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I love how real numbers are like dumping a load of ice water on the hype train.

Nothing is ever as awesome as the media represents. Even when it is genuinely better, there is usually a lot of assumption, exaggeration and misinformation. Often intentional.

 

Exactly! Apple must've picked the benchmarks that make them look the best like that Aztec Ruins GFX bench. They're notorious for making graphs, but not specifying what the comparison scenario is. There must be some specific optimizations for the benches the M1 Max does best in that make it perform the best.

Now that the hype is being brought back down to Earth, this is still quite an achievement. Integrated graphics as powerful as dedicate graphics? Yes please! That is quite an achievement in of itself.

If gaming laptops and DTRs could have integrated graphics that powerful, that would yield a serious increase in battery life. As much as I love separating components to decrease repair costs, an SOC generally is more power efficient, and latency between components is decreased since they're all on the same chip.

 

The M1X is still monstrously powerful. My Apple M1 Air is good for 30FPS in most games. I can play Metro Exodus on it. That’s a pretty big deal. Integrated graphics, not plugged in, and it can handle it with no fans.

Go unplug the windows 10 machines and run the test again lol.

 

MacBook Pro With M1 Max Is Barely Faster Than Microsoft’s Surface Junk paired with Intel's El cheapo 4 core i7-11370H

And the damn fast new Apple graphics follow same paths...

Slower Than 100W Laptop RTX 3080, Barely Beats Low-Wattage RTX 3060 in Gaming Benchmarks
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...gger-apple-m1-max.837009/page-4#post-11125529

Why list PL1 ? Intel should scrap it or increase the TDP.

Is Intel getting the crowbar out after all? Alder Lake can now allow itself up to 241 watts ex works in PL1, but for what? igorslab.de

The old PL2 has become the new PL1 almost overnight. Maybe to try to compete with AMDs 16 real cores?

 

GFX Bench uses Apple Metal API. The same benchmark on an Nvidia GPU is OpenGL, not Direct X is the reason why NV HW doesn't perform well. Apple obviously is in green because Mac OS only has Metal API nothing else. It's their way or get lost type BS. So no one will notice, as so many are going to run GFX Bench only including Anandtech, I'd be surprised if Andrei runs a game benchmark on that notebook.

It's entertaining to see how their BS encode decode got slammed in that above tests granted those are higher power consuming laptops but it's beaten already by inferior trash - 3080 mobile, it's a 2080 class and it's crippled by lower RT cores and Tensor units, and worse node with BGA junk design and clockblocked with lower clocks, it's an abomination to be even worthy to called Ampere architecture. Nvidia and Corporations get away because 2080 mobile was also crippled trash, so the nuGamer boys will never care as long as their games run at acceptable frames.

Apple GPU is not integrated GPU class, it's a literal GPU core surrounded by CPU and other IP blocks plus it has a Unified LPDDR5 400GB/s bandwidth memory on top with TSMC 5N advantage. That's a very expensive processor to make which is why the M1Max costs over $3600. The die shot is not yet out but Apple's PR die shot which Anandtech uses seems legit to me.

Spoiler: Dieshots

As much as it's a technical feat on an ARM design due to their infinite budget for R&D which also works with their investors, and their Imagination technologies stolen design for their GPUs Apple poaches the companies hard nobody remembers, Imagination was exclusive for Apple after Samsung Hummingbird, Samsung Galaxy S i9000 processor which is an A4 because Samsung helped Apple to build it in iPhone 4 along with Jim Keller's help as well, Imagination tech later got bankrupt now taken over by a Chinese VC and in the meanwhile Apple got all they want from them and now they claim Apple designed BS, I would say good but as a platform of Apple's BS Utopian nightmare and BGA Junk nope.

You cannot even run any OS on that Trashbook Pro unless you get Parallels and all. Linux support is still in pending and why would I even buy a Notched BS laptop in the first place, I avoided all notched and holed phones I cannot convince myself to buy a dead pixel zoned phone / laptop. It's impossible for me personally and it actually shames people who used nice displays without any BS mutilation. Now XPS and all will copy Apple for sure. The laptop display market is going to get a Notch. And add all the usual anti repair BS which Apple loves to lobby for and tripod nonsense.

PC space had the option to get the battery life and performance but they do not use it, MUX switches. Most of the older Alienware PGA socket machines had that as many already owned them in the past and some still do A dGPU mode and an Optimus mode. M18x R2 can do a iGPU mode / SLI if a single GPU like P4000 or etc Optimus mode. MSI Barebone 16L3 a.k.a Eurocom F5 had the MUX switch too, instead of the performance hogging trash Optimus that was best solution. But since the DTR space perhaps do not care about the iGPUs the OEMs perhaps save money on the iGPU pipeline to the eDP ports of these machines and mobos, avoid traces ? Also add Nvidia certification and Intel etc for the iGPU and Optimus cancer thing...So it's sadly dead. With that an Intel LGA socket machine in a Clevo with a MUX switch with an MXM GPU would smash that Apple Soldered Lapjoke to hell. Unfortunately DTR space is razor small vs the BGA Gamerturd market Junktop space another issue...

 

I don't think crApple has ever done anything honestly or honorably. They steal technology from others (like China does) and then abuse the legal system to usurp rights they shouldn't have. Everything they sell is grossly overpriced garbage that is less than half as good as they make it out to be and they survive based on the bad decisions of their Kool-Aid drinking fanboys.

 

This is taking way too long, but it might be worth it. That RAM is looking good on the X570 Dark. 4000 CL12 and 1:1 on IF and 47.7ns on a Ryzen system with 4 sticks? Sign me up, but don't make me wait until AM5 is released.

https://forums.evga.com/m/tm.aspx?m=3469708&p=19

 

Poor Evga.

They can’t build proper (Debug LED’s to save their own life if needed)

My X299 Dark Debug fell off
Z490 Dark KP debug LED’s we’re failing (They worked great for a little while)
And now, my brand new Z590 Dark debug has almost entirely failed. Only 1 light works.

I won’t even bother with exchanging it because I feel like a new one will just fail too. But still, they need to get it together. Why do Evga debug LED’s fail so quickly? And nearly every motherboard?

I noticed the debug was getting dimmer by the days. And sure enough. It barely works at all. (Usually only shows one number, sometimes half a number) my Z490 Dark KP did the same thing.

Makes no sense to buy a brand new motherboard from Evga, $644 dollars with taxes of pure greatness. And the debug LED is the weakest link..(This is a feature I use so often) and it’s totally broken.


PS: it has been like this for a few weeks now already. The LED’s work. But whatever controls them fails horribly. It displays half numbers or dim numbers, and just becomes so horribly broken it is not legible at all.

 

I've never personally experienced an issue with them, but I have seen where others have. EVGA doesn't make them, but they should find another brand. There is no reason something so simple should be an issue. I'd trade my compromised ASUS rubbish for an X570 Dark with busted LCDs without hesitation, but it is still not acceptable that the LCDs are not durable.

If I had to take a wild guess, there is probably an issue with delamination.

How LCD Technology Works | Xenarc

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I received an update from Rockit Cool before 7AM yesterday, but no new information since. I am crossing my fingers and hoping I get it back in time to install it this weekend.

I modded the motherboard tray on the Qube case so I can easily remove the monoblock without having to remove the entire motherboard or disturb anything else in the process, so it should not be such a huge pain in the butt as it was before. I also ordered thumb screws to replace the original screws included in the monoblock kit from EK, so that will make it even easier.

 

At least mid range seems to be getting a facelift next gen

Intel Core i5-12600K CPU-Z validations confirm 50% higher performance than i5-11600K in multi-thread test
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-c...rformance-than-i5-11600k-in-multi-thread-test

 

Huawei was a small amateur company in Smartphones and forget designing ARM SoCs and BBK electronics was a joke. They didn't know anything about phone design. Once Apple started mega factories in China with Foxconn, Pegatron & Wistron (All Taiwanese corporations). All the State owned corporations simply knew about everything on how to in Mainland China. Soon Chinese state backed money poured from all sides and made electronic giants like BBK, Xiaomi and Huawei. Look at where they are now, Xiaomi is world's no 1 corporation in smartphones. BBK owns a massive chunk of share of phones in South East Asia, India and EU along with Xiaomi. Now Oppo are also going to release their own ARM based SoCs.

LG left the whole space because they cannot simply keep up with the insanely fast and tuned supply chain of Chinese corporations and they left despite having excellent hardware still kept the 3.5mm jack with a HiFi ESS DAC with solid EMI shielding which rivals $1000 DAPs which are Audiophile scams and MicroSD slot even when their division was on no legs. Sony is also now on last legs. Only Samsung survived but they are now a 1:1 clone of Apple, because of same investors who run the company on greed basis.

I would say it's more on the Apple than Chinese, since Apple enabled them and they know everything about how Chinese IP laws operate they simply do not care as they only care about money. They bend over to the state owned corporations hard VPN blocks, iCloud for the Chinese citizens is decrypted nicely by the State owned corporations. Just like how Hollywood does which perpetrate some political aspects on West but completely censor be it posters, in movie scenes, narration etc, in China everything gets removed. Same for gaming AAA studios, Blizzard censored all their agenda for Overwatch in China.

Intel has only small fab there at Dailan it's not CPU wafers but Memory one I guess, plus they finally assemble the CPUs in China too. AMD on the other hand, gave away the x86 Zen design IP as well, on the pretext of Capital while DoD didn't do anything.

We already know about Google's project Dragonfly, Google is a special case. They were truly top, world's most innovative and open friendly, they even left China in 2008 after a hack on their Employees and citing the Totalitarian Draconian laws but damn the CA state completely transformed them. Not only in these aspects but also their whole Android ecosystem policy, etc.

At this point none of these corporations or governments care about their people or their own nation, they only care about investors, growth, globalization and power. This is where I don't get why people defend and blindly defend corporations with tooth and nail, just look at Apple cult...

Really unfortunate to hear this....This makes the EVGA forum count of total boards having POST LED fail to 16 on the new Z590 DARK / Z590 FTW / X570 DARK combined. I was also shocked to see these fail on these new boards and old ones too, many say their Z390 DARK never had any failure. TiN abandoned the EVGA ship and so much of stuff is missing now. Really sad. What makes be more suprised is their boards are very few in quantities vs ASUS / GB / MSI how can they keep getting these components fail on the top end of the stack. EVGA doesn't have any explanation to this or response, here's the thread not sure if you know it or not, but you should report it there too.

 

Hey @Papusan look! The gaming Macbook does exist!

Still not a machine for me. But, I do like seeing this for people that do use them. It's about time Apple started putting out machines that are a bit more worth the hefty price tag they come with.

 

Sucking less than before is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. That doesn't necessarily mean it's awesome. It only means that sucking less than before is better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

This isn't a defense for crApple and I'd still love to see them burn, but if we're all honest about it, most gaming notebooks that run on Windows are also chintzy castrated turds that aren't worth a damn. The only thing different now is that crApple didn't have a horse in the race before and now they do. It is only meaningful if you like and care about using Mac. If you do not, then absolutely nothing has changed because you don't care and it is irrelevant because you'll still be running a Winduhz turdbook instead of a crApple turdbook.

 

Hey just wanted to ping you guys about a peculiar issue I am hitting with my main system.

Aorus ITX X570 WiFi, Gpus plugged in via Bifurcation adapter

Everything registers fine, even mines just fine no issue.

The issue I run into is that the GPU's seemingly are ignoring MSI Afterburner settings and I cant seem to figure out why. I have reinstalled the Nvidia Drivers as well as MSi Afterburner as well as tried the EVGA OC tool as well. Nothing seems to make them run anything besides what they want to run which means its consuming a lot more power than it needs to.

I'll try DDU and establish a baseline in the mean time and see if that resolves things, thanks in advance fella's

 

I got an email from them and a tracking number. I'm not sure how the thermal results translate to what I can expect to see and probably won't know until it is installed and running. That seems kind of hot to me, but I have nothing to compare it to because I don't use Prime95 for anything and don't use air cooling.

 

What are you trying to change on the settings that is being ignored? Core, memory? Did you try using the curve tool or only changing offsets? Also, you can see if they will respond to core and memory clock changes using NVIDIA Inspector,

 

If it is running Prime95 full tilt AVX enabled small fft, that's pretty decent.

But as you said, you won't be able to have a comparative analysis until you mount it on the Foxinator.

It would have been better if they ran the test before delidding and after.

 

Everything but different behavior on each GPU.

GPU1 (EVGA 3080): Runs full power 300w instead of the 220w tune, alterations to settings prompt 0 change.

GPU2 (MSi 3080): Runs under tune @ 200w instead of 225w tune, alterations to settings prompt 0 change.

GPU3: (EVGA 3090): Runs 350w instead of 300w, alterations to settings prompt 0 change.

Some times I can get the 3090 to run as desired but the other two 3080's refuse to budge.

Still troubleshooting though not actively, am remoting to my system from work so cant exactly dedicate time to it in the moment.

DDU completed and also reinstalled Nvidia driver 471.11, will reinstall MSi Afterburner in a bit. I forgot Inspector could also overclock as well, may give that a shot as well later...

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-and-discussion.835993/page-209#post-11125250
This looks kind of promising for ADL given it comes with a node upgrade. A TGL cpu doing 5.1ghz at ~1.30v at 92C in a thin and light laptop.

 

Ok I think I figured out whats going on.

the previous power limits that I used to set for the 3080's seem to not work anymore bizarrely enough.

GPU1 3080 Power limit 62% hits 220-230w target
GPU2 3080 Power limit 108% hits 220-230w target
GPU3 3090 Power limit 100% hit 320 initial target

Still figuring out this 3090, havent hit 120Mh/s yet but were getting there.

Thanks to @Rage Set for both the RTX 3080 and 3090! (EVGA FTW3 Ultra's) Honestly dealing with people with items this small with the values attached always has me worried about robbery and such. Its been a great peace of mind dealing with a fellow member here who is straight up and very fair. It has been and, I expect, continue to be a pleasure to engage with @Rage Set

I dont even like dealing with Reddit, just too large for me to have some inkling to someone's basic disposition on a large site like that.

That all being said if myself from a year ago told me I would be spending this kind of money on GPU's I'd probably tell me I am a fool lmao.

 

Yup, having Brother @Rage Set as a personal friend and a contributing member of this community is such a blessing.

 

So at least for the cards I have been able to acquire evga still is hands down the best. Haven't touched evga since Jesus, Fermi?

Built in hook ups for aux fans is a nice touch, metal backplates and thermal pads out of the box.

The 3090 comes with a 500w vbios stock as well. I attached an AMD epyc server heatsink and coupled it with one of those opolar USB vacuum fans and sealed it with foil tape to keep the memory Temps in check.

Seems to pull OK around +1100m but I have a theory about why it won't hit 120mh/s that I will test in a moment.

The msi 3080 I have does well for setup but mem Temps at 100c after repad is just laughable.

 

How to go 2 for 200 in the Newegg shuffle (cheaper than Best Buy even too).

 

Time to update the sig and Mh/s.

 

The 3090 is heavily fighting me lol

The tdp usage seems to be bouncing all over the place, could be what ever bios it's currently sitting on just really doesn't like operating under this circumstance but thus far I was able to get 111mh/s but drops to 100. Tjmax for mem is the best of all cards currently.

Even when running vanilla no settings in place still all over this place so I'm going to switch it in a moment and see how it behaves.

It could very well also just be not playing nice with the riser, I do have a full size pcie ribbon extension but if I use that I want to mock up a proper holster for it.

I mean, even if mining crashes tomorrow it will still be a hell of a gaming card!

 

How much did your KP fetch on eBay?

 

2899.99 shipped. I priced it $300 less than the next one as they have suddenly dried up in the moment and I wasn't looking to make an uber killing (as evidenced offering it here for even less). Had a couple nibbles here and 5 watchers on eBay within 24hrs and it was sold within 36hrs of listing here and eBay.

If I wanted to play the long game, I could have priced it a couple hundred more and it would have most likely sold.

Right now, anything priced under $3k will most likely sell quick. Hybrids tend to sell better overall as they can be converted into HCs if desired but not the other way around. It also puts it, cost wise, in the realm of what 3090s are selling for anyhow.

I wanted to keep it. I completely enjoyed it from start to finish and it was a monster. Ran like a boss from day 1, no problems with firmware or vBIOS updates, memory actually ran cooler than other cards I saw on the EVGA forums. Absolutely loved the look of
the hybrid and even days before selling still found myself glancing over at my case looking at it hemming and hawing...

I just reached a financial point where I wasn't gaming enough to keep it at that cost.

The Strix OC I "won" was less than half the cost ( $1119 = $1192 shipped total from da egg) and will provide close to the same performance for my gaming needs and even then I will compare it with the even more inexpensive 3070ti (~$570 shipped from BB) I'm currently using now.
That fps drop with the 3070ti in Ardenweald and slight slowdown in Bastion isn't a deal breaker but having gamed on the KPE 3090 for 10 months it is immediately noticeable. WoW @ 4k uses ~6.5GB max so it isn't a VRAM issue. 3060 was not even close to viable @4k, 3070 was a nice step up but not enough. 3070ti is real close but the gap between the 3070ti and 3080 is pretty large.

 

Looks like EVGA is already ready for Z690 now...but the DARK has only just 2 PCIe slots, wtf ? The new ADL Z690 has PCIe 5.0 and more lanes, PLX is what I expected but just 2 full length slots is really underwhelming. Expect the price go north $800+ easily.

Also now they are unable to fill the X570 boards and stopped the Queue and announced this. I wonder when will they even finish the GPUs, Mobos...

Introducing the EVGA Z690 DARK KINGPIN and Z690 CLASSIFIED motherboards – The Ultimate Choice for PC Gaming.

Spoiler: Press renders

ADL performance is already out officially by Intel this time, it's not a massive boost as what I was expecting. Gotta wait and see how the final reviews pan out given it's BS with Win11 Scheduler, CSM BIOS option, Gaming and SMT vs 10900K / 11900K / Zen 3. Plus the price hike DDR5 first adopter Tax and PCIe5.0 board tax is not warranting from the lame game benches.




Also more information from Anandtech.

Core i9-12900K/KF
For the Core i9-12900K, if we work from the ground up, the E-cores have a base frequency of 2.4 GHz but will turbo up to 3.9 GHz; the P-cores have a base frequency of 3.2 GHz, and an all-core turbo of 5.1 GHz. The P-cores that are considered the best (aka favored cores) will turbo up to 5.2 GHz.

Thread Director: Windows 11 Does It Best
This is a major BIG minus, Win11 BS....there's a LOT in that piece sigh.

Conclusions

 

Watching Paul's Hardware unbox a lot of 12th gen shinies:



Watch De8auer delid his dead 12900k to get an idea of what will be involved.

 

Got my order in for 12900K from Newegg, 5200Mhz CL38 DDR5 Corsair Dominator Platinum, and Hero board.

Finally Intel is forcing places like Anandtech and Gamers Nexus to stop neutering "K" enthusiast grade chips. Unlock the power and let them rip. Finally we will see real performance differences and not try to guess what power limits or settings the reviewer used.

 

LOL, this is why I love your posts @Talon. Hardcore early adopter so we get some personal hands on with the new hardware as it is released.

Looking forward to your results as always.

And GN has forever driven me bonkers with that useless adherence to the limited TDP knowing full well just about every motherboard opens it up by default.

 

Honestly ADL has me super excited. It's the first CPU from Intel in a long time that I've felt really excited about other than 11th gen Tiger Lake H45. Been watching the Keynote and I like the energy Pat is trying to bring back to Intel. The dude was on backstage doing pushups lol.

 

I am probably not going to sell mine, but the thought of making a solid profit selling a used GPU for substantially more than I paid for it has crossed my mind more than once. Especially because of how long it is taking to get the Optimus block for it. But, I wouldn't even consider it without a replacement GPU in-hand and in-use first. The only thing holding me back on turning it for a solid profit is the knowledge that the only direction available to go is down. Selling it would totally defeat the purpose of buying it in the first place because the benchmark scores would be lower and higher benchmark scores are basically the only thing I care about. The possibility that I might see a slight bump in boost clocks and benchmark scores with the Optimus waterblock is what keeps me hanging on. Otherwise, I cannot remember the last time I played a game and haven't even bothered to install one yet on my Ryzen system. If I were still into gaming, selling it for a solid profit and being content with very decent framerates that are more than adequate for the purpose of enjoyable gaming would be very intelligent.

I know, right? That drives me nuts, too. That approach is absurd. What kind of silly person throws money away an unlocked CPU and high-end motherboard with no intent to do anything but run it at stock specs? They should ignore the published TDP. It just doesn't matter. What matters is how well it overclocks, how the benchmark scores look, and how hot it gets. Everything else is a distracting waste of time for the reviewer and their readers/viewers. Adherence to reference specs, or the lack thereof, just isn't important in this arena.

 

I don't give a rat's butt about the little cores, or whatever efficiency and power savings having them might offer. That seems like a total waste of time and money to me, but I can ignore them in exactly the same way I ignore the Intel graphics if the big-boy part of the CPU that actually does matter is awesome enough. I will be looking at the overclocking capabilities of the 12900K and the associated benchmark scores with interest. How those things shake out might directly influence whether or not an X570 Dark has a place in my future. If EVGA doesn't drop that in my notify queue first, my curiosity about Ryzen and exploration with Team Red may end rather abruptly. I have no interest in wasting my time with a second-fiddle product, and the 5950X already kind of feels like that even when comparing it against obsolete Intel 10th Gen i9 technology. It has been an interesting experience, and valuable, but I would be lying if I didn't admit that I am having a certain degree of trouble identifying why the AMD fanboys have been so excited about it. It is great at producing fluffy Cinebench scores, but there is not much to write home about with respect to anything else. The things that are worth complaining overshadow the good to measurable degree.

 

Here's the deal... AMD Ryzen 5950X is from 2020 and Intel's coming 12th-gen CPU's will still struggle beat an older Cpu from AMD. This is what we call progress. Isn't it? But, yeah, if 1080P gaming is your deal you can't find an faster Cpu. Hope it overclock better than the Cpu performance increase in applications over previous gen chips (core for core). Saved by the small cores.

Intel also showed an IPC benchmark showing Intel’s various core architectures at the same frequency. 12th-gen P-cores ended up 28% faster than 10th-gen, and 14% faster than 11th-gen, while the E-cores effectively matched 10th-gen in IPC despite being significantly more efficient (Disable the small cores then you'll have the reality).

" At no point during Intel’s presentation did they compare 12th-gen CPUs to AMD’s competitors in productivity workloads, and made no claims about being the world’s fastest chip for productivity, like they did for gaming. This suggests that Intel are unlikely to beat AMD in productivity, and it’ll also be interesting to see how the 12900K compares to the 10900K in some of these apps, given the 10900K was faster than the 11900K at times".

Bigger chips could offer 16 real cores instead for the 8+8 hybrid mess, but the Alder lake desktop chips is in reality chips created for the laptop market. Smaller chips is also cheaper to produce, bin and help to max out profits.

Intel 12th-gen Core CPUs are official: Performance preview, Alder Lake models and specs

Edit. See also... However, Intel does admit that these benchmarks were captured on Windows 11 before the performance patch for AMD CPUs was available, so the results aren’t as meaningful as they would have been had they tested the 5950X in its best performing mode, such as using Windows 10 or waiting for the patch to be available.

 

Bro papu..Intel's official PR marketing benchmarks with AMD is horrible. They are using Win11 buggy L3 disaster edition lol build 22000.9. Not the October 21, 2021—KB5006746 (OS Build 22000.282) Win11.

Spoiler

People at MDL are complaining even on the Developer build 22483 is giving them variable results. Basically M$ nuked AMD's performance flat out with some BS on Windows11, I can smell this bad. We all know how Intel bribed OEMs to kill AMD long long ago. So I'm wearing my tin foil hat big and bold.

A bit of a side news, the new AMD's driver update, that's actually have UEFI CPPC2, I actually posted exactly about this dependency of AMD processors on the Windows OS and the Drivers and was wondering how Windows 7 performance is on AMD, not particularly relevant in L3 performance since it's more of a Win11 vs Win10 not Win7 as many do not care about that beautiful OS anymore. AMD's page on the issue.



Anyways moving on...After slowly digesting this load of Intel news it makes me feel like Intel is more of a preparing the platform and folks ready for their Hybrid design rather than pushing the performance or leadership to peak the Z690 is a legit improvement which I really like, it has lot of I/O but at the same time no mainstream board will pack a PLX chip and offer more PCIe slots but nope look at Z690 DARK just 2 full length slots. They could have gone for 4 lanes with so much I/O on the Z690 with lot of PCIe4.0 and 3.0 lanes.

Also if you read Anandtech's Ian analysis of the Intel ITD, that has already based on algorithm based workloads. So it's not dynamic but has fixed set, I think Intel may need to provide constant updates to the microcode optimizing this CPU design. Also First time ever since we have x86 since 1979 this new shenanigans are there like ARM. Just check it out for some unwanted lesson because Intel decided to give us that weird cores.

2 layers are there, Intel ITD is a HW microcontroller operating at nanoseconds and communicating to OS in microseconds. Windows 11 is a second layer as it controls and it can override even IDT. To make it even more damn complicated AVX and non AVX are based on 2 classes and E cores get one small class, how does a Cinebench R20 with AVX behave here ? or for eg games use AVX workloads. So these won't even be processed in the E cores ? Lot of questions have to wait for his full review. There's a damn ton of engineering went into putting this for sure but why we should bear the brunt of this.....sigh.

Expect BGA Lapjokes, Junkbooks, Turdbooks all are going to get whacked hard by this new comedy for sure. So much for those BGA trash they put this amount of engineering, really sad.

 

According to Tom's Hardware testing pre and post performance patch..

We've tested the Windows 11 and AMD patches and haven't seen any drastic improvements in our own testing. Look for that article soon.

https://promotion.asus.com/de/de/intel-z690

Pretty slick deal for our German friends.

 

Yep.

I have done a few roughtly calculations...

Regarding the E-cores effectively matched 10th-gen in IPC despite being significantly more efficient... An 4c/8 thread Intel Core i5-10400H running 4.2GH score around 1925 points in CBR20. The 8 E-cores in 12900K should provide around same performance with the slightly lower clock speed. Aka 2000 points in CBR 20 is done by the small baby cores. Intel could destroy AMD if they would allow/let the chips have 16 real cores. But the greed (and power consumption) come in front.

Rumored CBR20 score from 12900K


Then take away 2000 points. We will then see around 45% increase over 11th gen 11900K. Not far from the 50% performance increase Intel claim for alder lake.

Intel make most $$$ from OEMs and their lapjokes. They had to stop AMD to increase its market shares where the money is.

AMD Reports Third Quarter 2021 Financial Results

Customer adoption of Ryzen processors expanded, with Lenovo starting shipments of the Ryzen-based Thinkbook and Thinkpad E series business laptops featuring Windows 11, Lenovo announcing the Ryzen-powered Yoga Slim 7 Carbon and Yoga Slim 7 Pro, HP releasing two AiO devices with Ryzen processors and ASUS unveiling the Ryzen 5000 Series-based Zenbook, Zenbook PRO, ProArt StudioBook and VivoBook.

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Intel Core i9-12900K Smashes Multiple World Records at 6.8 GHz


AMD Ryzen 5950X on the bot https://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/ryzen_9_5950x/

11900K https://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i9_11900k/


And it looks like DDR5 make wonders in XTU as usual with new DDR ram https://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i9_11900k/

 

Whats fleabay charge for fees these days I wonder and paypal fees as well.

 

Totally immoral and absurd, to put it in a kinder than appropriate way. Approaching 20% after all is said and done, and they apply their percentage to shipping costs as well, which makes it even more dishonest. Selling on Craigslist and collecting cash, or selling here in the NBR Marketplace, are the ideal scenarios when you are able to do that. It's nice being able to keep 100% of what is yours. It's also better for the buyer since they can avoid dishonest governance by evading the deplorable double-dipping shenanigans on sales tax for items where tax has already been paid at the original point of purchase. Mercari is also better than fleaBay.

 

I'll wait for Intel's next HEDT class to come. Intel's 12th gen isn't exciting enough for me.

AMD might be screwing their HEDT users over...again. While AMD has never expressed support for multiple CPU generations for their TR4/TRX40 sockets, it is common (even for Intel) for an HEDT platform to support at least two CPU generations. TRX40 appears to be a single generation platform if the rumors of AMD cancelling Threadripper 5000 for HEDT are true. I, for one, will stop using AMD for my personal computing if this is true. AM4 gets five years of support and we get two years on TR4 and one year on TRX40, AMD can kick rocks.

 

AMD give you the naughty finger if there is no competition. Their HEDT series show this quite clearly. And with the lack of chips from TSMC they don't bother even make new gen TR chips as long the old one still perform better than Intel's.

See also the nice price hike when they pushed out 5000 series chips above 8 cores due lack of competition. Near $800 MSRP for the first time for mainstream chips. There you have AMD.

 

Wendell is taking a good approach in saying "here's what looks good" and "let's find out what the performance looks like"

 

@electrosoft

What is considered good power consumption in R15/R23 for the 10850K/10900k?


My 10850K pulls 180 watts stock. No power limits, auto voltages. This is using an AIO 240MM with pull fans. (Direct die)

 

If you have a store subscription it does chop off anywhere from 2-6% so overall fees run from ~6% up to ~13%. If you do ANY type of selling of at least $750/mo on average, it is in your best interest to have a store front for only $24.99/mo.

I sold my KPE 3099 for 2899.99

After eBay extracted their percentages and transaction fees (since they handle the financial transaction component now), my net was 2669.04.

This transaction had a 8.7% total rate since I have a store subscription with a $2500 cap and 2.35% after that.

8.7% @ 0-2500.00 = 217.50
2.35% @ >=2501.00 = 13.15
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Total eBay fee =230.65

S&H was ~$78 (Priority Mail, insured, signature required and eBay does give you a nice discount on S&H versus the actual shipping sites)

My actual total cost for my KPE 3090 was $2299.99 with overnight shipping, taxes and 10yr warranty + one time prepaid exchange label

So total cost of selling was $308.65 on ebay so actual total net was = 2591.34 ( +$291.35 profit)

If someone would have bought it on the boards it would have been 2550 - $89.39 PP fee - 94.10 S&H = Net 2366 (+$66 in my pocket (w00p!) hello one decent dinner!) and even then I was going to toss in the 3x Arctic Fans for one of the interested parties at that price because the objective was to break even or close to it while having a fellow board member get the KPE 3090 and avoid the dreaded sales tax. I tried to price it as fairly as possible with a small margin of error so I didn't take a loss.

Before this when they were separate it was 6% from eBay and 3.49% + .30 from PayPal so you do save a little now.

My continual eBay main gripe (besides taxes, fees and middlemen continually taking money out of my pocket) is the seller fees on sales tax (of which you see none as the seller).

 

I bought my 3090 Kingpin, and the Kingpin Hydro Copper kit from @Rage Set

It is fantastic. I’ve had it for about 3-4 months now. I love my GPU just as much as the day I got it lol. And we’re fortunate to have such an awesome forum like this.

 

That's good but with a caveat that the 10850k just like the 11700k have plenty of chips with killer pull at stock but as soon as you start to push up they show why they were binned lower than the 10900k and 11900k. I've seen a few 11900k's in action that when set to 4.6 like a 11700k actually pull more at stock but as you climb that V/F curve you see the furnatical wattmonster that is the unbinned 11700k show its true colors.

What does it pull at 5.0ghz all core?

I like to map out auto through ~5.3 (or wherever the chip gives up the ghost) with LLC as close to neutral as possible to get an idea of where they fall of the cliff.

 

Thank you, @Mr. Fox and @Reciever for the kind remarks. If you don't know me by now, you will, I go through hardware like it is water. Most of my hardware looks and performs like New. Yet, when I sell my hardware, I try to be as fair as possible. I either sell it at what I paid or at a loss. Every penny goes right back into more hardware of which I test and then sell again, lol.

Although, my wife is giving me the look because I am about to change career paths and raising capital. That means I have to get rid of some of my older hardware like my 6950X/6850K (I purchased the 6850K from @pathfindercod years ago), 7960X/X299 Dark and others. Be on the lookout on the NBR marketplace for some deals. Even my 5900X/6800XT build may be up for sale (most likely locally because it might be a pain to ship that PC).

@Papusan Bro, if you were local to me, I would have definitely donated some of my hardware to you for all of the hardcore dedication you have to the OC'ing craft. That is why I asked awhile back about your country's laws regarding shipping, tariffs and donations.

 

I might grab a 12900K. But since there is no Z690 Dark yet, I won’t mess with any Asus boards. I really don’t like switching bios lol. I love being right at home in the bios on a new platform. (The only learning curve is the CPU, and in this case new memory too)

I’ve been on three consecutive platforms all being with the Evga Dark boards. Broken debug LED’s and all lol. As @Mr. Fox says, Who cares right? Lol.

When the Z690 Dark is up, I may go for the 12900K. Until then I’m having too much fun with my 11900K.

PS: the 12700KF looks like the best value ever.

 

For everyone that's on Prema's HWBOT team, you all mind if I join or nah?