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LoL!!! I wonder how many people wouldn't know this if Steve didn't release a video to tell them?
The timeline could not be any more accurate though. If fits perfectly with the timeline of Alienware's decline.

 

First rounds of Alder Lake reviews are going live. With great power comes great heat with it looking like a 360mm AIO being the absolute minimum required to cool these beasts. My main takeaway from this is not how good 12th-gen is but what utter garbage Rocket Lake was.

 

Rocket lake was crap. Only until I ran one. Those little 8 cores can easily match the 10 cores of 10th Gen.

No to mention 36NS latency with DDR4 3867. These reviews on Google are BS man. I don’t know how they managed to dumb it down so poorly. I could probably run 1 stick of ram and beat all of their numbers lol

Gaming is where it shines. Especially flight simulator performance. It is ridiculous.

Really though, I personally thought the 11900K was a piece of crap. Until I used one. I have a 10850K and an 11900K you need to see a real head to head comparison with both platforms properly tuned out. With both processors at 5.3Ghz. Or even stock.

 

C'mon now. You do know. It is called being a Ryzen shill and fanboy. If you look at NewEgg reviews, an overwhelming number of people that purchased 11900K say two things: (1) they love it, it's a beast; and, (2) it's insanely hot compared to the CPU it replaces. Some say it costs too much, but show me something that doesn't now. Everything costs too much now and everything is a poor value no matter what it is or who makes it. That is a far cry from the hate it gets from "professional" reviewers on YouTube that are obsessed with hate for Intel for staying on 14nm longer than those silly die-shrink Kool-Aid drinkers thought they should. They have an irrational hatred for large dies and high power draw that skews their view of reality and diminishes the validity of their biased opinions. But, I digress... irrational hatred based on lies, urban myth and misinformation is the new normal in all areas of life now.

 

Go back and look at my early benches and runs with the 11900k (and even 11700k) vs my 5800x and even loosely tuned at >=5ghz it was beating my 5800x even with PBO or manually overclocked (which worked the best for all core). @Talon 's numbers right out of the gate are what gave me pause and I ordered an 11700k and bottom tier Z590 motherboard for testing to see for myself. Both running B-die sticks. Picking up an 11900k just confirmed it. Slightly slower IPC coupled with much better clocks = win.

12900k appears to build on that approach but I'm still reading and watching atm.

I still stand by original dubbing of the 11900k as a hot and heavy Frankenchip but in an endearing kind of way.

 

Steve's take is very luke warm I expected more from him..AMD in trouble from the Thumbnail, very poor joke. At most AMD needs price cut due to the Gen 5 and DDR5 on 12th gen not trouble lol.



And his benchmark suite for games is gutters..Farcry6 is bad benchmark, it has ST only performance this has been since FC3 due to Dunia engine. And his first benchmark choice is this. Cyberpunk 2077 is also a super poor title to measure the benchmarks for CPU since the game doesn't scale well with CPU core differences. Plus it has worst optimization issues not at all worth & CSGO is added for it's massive 360Hz competitive FPS scene perhaps. Rainbow Six LOL awful title from Ubitrash and insanely high FPS, F2 2021 another high FPS game... I think the reasoning is probably just take all the games which run very high FPS and measure the advantage. In reality all 9th, 10th,, 11th & Ryzen 3000, 5000 are equally good.

Where's Metro Exodus, DOOM Eternal, Control, Witcher 3 and so many others do not exist.. on top all the Intel CPUs are running stock, same for AMD processors. Why bother with K series processors tbh just get a non K chip and run if he going to run at barebone stock on all these over $300 CPUs.


Steve constantly keeps on saying new Architecture so yeah the ADL performance is due to that P and E cores but didn't bother to test it deep, and brand new DDR5 is the reason apparently. His conclusion is somewhat okay but it's more for all the mainstream audience like Console owners, really poor take. No mention of Chipset Z690 advantages or comparison with AMD as well, no Overclocking results as well unlike 10th gen reviews. Also no 10900K OC results mentioned remember when 10980XE 5.1GHz was OCed to all core and was compared with 9900K review and it was actually chart topping (forget the power consumption on X299 for this instance) ? Yeah those days are gone.

OptimumTech Ali on his i5 review has some interesting takes at DDR4 vs DDR5 take including the information on how the IMC is on Gear 1 DDR4 vs Gear 2 DDR4 and Gear 2 DDR5 vs Gear 1 DDR4 across gaming and production workloads, plus looks like Gear 1 DDR5 is no go with ADL, this was kinda expected with ADL. To put it short, DDR5 is very fast so it makes up the Gear 2 latency losses in gaming while production it doesn't impact like gaming but do note his review is Win11 trash not Win10, Steve's rig is Win10 only. Also his conclusion is more grounded in reality than what GN's Steve hints, even acknowledges how 11th gen is already fast in gaming and how ADL is not something revolutionary take even mentions 3D V-Cache Ryzen as well.



TPU has manual OC being worthless mentioned, W1zzard says the all core 5.0GHz is too hot for their setup which is Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360mm and Noctua U12S but Ali got the i5 running at OC on a CLC and same for Guru3D who were able to OC I think the CPU hits 100C very fast. Next interesting part is TPU's review suite has E cores completely disabled and the gaming performance difference ? almost negligible !!

Also notice these gaming charts below somehow 10900K was on top with 11900K review now kicked back. Here's the test setups for both 11th gen review and 12th gen review. Is it because of 3600MHz DDR4 in 12th gen vs 3800MHz DDR4 ? idk I think the reviews nowadays are getting way cloudy that's all I can think now. I checked production workloads it did not have such impact.

Spoiler: TPU Gaming

Spoiler: TPU Production

Guru 3D reviews has some interesting content on OC, the 12900K consumes 469W at 5.3GHz... I think Noctua DH15 is no go for this CPU, 10th and 11th can run on that but not 12th.

Spoiler: Guru3D memory latency DDR5, CBR20

Their Performance take...

So many are saying DDR4 is good enough But I really say nope. Nobody should pay for DDR4 on ADL, that's shooting in foot. Because we do not know what Raptor Lake is going to do, SKL also had DDR3 and DDR4 you'd be ended up being meeting a dead end if Raptor Lake doesn't have DDR4. Ian Cutress also thinks ADL is last DDR4, going this way = waste of money on the new platform.

Anyone buying ADL should go for DDR5 only, that leaves them LGA1700 socket upgrade path without any shenanigans. By Zen 4 and 13th gen DDR5 will mature even more so you'd be leaving the extra performance out. So that must be considered as a whole package for ADL, the price for the first adoption. Simple.

Very important part is how everyone is saying BIOS is perfect. Intel purposefully ruined 11th gen, they didn't want to give anything to the 1200 socket owners except a very hot processor with reduced HT and IPC boost with gaming at focus. Sad and overpriced Z590 platform as well. Intel is real scum, now Z690 is even more expensive. I wish that AMD fixed all their BS bugs and issues.

 

Alphacool makes rubber gaskets/shrouds up to 10mm thickness iirc. Some of the thicker fans may benefit from it ( 120x38 / 140x38 ) more than the 120x25s

 

The 11900K was really the only CPU that’ll give you a good experience in flight simulator though. It was 20-30% faster than a 10900K.

I don’t care about what it is. I am just trying to prevent cpu bottle Neck at 1440P. The 11900K was the only thing that was providing the best experience. When I say Google reviews, I mean actually reviews from like Gamer Nexus or tech power up. Not Newegg reviews.

My 10900K died out, and I just bought one because it was readily available, and for $500 bucks. My motherboard was $600, so price is really objective. However, I
was after good memory performance. But $600 for a Z590 Dark is probably the worst value ever lol. It is a fantastic motherboard, but there are options that’ll perform similar for 1/3 the cost. The 11900K is similar in cost to the 10900K, and it was readily available while providing a significant single thread advantage.

 

The core architectural advancements even compared to 11th (which were decent compared to 10th) is just lights out good.

Is it hot and heavy? Yep. If it wasn't, Intel would have laden it down with a proper 12/24 and 16/32 design instead of attaching e-cores for extra MT oomph knowing single core is a dominant win in every way.

I agree that to run this chip properly you are going to need an AIO and then some dependingon what you seek and quite honestly I would turn off the e-cores meaning the 12700k is fully in play (assuming no binning shenanigans) and turns into an 11900k on steroids. I could see a 12900k having a good battle with @Mr. Fox and his chiller.

I think I mentioned this before but I very much like your CPU write ups @Ashtrix. I always find myself reading them and following your links.

 

New gen chips barely beat previous gen is a failure. Rocket lake fits very well in that picture. A dead end platform that Intel could have given some birth help as 10nm, but instead gave all their love to mobile Junk. Intel in short killed socket 1200 platform with the old 14nm+++++++ to be able to boost 11th gen BGA performance due 10nm to try compete with AMD Ryzen mobile in notebooks.


Yep, not only Intel did an Rocket lake. Even Microsoft run into that trap. New has to be better newer as bro Fox always say.



12th Gen Intel Core - Do you need Windows 11? pudgetsystems.com

To summarize it, however, in most cases we saw virtually no difference between Windows 11 and Windows 10. In fact, the two applications where there was a drop in performance with Windows 11 was actually with the Intel CPUs. In both Premiere Pro and After Effects, the Core i9 12900K ended up scoring 6-8% lower in Windows 11. These are both applications where Intel already beats AMD, but suggests that once the Windows 11 bugs are worked out, Intel's lead will actually expand even further.

The fact that there appears to be room for Intel to improve with the 12th Gen CPUs in Windows 11 is somewhat disappointing (we never like to see a performance drop), but it does make us a bit excited to see what these new CPUs will be capable of once all the Windows 11 and other performance bugs are worked out.

Phobya offer 20mm Acrylic Shroud.

 

12900K/690 Hero rig up and running.

Clean install so give me some time to get things setup and updated.

 

I think I'm going to order a 12700k and another dirt cheap Z590 motherboard again for some testing like with 11th. Gaming benchmarks show the 12700k and 12900k basically even with the 12600k taking a dip. I really want to turn off the e-cores and see the 12700k/12900k run like a 11900k for personal comparisons and shiggles and set up a test W10/W11 bench outside of my main rig.

It's stuff like this that keeps me in the overall negative losses year to year. I can't help myself sometimes.

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/m...equire-modern-overclocking-solutions.1794893/

https://www.overclock.net/cdn-cgi/i...ck.net/attachments/1636041157632-png.2531018/
It's from that thread. 5.8 to 5.7ghz seems to be possible. Almost 6ghz on ambient cooling!

 

It would seem I am NOT going to be able to use my Corsair cooler at the moment. I tried to use it with the Asus motherboard holes, but temps are insane immediately on CB23 run lol.

Looks like I have to use the damn MSI cooler.

 

Steve from HWU had the same problem trying to use his Corsair 115 and had to switch to an MSI to get temps down too.

I wonder if my EVGA or Arctic will fit?

I'm going with the MSI Pro Z690-A Pro series again because I want to run my DDR4 B-Die sticks for the most direct comparison and all my previous data was from an MSI Pro Z590-A Pro.

Oh, and I'm trying to be as cheap as possible.

MSI Z690 is $40 more than the Z590 was when bought @ $219.99.

12700k was $419.99 from Best Buy. I had Over $100 in rewards sitting in my account so went ahead and used them.

I fully expect the 12700k to decimate the 5900x considering what the 12900k did to it across the board.

 

Thank you. Also it is the same from me as well.

About the AIO and cooling. I just mentioned Air cooler because just the odd one out here, I like air cooling only on my personal preference being I like the machines to last very long time beyond their time. I feel like AIO needs to be replaced every 5 years at-least or have a talented open loop which most of the folks here manage to do so. And when seeing the Maximum Turbo Power I thought we could cool this on Air but it's not the case at all these processors are peak clocked and wider uarch design. Also the LGA1700 mounting kits are even more important now, some old AIOs are worse on this new CPU socket.

Really true LGA1200 is really the worst socket in it's lifetime by Intel purposefully killed it so prematurely very sad indeed, pushed all the 10nm yields onto the BGA dumpster to battle AMD mobile and got all that junk gamer trash sales. While ruining the 11th gen CPUs on the socket with reduced cores and insane heat. Now people are left with either get a Z590 and eat up the massive cost and get the older power hungry CPUs, the performance is solid but the value is now lost from the looks since I checked 10900K prices it's still ~$490 with tax even an i5 12600K delivers a solid performance. So many will be forced to eat up the new Z690 platform with DDR5 trap PLUS the bigger cash investment on the new platform and the Windows shenanigans on top of the big.little BS, we do not know how the old games scale on this at-least now. Or get a Ryzen processor which even has a smaller refresh in the future with Zen 3D.

We do not know what Intel plans for this LGA1700 socket either, given Intel's past every CPU gets a new Chipset and the n-1 gets 2 CPU options but reduced feature parity (n= Z590, n-1= Z490). AM4 on the other hand has 2 CPUs on the same chipset X570 and the 3rd refresh is again on the same AM4 socket, so motherboard BS is not there, heck I forgot the X470 those are poor quality vs X570 but they can run a Ryzen 5000 stock and it performs well for it's value and age of the Chipset probably will even take 3D refresh. With 11th gen LGA1200 people bought Z490 and expected PCIe gen4.0 and Intel screwed them hard along with IMC gearing BS.

Windows 11 is a massive pile of dung, cannot really stand to the mobile focused OS a Desktop machine. I doubt it is going to improve anything. At this point I just hope M$ doesn't ruin Windows 10 2021 LTSC in favor of pushing Win11 more.

 

Looks like today is "parts delivery day" LOL. My parts from Brother @pathfindercod and OptimusPC are out for delivery. Amazon should be delivering the Iceberg Thermal FUZEIce that I ordered for shiggles. And, it looks like Brother @Rage Set received the AMD Foundation block in his mailbox.

The direct die kit from Rockit Cool has a tracking number but no status from USPS. The Mayhems tubing from Performance-PCs will be here on Saturday.

 

Here's hoping for a monster bin and may your chiller ever run icy cold...

My 12700k from best buy and MSI Z690 will both be here tomorrow. Free shipping.

I don't strive for Elite Plus Status with BB but it usually happens anyhow yearly; it does have its perks.
I do so much buying and watching from Amazon, Prime membership is a no brainer.

 

Whoa reminds me of the MSI debacle many moons ago when a truck load of MS-17XX laptops were stolen:

https://videocardz.com/newz/a-truck-full-of-evga-geforce-rtx-30-graphics-cards-has-been-stolen

 

You’re totally right @Papusan. I’m being an idiot. I guess I am looking at it from an availability standpoint, and FPS only mostly. Although the 11900K still works for my niche situation, it may not be worth while for some. Most people run 3440x1440 or 3840x2160 resolution. I like staying above 100 FPS though. I am curious now to see what AMD brings in response to this. Also, I didn’t realize PC hardware was that expensive where you’re from sir. I saw that Evga AIO that you managed to get, also do you still have that strix 2080Ti you posted a pic of on here a while back?

 

Ok just took a look and messed around with the bracket, and reseated the cooler and used actual thermal paste this time and much better. Temps are now controllable on a STOCK run.

CB23 hit 27K at bone stock. No XMP, no BIOS changes, and outdated BIOS. I just got an updated beta BIOS from the forums and will get busy flashing and tuning. But I still think until I get my corsair brackets I am going to be held back because stock temps were mostly mid 70s after 1 run and max temp was 81. Doesn't leave much room for Overclock at stock voltage. But early days still.

 

I’m genuinely curious what you can get out of it. Also bclk is weirdly good on this platform. It changes the CPU voltage behavior. For example x50 with 104mhz bclk will run 5.2Ghz and consume less power and heat than just straight 5.2Ghz. (It’s like the internal vid is just much better, and easier to stabilize)


Also, watch that tWR timming with Gear 1. It is very picky going below 16 or even 18 range when running Gear 1 with memory speeds of 3733/3800/3867+ (I struggled with this for a moment) Gear 2 doesn’t care running very low 8-10 tWR is totally fine even for 5,200+ Mhz DDR4 speeds.


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If I didn’t trust it 100% I’d never mention it. but I’ve been running these voltages since I got It. No problems at all.

I hope you’ve got a good one! And happy overclocking.

 

I did a tear down last night. I wanted to install the flat legs. @Mr. Fox the flat legs are very stable. No more wobbling at all, you always said the flat variant, and your right 100%. I also had to blow out my little car sized radiator. And I mounted it in the front like a real car as well.

Now I just need a hood and some wheels to
go with it.

 

That is beastly!! I’m blown away that Intel has launched a real contender in multithreaded power.

 

Yeah, that really confirms the initial salvo of reviews and most of the CB23 scores we're seeing.

How much is it pulling under load at bone stock? Vcore and watts?

 

Is anyone else not liking the review numbers off of the Intel CPUs? Of course, except for the 12600K, which adds value over the AMD 6 core.

I mean, single digits over AMD after how long? Plus, AMD still has their V-cache chips to come out, which in theory adds up to 15%, meaning the upcoming short order release from AMD should put them right back on top (ignoring the Win 11 stuff going on).

But, credit where credit is due (to be fair to Intel), they have taken the crown back, even if it seems pyrrhic at the moment (as there is not enough uplift for many with a Zen 3 CPU to need to upgrade, and those with that platform will be able to use the upcoming chips; with DDR5 being the main reason to get Intel right now as there are no add-in cards supporting PCIe 5.0 for consumers right now and the storage is still PCIe 4.0 on these platforms).

Edit: BTW, the value is still there on the 12900K, not saying it isn't, as it is priced lower than the AMD 5950X. Just wanted to clarify that Intel did price it inline where it does seem to be a decent for what it is and the performance it gives (whereas in the past they priced even chips that didn't perform as well as AMD's above the cost of AMD's chips).

 

Very interesting, Intel. You took back some ground and then some...but. What is going on with HEDT?! I see both Intel and AMD pushing mainstream into the price range where HEDT normally resides. This is concerning.

Welp, it was good while it lasted.

 

Stock clocks, XMP ON in CB23 = 1.190v load, and 226w package for 27.3K

Also AVX-512 works on 12900K by disabling the E cores.

 

HEDT is buggered at the moment, both with AMD and Intel. Intel should have something out this spring. AMD, on the other hand, has cancelled the Zen 3 HEDT releases, leaving only "Pro workstation" chips to be released. Ugh!

That is in part still with silicon production issues and the limits there effecting how many products can be made. So AMD is devoting that to the highest margin products (which Intel still doesn't have anything to compete with the high end, and Genoa will have 96 cores and there will be a 128 core variant, if rumors are correct, without AVX512 and with 16 cores per die).

But, with the price creep, I don't think AMD will have a new HEDT platform until 2023 to 2024. So, here's hoping Intel's return to HEDT in 2022 will be enough to kick AMD in the nuts to increase production (or rather pay for more fab time from TSMC).

 

Amd need every single wafer for their existing products. And Intel still struggle feed the BGA jokes with processors (Dell had to delay shipping of new gaming Jokebooks). There is almost no inventory for making HEDT chips. With higher prices on mainstream they can grab back some of the losses they have to take from no HEDT chips and try keep up with the never ending demand from the OEM to feed the market with more of gaming-jokes, touchbooks, mini laptops and 2 in 1.

 

Z690 LGA DTR style laptop with a 12600K would be pretty darn nice.

 

Nice, pleasant, rambling realistic review:

 

I'm thinking the 12600k would be the sweet spot in terms of balls out performance and some overclocking in a Clevo DTR.
It will be interesting to see over the next month or so how the thermal/ power variance manifests on these new hybrid chips and where the binning process lands and overclocking in general.

I really wanted to see a 5000 series DTR running a 5950x.

 

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthre...CPU%92s-require-Modern-Overclocking-Solutions

 

Looked it over a bit ago. I need sleep before I dive into that work. Getting to Microcenter at 330am to get a motherboard was a terrible idea. Then again I got the only Hero board available. Then slapping it all together when Ingot back. My body is aching lol.

My initial thoughts are this CPU is an obvious beast. But I don’t need this many cores lol. I think I would have been better off with a 12600K or 12700k at most.

 

You say the PMC has moved from the MB to the Memory itself. Can you still control Vmem via BIOS or is it automated from the memory?

Vmem tolerances are in play again so the best approach for pushing Vmem in correlation to higher mem performance is again 2 x SR?

Even number timing restrictions feels like the timing limitations of AMD 5000 settings.

For pure overclocking, it looks like e-cores are more a hindrance than helping. They seem to be holding back many native states of the P-cores ripe for overclocking.

e-cores disabled allows P-cores full access to the cache is nice.

What is the lowest tiered board this time around that has AI?

Starting to read through @Falkentyne 's excellent write up, the e-cores for regular users are a plus but for those really looking to push their CPUs they seem to be a negative.You will be turning them off for single or sub 9 core runs and then turning them back on and making sure you break the point where having them on outweighs having them off.

I like the overall improvements and gains Intel made but I do not like this hybrid design at all for the sake of beating the 5900x and 5950x in MT by sacrificing OC potential, introducing headaches and hoping and praying the schedulers do their jobs by using this mash up.

Hopefully it continues to refine with os, mc and bios updates.

 

Well, it is all assembled. Getting ready to turn it on. But, I have to run to the store first.

 

Anandtech's full writeup had some information..

The E Cores are on parity in most of the tests on the Benchmarks side with a 6700K 4C8T CPU at 4.2GHz vs 3.9 E cores 8T design. And they take 48W max power.

Bro @Papusan you may want to check that IPC and benches for the E cores at Anandtech. Basically as you said, the E cores add 2.5K CBR20 pts..making the CBR20 from 8K of P cores doing major real load and 2.5K from E cores, simply boosting the CPU to 10K points. So here the real deal is 10900K CBR20 at 6K+ to 8K+ now, that's the real thing right. Intel could have simply done this with 11900K instead of Willow Cove, give the LGA1200 these big Golden Cove cores on 10nm node and really would have offered a massive boost vs 10900K at high IPC and solid 8C SMT and MT performance. But nah Intel is greedy PIG so they get to milk DDR5 now on OEM deals PLUS PCIe5.0 and the Biglittle trash for BGA Joketop and Lapjokes... this what it is don't you think it's crystal clear now, esp after seeing Optimum Tech Ali's DDR4 vs DDR5 and even Anandtech DDR4 vs DDR5 and HBU DDR4 vs DDR5 literally they could have done this on DDR4 LGA1200. Sad. Also it helps their 10nmESF yields for Sapphire Rapids. Damn Intel.

Also E cores share the new Ring bus meaning L3 cache as well with P cores, that's why those P cores and E cores when combined give less OC headroom. Also at the Max Turbo Power PL2 if we disable E cores, the new Golden Cove 8C16T will put out 240W power. So once enabled E cores within the same CPU Max Turbo Power limit PL2 they will combine both essentially reducing the P cores clocks ? and take 260W instead of 48W+240W. Note the AVX2 workloads, they have lower than 10th and 11th gen PLUS they have no Tau expiry this time around, I think this is one big thing but unfortunately the CPU is still very hot and needs a mandatory new 360mil AIO because if we disable the new Turbo Limit it will go very high. So it's essential to tame the new design. I think everyone were going to run 12900K on AIO expect me haha.

Basically they chopped off the 50W extra from 10th and 11gen on Tau infinite. But added 50W SKL cores to the mix, making it even out and getting that HT performance. Also 10nmESF is too much for the Golden Cove CPU, if Intel added 2 more or 4 more of those P cores the node cannot keep up and the CPU itself will burn up at 5.0GHz clocks for these CPUs Turbo clocks. That AND BGA trash market is primary reason Intel is doing this.

AVX512 depends entirely on Intel, if the new Microcode and BIOS update will remove it, no one can do anything. If they enable it for all everyone can get AVX512 for those workloads (RPCS3 is the only one which is useful to me personally), ASUS only was able to figure out how to enable the functionality on the Z690. Intel stated that AVX512 required more validation and more effort was supposedly to be put on Sapphire Rapids so they axed it in the Press. for ADL.

Spoiler: Images

E core - Single Threaded 1C1T



E core - Multi Threaded (8 Cores vs 4C8T)

Also DDR4 vs DDR5, DDR5 seems so scale well with SMT/HT performance than ST workloads. They also confirmed the Latency is much higher now but DDR5 vs DDR4 there's not much penalty it seems as per them, do future DDR5 CPUs will definitely shine bright but IMC is going dodo probably lol, Gear 2 will be the norm. And the inter core latencies are same as Rocket Lake. I think that Willow Cove / RKL is a test bed for their new CPU design and is very similar so they experimented it on the damn Z590 LGA1200 socket at 14nm+++++.

Also everyone should read the Win10 / Win11 shenanigans, a ton of drama is there which people should really consider when thinking about ADL along with DDR5 early adopter tax. AND potentially 2018 LTSC Windows 10 being not well suited for this ADL CPU. Windows 7 working also is questionable for the time being.

 

That looks awesome. Very very cool !! I love those quick releases. Very serious and business looking lol.. One thing I love about this motherboard is how securely it mounts the 3090 Kingpin. (You probably noticed it just barely fits as it is) and man, that darker waterblock mounting hardware looks great with the black memory.

 

Thank you. I just finished installing drivers and looking forward to doing more exploring.

This certainly is refreshing after AMD's disgusting memory latency mess.

 

Your machines always look nice, very organized and well made despite having insane cooling custom loops. Since M18xR2 days I remember seeing that kind of cool stuff. Also nice black Cablemod cable kit with Black combs, I want to get Red and Black mix with Silver comb, maybe too edgy haha but power cables with red colors look intriguing to me personally.

Looking forward for your take on 11900K, also most interesting would be if you run a 10900KF in the future how it works on the Z590 mobo esp with Gear 1 high speed DDR4 4000MHz low latency. Ofc the Windows 7 on this platform. I think except both of us here nobody uses that beautiful OS anymore sadly. Luumi still did not make his full video on the Z590 DARK Windows 7 yet, however he was able to boot Win7 successfully anyways on that mobo. Probably he is busy with his OC records and X570 DARK and now Z690 DARK.


I told him on his youtube video comment that Simplix Pack exists and he can skip the important updates altogether if he wants to experiment with that method since he also always goes with the ODD Win7 ISO installation then performing the usual KMDF, NVMe hotfix and etc he got some error itseems. And the second one is another video he made for Windows 7, that's for I225 V which he actually quoted you and other guys on Win-Raid, which I already knew.




You may already know, some of the folks at Win-Raid got A5 BSOD on Z590 Apex and Tachyon, the Tachyon got it fixed with a modified acpi.sys it seems but not sure how Apex guy got it right.

Unfortunately Intel 12900K will also have very high latency at 90ns but the DDR5 and the faster IPC due to more Wider uArch design and the new 30MB of L3 cache on that new Ring bus with Golden Cove P cores, it is faster in most of the workloads.

But small difference, at-least the FCLK and all that WHEA won't occur on Intel Alderlake platform I guess.

So going forward we have to keep up with the higher memory latency only. Plus that means, Gear 2 ratio only for DDR5 no more Gear 1 and possibly the ADL might need Gear 4 for 8000MHz DDR5 kits. I suspect AMD Zen 4 will also be like this.

 

Very nice. Those QRs are close to steampunk territory! Time for business.....

Oh I see it has begun!

 

Actually, considering this is without a delid, no liquid metal (obviously no chiller) the temps aren't bad. Not as hot as I expected. I haven't really even tuned anything yet. I think I've got some decent headroom to work with. I've only been using it like a half hour since installing drivers.

I am not 100% certain that all of the sensors are accurate. Core voltage is reasonable (1.432V was just a lucky guess as a starting point) and I think I can lower it more, or increase the clock ratio without moving the voltage.

 

11th gen swallows voltage without heating up like 10th gen and pre. It's kinda crazy.

 

Hey @Mr. Fox, I was looking at the 4930mx records and noticed you managed to get 4.997ghz on yours, how the hell did you manage to do this with stock cooling? Did you just get lucky with your ES chip or were you using liquid metal or something, I'm quite impressed with this submission lol.

https://hwbot.org/submission/2578547_mr._fox_cpu_frequency_core_i7_4930mx_4997.04_mhz

 

Nevermind…

 

Yeah the memory latency is very good. It’s easy to run very high frequencies due to the minimal strain on the IMC with gear 2. And once your at 4600 or more, you can match that high frequency gear 1 performance.

These numbers aren’t stable but still fun.

 

Definitely not using the stock cooling. Yes I use liquid metal, and that system really needed it because of Haswell being such a blast furnace. I also benched my laptops using a portable air conditioning unit to blow freezing cold air into the bottom of the chassis. That works really well even for an air-cooled desktop.

 

Light overclock to 5.1Ghz P cores, and 4.0Ghz E cores. Undervolted to 1.3v LLC4. Cache default. I think this platform might drive to do a custom look with a huge rad.

 

If we validated with CPU-Z nowadays it would be near impossible. A lot higher load from newer Cpu-Z versions than in the older days

https://hwbot.org/submission/4847190_papusan_cinebench___2003_core_i7_3770k_4430_cb


https://hwbot.org/submission/4847195_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i7_3770k_934_cb


https://hwbot.org/submission/4847191_papusan_cinebench___r11.5_core_i7_3770k_10.25_cb