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Yeah absolutely. I just thought it was interesting, something you don’t see everyday. Rocket lake is very particular over 5.1-5.2Ghz. Comet Lake would tolerate loads of voltage and low temps at high frequency. However, rocketlake is the opposites. My other 11900K is really a 5.2Ghz type of gal lol. No matter how cool, and how much voltage. Stabilizing just 5.3 during even the lightest of AVX was a no go. It could game, but that was about it. I couldn’t even get through timespy at 5.3 with it.

 

That looks great so far. Hey, check your core to core temps. Something doesn’t look right. Or, is that just ran at high priority and real temp just isn’t reading correctly?

 

Probably because I set it to run in real time priority.

Here is a 5 minute AIDA64 stress test.

 

Same with 10850K. This is relidded, not bare die. I don't have time to tinker with that right now.

 

200 watts at 5,310Mhz is outstanding! Definitely needs a delid. That’s a 5.5 chip daily easily, without a chiller. You’ve got plenty of voltage headroom there. It’s nice having a chip that likes to run.

It’s gonna respond so well to the delid. Less power, less voltage, and drastically lower temps.


Did you ever come across any super high quality 10900K’s when you were binning them? Any close to this?

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Glad to see you are happy with it!

 

Holy shnikes that is a very nice 10900k! That thing in an X170 would be an absolute monster. Once you delid and go dd, I'm expecting 5.5 min all core most likely some 5.6 runs with the chiller, congrats bro!

@Clamibot that is the type of chip that would send your X170 into the stratosphere.

 

True, the one thing about 11900k's is a dud core wiped out the SP rating of a lot of chips or some high SP chips ran hot even with low vid and killer V/F curve. Once you ran it, the heat was out of bounds. You would get some SP8X chips out performing SP9X chips once delidded and cooled properly. Same thing we're seeing with 12th gen and the heat and pull variance. Look at the difference between my SP89 and SP90.

I'll be real curious to see what your 11900k chips spit back once popped into an Asus Z590 Strix or higher MB along with an Asus level vid report vs EVGA.

My priority was temps at stock and OC was icing on the cake. It does 5.3 and 5.4 but 5.4 was when temps took over for me even though 5.3 all core CB23 maxed at 80 on my AIO.

 

Intel rumored to bin 12900k for 12900ks:

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-c...requency-allegedly-in-the-works#disqus_thread

Now rumors are Intel is going to bin 12900k to make 12900ks chips and that makes sense considering the massive range of Vcore, watts and heat. When this happens expect much lower bins overall on regular 12900k. They didn't do that with 11th because 11900k was a binned 11700k and 10th was already running pretty hot and heavy overall.

 

There was one out of maybe 15 that was almost this good, but not quite as good. This one is superior. I was using that cheap Prime mobo and the Z490 Dark, so I could never see the SP rating on any of them. That is good in a way, because each one was thoroughly tested and ranked based solely on actual behavior without any reliance on an SP rating. So, no opportunity for a placebo effect. But, it would have been nice to have the SP rating in my Excel sheet as a point of reference or validation though.

Very much so. Es muy bueno. Andale, andale, arriba, arriba, yee-haa!

I am eager to pop the top and throw some cold water on it. And yes, a chip like this would be totally insane to have in an X170. It would likely do things never imagined or possible otherwise in a laptop.

 

Before you "pop the top" could you do a full cmos reset, load optimized defaults stock run on the Asus Z490 for CB23 and show Vcore, watts and temps? What cooling do you use on the Asus? I want to add it to my 10900k tables as I look to potentially start to zero in on a binned chip for the X170SM/KM (One of them has to go eventually!)

 

I already moved the golden 10900K CPU to the Z590 Dark, but I am planning to go bare die on the 10850K in the Strix setup. I am trying to make up my mind between the 10850K and 10900KF in the Strix setup. The former is a better silicon bin, but the latter seems to actually handle overclocking better at 5.2GHz and above. I saw this behavior with both CPUs in the Z590 Dark as well. The better binned 10850K takes a lot less voltage at 5.0GHz and 5.1GHz, almost the same voltage at 5.2GHz and more voltage at 5.3GHz. I am trying to wrap my head around that because it makes no sense. I am thinking it is just something unexplainable that helps demonstrate the 10850K is missing something I can't identify that keeps it from ever being a 10900K/KF and that is why Intel made it a 10850K and sold it for less money. It's strange. I don't need to do anything crazy on the work computer, so maybe it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

So, rather than doing it in stages I will try to do it simultaneously to accommodate your request. As long as nothing interferes with the process, I will put the stock 10900K back in the Strix board temporarily to check that for you.

The ASUS has a 240mm, a fat 360mm, dual D5 pumps and a XPSC Raystorm Pro water block.

 

Hey, I would check the power consumption on the 10850K VS your 10900KF as well. When I ran 5.3Ghz on that 10850K it was sub 250 watts.

 

Yeah I feel the same way about this little 11900K. I have no idea what it is. But, It was certainly a double whammy good, with the IMC and all.

This little chip runs in the top 3 fastest 11900K’s on ambient water cooling in the world on 3DMark profile test.

I need to start taking benching more seriously. And get in on some Hwbot.

May do that this weekend.

 

We have plenty of room on the PremaMod HWBOT team if you want to join us. Let me know if you want to and I will send the password in a PM. https://hwbot.org/team/premamod/

I usually don't pay much attention to power consumption. As long as the voltage and temps are under control, I generally look at the power consumption as a byproduct of the other two factors. I actually like seeing insane power draw because more watts is often associated with higher benchmark scores because the CPU is running wild and free, and using as much as it needs to do that without interference.

 

Will probably be too little to tackle AMD's 3D V-Cache Ryzen Refresh (15% increased performance over 5000 series). They should from the beginning put in 10 Pcores + the baby cores for 12900K(KS). 12 gen die is around 35% smaller than Rocket lake. But the greed beat offerering better or best performance. I expect Intel have binned chips (P-cores) for the 12 gen KS already from the start of 12 gen chips.

But Intel 12900KS or even the K chips binned or not will still be the chips on top when the benchers disable half the cores and post it as 8 cores Cpu's to grab max global points on the bot Yep, the new refreshed AMD chips won't touch them if they all run as 8 cores chips.

What is Chip Binning?... and Hitting the Silicon Lottery Jackpot techspot.com

 

I was just referring to your work PC. Less power usage at 5.3 would probably be better for daily workloads. You could run your fans totally silent, low pump speeds and you’ve got 5.3Ghz easy.

Also, rocketlake is temp sensitive. So, low temps and low power has polluted my mind a little lol. I have pulled 550 watts from my last 11900K though lol. Poor thing still couldn’t stabilize AVX 5.3 LOL!


I only look at low power, as a better head start for more frequency, with more power haha. (If that makes sense) Your 10900K has a really good head start BTW! 200 watts at 5.3Ghz is righteous!! You are probably gonna be 250-265 for 5.4Ghz, and 300-315 for 5.5Ghz. Which means your 10900K will more than likely be AVX stable @ 5.5Ghz on ambient water. 10Th Gen can stabilize 350-400 watts pretty easily though. So then you’ve got 5.6 and 5.7Ghz.

 

If they had wanted to go 10 P-cores they would have definitely had to do some binning as some of the 8 core variants are pulling 245-250w and running hot at stock.

That smaller die = smaller surface area to dissipate heat while even on a 10nm fab still having many chips run hot as the sun.

For 5.2 binning they are definitely going to have to pull the creme de la creme from their chips as they will need to not be furnaces.

3 of the 4 I tested were all SP80+ and 1 couldn't do 5.2 at all. Two of the others averaged ~312w on average with one hitting 94 on a 420 AIO and the other thermal throttling. Only the SP90 handled it approaching normal (262w, 82c) which actually puts it right in the neighborhood of a properly running stock chip but it runs that at 5.2 instead. They will need to pluck chips that don't pull a Mack truck and tend to run at lower temps.

If they do a KS version, I think they will go for 5.0 or 5.1 and pump up the E-Cores for a much better multi score as single thread they will still beat AMD or tie at the worst.

Of course I'm the same guy that said Nvidia wouldn't release a 3090TI since I underestimated their greed (and I thought I estimated pretty high!) so what do I know.....

WTF?!?!

 

So I won the Newegg Lottery. Trying to decide if this is worth it:

 

Yep, and they had to reduce the all core boost clocks. Exactly as AMD. 25% more P-cores will do more with lower boost than slightly higher boost with 25% less cores

Not all bins store rubbish
When Intel and others sit down to check the quality of their processors, they set the chips up to run with a set voltage and at a certain clock speed; while the die goes through a range of benchmarks, designed to stress all of the various sections, the amount of electrical power consumed and heat produced are carefully measured.

What they will find is that some chips run exactly as required, whereas others are better or worse.

Some chips may need a higher voltage to be fully stable, other chips' insides may produce too much heat, and likely some simply won't reach the required standards full stop.

If the chips is binned down it could be due it produce too much heat vs. their bin chart (standard). Or they need it to fulfill the orders for 10850K

Lower power consumption due better bin (perfect sample) does not necessarily mean that they'll run colder.

 

All very true. That is why copying someone else's BIOS or XTU or ThrottleStop settings doesn't always produce the same results. Each chip is different in one way or another. If they are similar the settings might work, but there is an equally good chance they will not be ideal.

We have also seen examples of CPUs that do not benefit from lower voltage and some that need more than normal voltage that still overclock like a banshee and turn better benchmark scores than a chip that seems better because it uses less voltage and power.

 

I ended up skipping the Shuffle. I wanted the CL36 modules and the Hero at 600 is just to rich for my blood to end up with the sticks I don't want.

 

I’m tempted to have Evga replace my Z590 Dark. Who wants to deal with all that though.. Face palm.


These broken post codes are terrible. Every Evga board I have owned has had broken post codes.

 

This is the only one I have owned that has this problem. Did the one you bought from me develop an issue later? I never had an issue with the Z490 Dark or X299 Dark.

I am not pleased about it with the Z590 Dark, but I agree that it's not worth the hassle. I might change my mind at some point, but if they are going to send one out that is going to have the same problem it seems rather pointless to bother with it.

 

The Z490 Dark Kingpin was absolutely perfect when I got it from you, it was short lived though, because a few weeks in the debug LED started failing, and then went down hill very quickly just like my Z590 Dark did.

My X299 Dark Debug fell off entirely. I actually had two X299 Dark boards. The Debug LED’s were gone on both lol. My last X299 Dark still had one. So debug was still functional and that one worked perfect. But the left LED was gone entirely. The other one had none at all.

This has been a problem for Evga for a while now apparently.


You’re right though, it’s not worth the hassle. I just wish they worked. Or knew how to fix them my self. I dunno if it’s software related, or hardware related.


I enjoy the features of the board, and it runs out reliably for me. Which is the only reason I deal with it. But it was expensive and failing debug LED’s is not good at all.

 

I wish this, too. I'd prefer that if I could use different LED LCDs that were more durable than whatever EVGA's manufacturer used.

 

I'm looking into getting a little bit of pressure paper to troubleshoot my super uneven core temps on my Ranger right now, do any of you know what stuff I should get? I've been looking but can't really find anything that's not the expensive FujiFilm Prescale.

 

That is the only kind I know of, but you can get a free sample of it from one of the companies that sells it. You want the ultra low pressure version.

They bugged me so much that I wish I had paid for it on Amazon instead of getting a free sample.
https://www.sensorprod.com/fuji-prescale.php
https://www.sensorprod.com/samplerequest.php?Prescale

 

They harassed me as well. Sending emails 1-2 times per day asking how I liked it.. And even nearly a year later, I think he still emails me occasionally asking if I like it lol.

 

Check out this 5.4Ghz 11900K “Tree hugger edition OC”

lol.

SUB 260 watts in Cinebench R15 at 5.4Ghz so far. This is such a fun CPU.

 

@Mr. Fox


Check out this memory profile and timings here. Figured this would be useful for you, with that new 10900K you’ve got. They’re not mine, but I found them recently posted by someone else on OC.net.

 

I was checking to see if my Y-Cruncher 2.5B run was any good. I found a review of someone running an 11900K stock, just for comparison purposes.

(Also, my CPU ran through at only 5.2Ghz not 5.4Ghz. TVB voltage optimization throttled forced me down to x52 due to 1 core hitting 70C. First time ever seeing this, issue. I’m never close to such temps.

Looks like a 28% improvement, at only 5.2Ghz.

I will re-run with TVB Voltage Optimization disabled tomorrow.





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The golden 10900K is dead. One of my cats knocked it off the table. I did not see it and stepped on it and broke it. I don't drink but feel like I need to get drunk.

I'm done.

@electrosoft I will post the screenshots you asked for either later today or tomorrow.

 

OMG. I’m so sorry man. That is terrible.

 

WHOA!

You are having the worst run of luck recently. Starting with the covid and moving onto tech nightmare (5950x, 11900k, Golden 10900k)...

wow, I am SO sorry.

 

Yeah, it is crazy. If I didn't know better I would assume I am cursed. It's not like I am not living right. Maybe nobody should stand very close to me.

 

Damn brother Fox. I am sorry.

Perhaps this is the universe telling you to give this hobby a long break. Yes it is A LOT of fun and provides a lot of personal achievement but at the end of the day, it is a hobby that doesn't bear much fruit outside the overclocking community.

I recommend you still create your overclocking tutorials on YouTube. You could also write guides on your methodology.

Bro, if you need anything, let me know.

 

Sorry this happened. You have had enough unluck now. And it can only go the opposite way. The luck will come back bro Fox. Be you sure.

 

OMG.

 

And if that wasn't enough to kick off my first day of Christmas vacation, my wife fell early this morning (missed the bottom step on her kitchen step stool) and broke her left shoulder in three places. Just got back from spending all morning at the ER with her. So much for having some fun on my week off, LoL. Probably not going to happen. Thankful that it wasn't worse. She could have hit her head or broke her neck or something worse. I'd be lost without her after 35 years of marriage.

 

Testing R15 Extreme with my efficient AVX stable profile of 5.3Ghz all cores on my 11900K.


Chip under load holds 1.349 Volts for all cores at 5.3Ghz during the entire test. Memory is at 4,025Mhz CL14Gear (1)

This chip at 5.3Ghz and 4025 gear 1, uses the same power as my other 11900K running stock with a full bios reset before it’s delid.



227 watts through R15 Extreme 5.3Ghz.

I think if I set 3600-3867 on the memory, with auto IO/SA voltages. I could probably get down to 200 watts. The problem with Rocket Lake is, it is terribly inefficient for only 8 cores.

My SP85 10850K would pull 148 watts stock bios reset before delid. And it was considered just a good chip “for a 10850K especially” however, My 11900K before the delid would also pull around 145 watts stock bios reset, (Considering the facts, this is really terrible) yet it’s considered incredibly good for an 11900K. This is how horribly efficient Rocket lake is. Comet-lake was far better especially considering it has (10) cores.

 

This is very unfortunate. You’ll be in my prayers friend. I hope everything goes ok. We all have bad luck at times. It comes and goes. Everyone is fighting that battle we know nothing about.

I wish your reign of bad luck come to its end.

 

I'd love having a chip like this!

However at this point, it'd be a better to get an 11900K or 12900K since the boost in single core performance would be a lot higher. Man we need the 11900K to be supported in this laptop.

 

Man very sorry to hear about all this misfortune. I hope for a speedy recovery for your wife, glad things didn't end up far worse.



For some reason, when I run this test, my CPU will clock down 100Mhz from 5.2Ghz. I don't have an offset on so not sure why it would do this. Not thermally throttling (yet) and current and power limits are maxed out in BIOS by default.

 

It was awesome. Then I happened to it.

Thank you. Yes it could be worse. Much worse in fact. It's important to keep that in perspective when something tragic occurs, but it's often hard to do that at the time it is happening.

If your BIOS has the setting for VMax Stress try changing that to "disabled" if you haven't already. For a quick test, run ThrottleStop with the VMax Stress box uncheck and see if that fixes it. Load the CPU with the "Limits" window open and see what lights up. If the BIOS setting are right, nothing will ever light up.

Edit: Also disable Ring Downbin if you haven't already. I have seen this drag down the core ratio as well as the ring/cache ratio. If you have settings for HDC and RTH (Race to Halt) both of those cancer options can cause it trying to "save power" for the tree huggers.

 

Life is a series of ebbs and flows and right now you are being tasked with tribulations (John 16:33) but it could be worse as you mention. It puts computer parts into perspective about what will ultimately always be more important. I hope her recovery is speedy and goes well brother.

 

Direct Die 12900k breaking 30k CB23 P54/E41 SP96

 

My 11900K clocks down too. I have no offsets. I think it has something to do with the AVX512. I can cool 5.4Ghz and easily stabilize 5.4Ghz in this Y-Cruncher 2.5B test on my 11900K, but it forces my clocks down to 5.2Ghz each and every time I run it, and I can only pass at 84 seconds. I have no offsets enabled, and I even tried with TVB Voltage optimization disabled/enabled. I was thinking because just 1 of my cores barely hits 70C that was why it is throttling down to 5.2Ghz, thinking the TVB was kicking me down. But, I’m just not sure why. It feels like my CPU has a physical limit for AVX512? It makes no sense at all.


I may try again with BCLK overclocking to try and get down in to the high 70’s.


PS: 84 seconds is 40% faster than a Y-Cruncher 2.5B result from a stock 11900K review. Really makes me wonder where these reviewers get these terrible numbers from lol. It seems like the 11900K would need to run @3.1Ghz to be 40% slower right? So an 11900K running 4.8Ghz with a -17 offset for AVX512 lol. Is this wrong?

 

Here you go. The evidence that it existed. I think this is what you asked for. Because ASUS Optimized Defaults are not Intel Optimized Defaults, I captured both for you.













Zipped images of the above [Download Link]

@Everyone - Thanks for all of the kind words of encouragement. As depressing as the accident with the CPU is/was/continues to be, I know it is nothing in the grand scheme of things. Life goes on. I appreciate the thoughts and prayers for my wife. She is "OK" (obviously in pain) and will be scheduling a consultation with an orthopedic surgeon when their office opens tomorrow. We have her arm immobilized with a sling and she is on some pretty hardcore narcotics to help with the pain. She is being entertained by 6 of our 9 grandkids right now, so her mind is occupied by something other than yesterday's accident.

I hope all of you have a wonderful Christmas. I am thankful that God blessed me with all of you as friends.

 

I only have 2x8GB sticks in my system atm (the other 2x8 are in the Z590 Hero), so I could only run 1b but I didn't throttle down and stuck to 5.2 during the entire (albeit shorter) run.