @Papusan alluded to, who did you buy the chip from and were you able to test it at all on its own before installing in the X170SM-G?

One thing that struck me as odd was that it was delidded but the solder was left in place when you bought it. That didn't make any sense unless I read it wrong.

I would give the chip a complete cleaning top and bottom with iso , use standard thermal paste for a quick test under and over the hood, reseat and try again.

If it works, make sure to cover those contact points for protection, reapply LM and try again.

 

That made me suspicious as well. It wasn't usable that way, so it begs the question why.

 

This chipset driver helped quite a bit, but I have no doubt that there is some degree of "dirty pool" being played behind the scenes in terms of collusion between Intel and Micro$lop. The crappy 2600X was having the life sucked out of it by W11 and this driver update dramatically improved its already laughably poor performance.

 

@Ashtrix
Intel Alder Lake Mobility CPU Benchmarks Leaked: Faster Than The Apple M1 Max, Smokes AMD 5980HX, 11980HK
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...gger-apple-m1-max.837009/page-3#post-11125222

Apple love to use Geekbench as referance.

 

I bought it on ebay and paid $377.88 for this CPU. The seller said it was delidded and that it worked. Technically they were telling the truth in regards to the delid part, but usually "delid" means they went through the process of delidding, cleaning the solder, and applying the liquid metal. Their definition of a delid does not match up with what it's supposed to mean.

You are correct. The seller left the solder on, which I thought was weird too since it was supposed to be delidded. Technically it is delidded, but the seller didn't complete the process.

Unfortunately I'm way past the return window now, so I can't get a refund. I was expecting to get my laptop the same week as my CPU, which is why I bought the CPU when I did. I should've checked the CPU right when I got it, but I was going to pop it into my laptop to test it myself. Unfortunately I ended up having to wait an additional 2 and a half months after that before my laptop finally arrived, so I'm just getting to test it now. The seller said they had delidded the CPU and tested it, and they had a lot of good reviews, and I mean a LOT, so I thought they could be trusted.

Thanks for your help guys. I'm going to try and get this CPU to work, but if it really doesn't work at all, I'll just end up using the 10600K even though it wasn't the CPU I wanted. The 10600K that came with my laptop is a really crappy overclocker, which I expected since the 10900Ks have the high quality silicon.

Although I can afford another 10900K, I feel ripped off and tapped out, so I don't want to spend any more money. If the Premamod BIOS ever gets an update that allows me to pop in an 11900K, I may consider getting one because of it's amazing single core performance, which is what matters most in the majority of my use cases.

The lesson learned here is to get everything at once, and never trust delivery time window estimates. To be fair, this was a one-off experience and is not zTecpc's fault for the delay. They just had 2 defective motherboards in a row.

Also, check your stuff the day it arrives, not after you get all your parts. I hope this serves as a lesson to everyone reading this.

 

I am so sorry, brother @Clamibot that some icky person scammed you like that. It's also sad that enough time has passed that the worthless bastard is going to get away with it. That's just totally messed up and that kind of dishonesty is going to catch up to them eventually. What goes around comes around. But, you certainly deserved better than that. I hope that scumbag lose a $2,000 GPU in a power surge or water leak that isn't covered under warranty as repayment for his wickedness.

 

Didn't the Cpu come with no IHS? Add this to the not cleaned up die and the seller bough him some time (Calculated that it take some time to test it). This looks like Scam. But I hope it will work out for you in one or another way. At least you still have a working Cpu.

None (or very few) will go through the whole life without being hit in the face for their dishonesty.

 

Update:

IT CAME UP! Still dishonest marketing on the seller's part but the laptop FINALLY CAME UP!

To do this, I swapped both the RAM and CPU to give the laptop a swift kick in the butt. That seemed to do the trick.

Now I'm having a different issue. I can login to Windows, but the system freezes a few seconds after I reach my desktop. I'm not sure if Windows borked itself somehow or if it's a BIOS or CPU issue. I'll find out soon by monkeying around.

Thank you for your support Brother! I love how much support you show for the members of this community!

The CPU came with an IHS, but it was detached and was an IHS for a Celeron CPU of the same family. I'm glad I didn't do anything with my 10600K yet.

Also very true about what goes around comes around. Some manage to evade karma in this life, but most can't. For those who manage to, it will catch up to them in the next. The laws of justice must be fulfilled. Personally, I believe God makes sure of that, but whatever your beliefs, anyone with a brain can tell that there's both a moral and logical reason to do what's right. Life is just much easier and better when you do what's right. No need to constantly look over your shoulder.

Enough of my beliefs, that was a short tangent to this discussion. I will keep you guys updated on my progress. I may have in fact gotten lucky and received an actually working CPU from a scammer. Who knows, it's possible and I'd like to see the look on his/her face.

 

You have 180 days according to PayPal to file a claim. That is through PayPal though, not eBay.

 

Good news guys, it turns out the freezing wasn't a CPU or Windows issue. It was a BIOS setting issue and a RAM issue.

For some odd reason, 3200 MHz RAM is only stable in the slots underneath the bottom cover with the 10600K, but I had to move my memory to the slots underneath the keyboard for them to work with the 10900K just like brother @Terreos had to before he sold his X170SM-G. It's so weird and makes no sense, but that's what I had to do. Apparently the slots that fast memory is stable in changes with the CPU. Um, what?

So with the 10600K, you must use the 2 slots under the bottom cover if you install fast RAM. For the 10900K, you must use the 2 slots underneath the keyboard. I dunno what's up here.

Now I still need to push the 10900K hard to see if it still works. If it crashes on anything other than light loads, that's no good. We'll see if it's good like the seller said.

 

Hallelujah. That is great news. Wonderful.

 

Another update: disregard my previous post saying I had to swap the memory module positions for the 10900K. I found out the memory wasn't running at 3200 MHz in the slots under the keyboard. They were running at 2666 MHz. Upon applying the XMP profile, I was greeted with a black screen.

I swapped the memory back to the slots under the bottom cover. The memory was running at 2666 MHz again and the system freezes after logging in were back. I applied the XMP profile to have the RAM run at 3200 MHz, and now the system runs fine and the freezes are gone again. Can RAM running too slow cause instability?

Seems the motherboard in my X170SM-G is different than the one in Terreos's former X170SM-G. I do have in fact have to use the slots under the bottom cover for fast RAM, which is a relief because I feel like I'm going to break the keyboard whenever I take it off. It black screened before with the XMP profile applied when the memory was installed in the slots under the bottom cover because I set another setting that I probably shouldn't have messed with.

Also, now Intel XTU reports my CPU speed as -3.7 GHz with the 10900K installed when Throttlestop isn't running. My guess is that it's reporting the max flex ratio speed, but negative. It said -0.8 GHz with my 10600K installed, probably because the flex override ratio was 8 in the BIOS settings.

I did a cinebench R15 run and it seems to hold up. Now to do some overclocking and see how far I can push things, then onto games. Once the CPU passes all those tests, I'll know it's viable. The ultimate test is for longevity. I think I got very lucky here, but I should probably keep my 10600K around just in case. If the 10900K lasts 6 months, it'll probably last another decade after that. I think that's the time span for premature failures. You should be good once you get past that.

 

Running my CPU at 5.3 GHz all core makes for an extremely snappy system. It's so responsive an everything loads so fast, like holy crap!

How high should I be able to go in this laptop? It seems I can do 5 GHz across all cores in CB R15 before the laptop starts to thermal throttle. The CPU is pulling about 207 watts at this speed. I do want to find the absolute maximum single core speed I can run so I can have amazing performance in CPU bound games. This is all with the full copper IHS from Rockitcool and with liquid metal. I was hoping to do something crazy like 5.3 GHz all core on a 10900K in this laptop in CB R15.

It's stable in games. I think this CPU is viable. I'm getting really good results!

 

GTX 760

https://hwbot.org/submission/484047...tx_760_(256bit)_122601_marks?recalculate=true

 

I finally got fed up with the dust. I hope this helps to minimize the issue. This case has been for sale on Craigslist for at least 60 days with no interest except a couple low-ballers that wanted to steal it for a ludicrously low amount.

 

I warned you!

 

I totally forgot about that yellow wallpaper.

 

something has changed with the way payments are processed even through eBay. Any payments made go through eBay as the recipient and not the actual seller and eBay is the arbitrator and you agree to those terms when you buy and sell via eBay.

Before, as a buyer, if I bought something via PayPal on eBay it would go directly to the seller and appear on your credit card bill with a version of their seller name.

now all payments just say to eBay even via PayPal. eBay then pays out to sellers after deducting their seller fees AND PayPal fees.

eBay has complete control over the entire buy/sell chain now with a nice long list of terms you agree to as both.

That looks beautiful and yeah the low ballers get annoying after awhile.

"Price is firm"

"I know you said firm but could you maybe take (insert lowball here)"

I can't wait to see the Optimus WB on it.

 

A lot better than the disgusting wallpapers you get with Win 11. New doesn't mean better. Often much worse.

Nice case. Bigger the better

 

Glad to see everything is proceeding nicely. I would keep the 10600k around for warranty purposes just in case with the system unless ZtecPC is more flexible and doesn't require everything to be returned as sold.

It has been a week since I had the honor of meeting @Terreos and it is STILL sitting on the table in the box.
Going to finish sorting out this PSU / dips today and finish repairing the rear deck.

Hopefully get to it this week:

 

My best ever CB R15 scores from all the CPUs I've ever owned:



I edited the text files so CB R15 would show the clock speeds that each CPU was running at when I got these scores. I also did a quad core run on the 10600K and 10900K.

You guys are probably wondering why I didn't get higher than I did with my 7700K. Well I was a complete dingus at the time I got a motherboard for it since I didn't know I needed a Z270 motherboard to overclock it. I thought all motherboards could overclock an unlocked CPU at that time. Now I know better.

 

Thank you. It looks better than I expected it to. When I first powered it on I was actually kind of shocked by it. There are a couple of things I don't like about the case that probably would not be an issue at all if I were into air cooling. I am starting to get discouraged by how long that Optimus GP block is taking. I've even considered cancelling the order and getting a refund, but that crazy part of me keep winning the argument to wait for it.

I have no words to describe how repulsive the default aesthetics of Windoze 11 are to me, including the wallpaper. It is a close tie with Winduhs 8.X on the scale of "looks like ****" ugliness, and that OS set the bar very high for those that enjoy the ugly OS competition.

Thank you. It is a nice case. It is very well built and something the manufacturer can be proud to have their name on, but it is unacceptable to me because it is far too small. It needs to be at least 5 inches taller, 3 inches wider and 3 to 6 inches deeper to be a good choice for me. Everything I want to put in it fits if I am creative enough and I take time to figure out how to make it work, but I don't like working in cramped quarters, and I do not enjoy puzzles. It's definitely very cramped feeling and configuration options are extremely limited due to the small space.

I think later on I am going to replace it with either a 7000D Airflow or a Meshify 2 XL. I'm leaning toward the 7000D, but either one would be good. When I get to that point I will probably grab the one that costs less. Then I will try once more to sell the Qube. If it doesn't sell, I will probably just throw it away rather than have it taking up space in my closet.

 

Let her out! Let her breeeaaath!

I’m curious to see what you can do with it. I was very tame with it when I was over clocking it.

 

So I was able to get a 5.4 GHz quad core overclock going on my 10900K. It requires a 25mv overvolt. Keep in mind I never use static voltages and always use adaptive voltage mode. I know static is best for overclocking, but I don't like wasting power and having my CPU draw 30 watts or more when idle. I like my nice little 7 watt idle power draw on my 10900K.

Tha actual voltage I needed for this clock speed was 1.454v. Time to push for 5.5 GHz.


Also, does anyone know how to decouple the cache and core voltage offsets from each other? Whenever I set the core voltage offset, XTU increases the cache voltage offset by the same amount. This isn't the case on my desktop or my Alien, just this laptop.

 

It looks like there is still solder remaining on that 10900K’s die. I always recommend a plastic thermal paste applicator, it pulls the solder right off. Almost like it’s a razor blade. (No risk involved)

Edit: looks like you got it working! That’s fantastic. Maybe I will try my 10900K again too.


The silicon should look 100% perfect. If there is still solder remaining the die will look ugly and dull looking. It’ll almost look like a spotty primer paint job lol. Fritz polish takes it from a smooth primer looking finish on the die, to a full mirror finish.

This is my 10850K that I just delidded. This chip would run [email protected] all core R23 AVX (Before the delid)

I just figured I would share that Fritz polish is literally magical! (If you already used it, disregard my post here lol.)








^^^

That’s my really good 10850K this is a 5.3Ghz all-core chip. Its a golden sample for 10850K standards.

 

I did indeed remove all the solder and use the flitz polish to polish the CPU die. The die was as shiny as a mirror after I was done.

That picture I posted of the CPU die was after I applied liquid metal to it. I'm not sure if I did a good job though because there are a bunch of bumps on the surface where the liquid metal pooled together into tiny balls. Also I now see it's pretty blurry. I should've posted a better picture. How is an ideal liquid metal application supposed to look? Super smooth with no lumps?

 

I was aware and understand you already applied LM in the photo. However, It almost looks like there was remaining solder underneath the liquid metal. That was the only reason I mentioned it.

If it’s good it’s good. No worries.

 

Thanks for mentioning it still. This was my first time ever applying liquid metal and going through the process of cleaning up solder. I appreciate you double checking, which is a must for me because if I missed a step or did a shoddy job, I won't get the excellent results I'm expecting.

How much headroom does a good delidding job typically open up? I was expecting to do a sustained 5.3 GHz all core on my laptop, but thermals are getting in the way. I can do 5.1 GHz on all 10 cores, which is where I start thermal throttling. 5.3 GHz all core is possible, but only for short bursts.

 

So CPU performance wise the M1 Pro Max CB23 it is getting roughly what I was getting on my Dell XPS 9710 11800H (~1525 / ~12600) so that is promptly matched and exceeded by Intel and AMD mobile chips.

GPU wise, general purpose wise, it lands somewhere between a 3060 and 3070 mobile.

Massive improvements across the board in comparison to the previous Macbook Pro 16 but in comparison to PC laptops? Eh....

Of course the battery life and efficiency are lights out but still.



New Macbook benchmarks:







Jarrod's CB23 R23 list of CB23 results: