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2x8GB for Y-crunsher 2.5b run (sometimes it fail to initialize with minimum ram) https://hwbot.org/submission/4875376_papusan_y_cruncher___pi_2.5b_ryzen_7_5800u_3min_30sec_588ms

 

I started testing the (-75% less) V-Droop option with my Z590 Dark motherboard. And, this option is fantastic!!!

Anyone on a Z590 Dark motherboard needs to try -75% Vdroop. It works so well.

 

Very true, there were elements in my own life when I was younger that, had I not been exposed to and consider that exact position that I would in all likelihood not be here today.

That all being said, unless your wife has an elastic sense of humor I probably would let the doctor be the one to make that announcement lol

I lack faith, but any positive vibes I can send your way are en route!

 

Hey everyone, so I was thinking.

Since I have a 3090 Kingpin Hydro Copper, and it’s runs pretty cool and efficient. I have thought about mining with it in my down time, and over night as well.

Ive read a standard 3090 can do about $5-$7 dollars per day. This cards memory easily overclocks +1,500-1,600 range. And can be undervolted very well to reduce power consumption drastically.


What are the best ways to use a 3090KP for mining?

 

Target 120Mh/s, 300 watts or below. Go with what ever mining pool you like. TREX miner works well for me.

Lots of people use Nicehash, I dont use it personally though.

 

Overclocking the core doesn't really do anything for mining. Overclocking the memory does, but it will cook the memory silicon running the 3090's GDDR6 running it stock. You won't need your heater and running the system next to an open window now that it's cold outside will help. I used to use Nicehash for mining. I made some fairly decent money, but you can expect a higher electric bill. Depending on how much your utility company charges per kW/hr it may not be quite as profitable as it seems at first blush.

 

When you pick up three rando 12900k's to test the validity of the SP system (thinking it is a waste initially) and score an SP102 (P-Cores = 113) and the SP scoring system aligns with your binning runs on an MSI board:

 

I tested my 11900K with the (5.2Ghz) silicon lottery binning settings. And my CPU passes, which is pretty cool.

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So, silicon lottery says only the top 2% of their tested 11900K’s can run this configuration.

5.3Ghz set for (4) cores
5.2Ghz set for (8) cores
(-1) AVX2 offset
(-1) AVX512 offset

(Auto load line in bios)
(1.330V is to be set in bios)


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The strange thing is, silicon lottery never even sold the 5.2Ghz bin. Their highest model was the 5.1Ghz strangely enough.


Anyways, I thought this was cool. I know there is variation within motherboards etc. However, I remember testing my 7980XE and it failed miserably. I landed somewhere in the top 68-70% with it.


I know some people consider probably all of the 11900K sample can run 5.2Ghz. But, I guess the question is, how many can run 5.2-5.3 at 1.330V auto LLC?


I tried to reduce voltage to 1.310 (And I got a BSOD under heavy AVX load. (5.3Ghz voltage cannot go but so low under AVX loads)

I asked silicon lottery about this, and it’s pretty clear cut. They also said the 1.330V is for “bios only” with “Auto LLC only” and load voltage can reach up to 1.525V under heavy AVX512 loads and depending chip variation (REALLY HIGH).

LLC must be set on auto. This was how they binned their CPU’s top 2%. You could still get a bad CPU too though, which @electrosoft mentioned they could potentially have bad cores, or may not run 5.3 all cores. Or may not run higher than 5.3Ghz, the. Then we have IMC quality as well lol.

 

I would like too see how those chips scale with higher clock speed if you have top notch cooling (where the chips land).

Did you use your huge custom radiator? SL me think use more standard cooling in their binning. 240mm AIO isn't exactly the top crop


https://siliconlottery.com/pages/intel-rocket-lake

 

Honestly, Rocket lake is picky. They either do it, or they don’t. My other 11900K needs 1.470-1.500V on my cooling to consider passing with (4 cores 5.3) (8 cores 5.2)


@electrosoft had better temps, and lower power consumption than me. And he was running an AIO.



I would rather have my current 11900K on a 240MM AIO, then my other 11900K with a water chiller and massive radiator and multiple pumps. But that’s how Rocket lake is, these chips just won’t do it. AIO, or massive custom loop. Their flaws shine right though.

 

@Mr. Fox

I have a lead on a SP114 10900K he is in USA too.

 

If @Mr. Fox doesn't want it, I would be interested (unless it's crazy priced).

 

It would be interesting to see with exotic cooling (Pelt, ln2) where these bins pan out when temps take a back seat to a degree and you can slam much more vcore down the chips throat. For mere mortals who run anything from air up to custom water, SP rating / silicon quality has much higher weight since they tend to correlate somewhat to temps......although as I saw with my limited data set that SP89 ran like an SP80ish while the SP82 ran like you would think an SP89+ would.

SP rating definitely has merit but it isn't the be all of all. I would never just arbitrarily pop a chip in, get an SP80 range reading and immediately remove it and put it in the get rid of pile. I would still want to do some basic testing from stock up to 5.3. Same as I've always done even before SP was a thing.

As for SL, that is true. They are using much more earthbound cooling means and no direct die of course or delidding of any sort. In regards to AIO, the quality varies. An Arctic 120mm AIO cools as well as many 240mm AIOs on the market (liquid temp saturation ignored) and their 240mm outclasses some 360mm. I do not know which model they use specifically for their testing.

I know testing my EVGA CLC 360 vs my Arctic 420 there wasn't much of a difference once you're past ~300w. They give up the ghost pretty quickly and some tests I ran first thing on a cooler morning and it was good for one or two runs and that was it.

I think the Arctic 420 is slightly overrated and the EVGA CLC 360 is slightly underrated.

 

Your current 11900k is so much better than your former chip that it could actually be usable on a 240mm even with a decent OC. I'm still waiting to see that SP rating.

 

I am curious my self. It is such a stupendously good sample. Though, I feel if I’m buying another motherboard it’s probably gonna be an Asus Z690 hero.


Also, the guy with the SP114 10900K seems sentimental about it. Not sure if he is actually gonna sale it. It’s definitely a winner though. It runs 5.4Ghz on R23 with a “max load voltage” of 1.323 on a little Mini ITX board, temps are around 70C and 260 watts. He just has a 200MM radiator on a custom loop from what he has told me. And I did see a screenshot of HWinfo. It’s definitely “Golden”

He won’t give me a price to buy it at all. I think he knows it’s a depreciating item with 12th becoming more known in the wild.

Anymore than $600 wouldn’t make sense, because really any $400 dollar 12700K would put it in its place.

 

Z690 Hero is a good place product wise but not cheap. I would maybe bite in a combo on Newegg but eBay prices on DDR5 are falling fast which means S/D is approaching equilibrium.

I can understand being sentimental but they are two generations old and $600 is right at the breaking point (if not lower) for myself. It would be a fun play chip for the X170SM considering it does @ 5.4 what my "binned" chip does at 5.1 (~1.3v).

 

Yep, it’s actually an (SP116) 10900K. And he finally said what he wanted for it lol, he is asking $850, but just messaged me again and said. “I’m sure we could work something out” so I have no idea what he really wants for it. He just won’t tell me.

Anyways, yea it definitely runs 5.4Ghz at 1.323V. And that’s it’s maximum load voltage. With the cache at x48

 

Yeah binned chips are fun and all, but for the price I'd rather get a next gen chip and get a significantly higher performance boost while also paying significantly less.

Binned chips are awesome if you win the silicon lottery with a random retail sample. Not so much when you have to pay significantly over MSRP for them. I'm fine with a linear increase in price to match the increase in processing power (5.4 GHz to 5.7 GHz is only a 5.5% increase), but I'm not a fan of paying an exorbitant amount of money for a small increase over what I can already achieve.

Fingers crossed for new true DTRs in the future. I don't really want to go back to desktops full time, but I will if I have to. DTRs are awesome!

 

For 12th gen it would be a binning project for a laptop especially with that massive variance and "standard" pull at stock with some chips pulling ~250w and running hot even with a decent SP like the SP89 I tested.

Normal overclocking (especially in laptops) has always been a massive exercise in diminishing returns and cost for binned chips rarely if ever correlate to cost paid. For laptops I always look at it cost vs cooler/quieter running at stock for daily driver status with frequent trips into overclocking especially single or lower thread clocks.

Of course with 12900ks chips basically all but confirmed to be coming next year you can at least remove some of the guess work but that still doesn't guarantee it won't run hot and heavy at stock. You just know it will ramp up to 5.2 fairly reasonably. I hope Clevo doesn't abandon the Intel true DTR market but I also understand it comes down to hard numbers amongst the bean counters.

 

This 10900K 116SP is amazing to own for sure, same for any 100SP esp for me who likes only Air cooling for that low voltages and stable Cache ring ratio at low voltages or hating E cores and whole ADL (Like myself DDR5 beta testing, new socket shenanigans, Windows 7) or the DTR Clevo only space.

However the asking price is so high, we can build an ADL machine for that cost pair it with an i5 12600K and it will be beating a 10700K for games and production workloads flat out with DDR4 motherboard and reaches to a 10850K-10900K level for games. Plus we can get it on even basic Air cooler than DH15 and OC on top. Also as @Papusan mentioned even at 5.7GHz this won't net anything for more points as it will get beaten by an i7 ADL processor with mediocre Overclock. Or we can simply get the 10900K brand new in box factory sealed, B&H got it for $440 now, dropped from $460, I think it's still expensive for a 2 year old product but that's how Intel makes profit they cannot drop a K top tier binned silicon past that cost, $350 10900K would be a steal imagine fully unlocked binned 10C20T processor which does almost everything that any Desktop top tier processor can do at 90% or more including 5950X and 12900K and pairing it with a $200 Z590.

Also gaming is the lowest point of workloads tbh, any CPU can do most of the gaming work be it AMD or Intel's both 2019-2020 processors.

Intel bins a lot and from what we've seen from your / Mr. Fox golden 10850K sample there's definitely a lot of silicon engineering in the mix that made the that die get knocked off from the 10900K class, so any 10900K should be a good CPU product that will last for a decade+, heck people got that Sandy Bridge i7's still !! I love how DIY socketed x86 computers are, they are basically bulletproof and stand against the test of time unlike smartphone and BGA garbage. I mentioned it, anyways again. The new games need latest SSE and old CPUs like Core2Quad should be dead but nope, if you know where to look the .exe can be patched to make them run the code. Rest of the applications on Win32 x86 we do not have any issues, even Windows 7, A 12 year old OS. Runs everything better than Windows 11.

I want to clarify, for real talented folks we have here it would definitely be a "Fun" experience with high SP chips, and also a great silicon to own for most of us, basically the top end of the top end of that particular era to remind when we want to look back in the future.

Also check this out

 

Yeah I’m totally with this thinking here. See, I just love testing processors. It’s so fun!! Even if they’re not the fastest processors in the world, or the most current generation, it’s just fun seeing what they can do.

But yes, we have reached a point of negligible return on performance.


Never thought I’d find my self with an 8/16 CPU, and not really care about upgrading it.

 

Oh, and Amazon does have retail 10900KF’s for $437 shipped!

^ This is a great buy.

 

What do you guys think about this? This is really the top tier model, one step below the Asus Maximus Extreme.


Asus Z490 Formula brand new for $315


https://www.ebay.com/itm/144339041611?epid=3038252617&hash=item219b46fd4b:g:slQAAOSwfSFhwOnv

 

Will try to make this as quick as possible, but I went to help a friend repaste his 980ti and it is heavily artifacting after putting it together (It cant even boot into Windows). We tore it down and it seems mounting pressure isn't an issue as we still get artifacts after reducing the mounting pressure. What could be wrong? I really hope we didn't screw anything up that can't be fixed

 

Artifacting with no load is a gpu's swan song.

What I used to do in the past is toss it in the oven for a specified time and temperature but last I did that was HD 6xxx Era. I don't know if things are different now VS back then.

Vram dying is likely culprit, but I would wait for more informed opinions to chime in.

 

Yeah, but the card had been working perfectly fine right before we repasted it. I had my friend run Unigine Heaven to get before re-paste temps and he said everything was fine. I will say though, we took the whole bracket/heatsink assembly off of the card. Like, we unscrewed it so that the PCB would come off from the whole cooler. (He has an FE card.)

I know most tutorials say to take the heatsink off, and then take the plate for the VRAM/VRM's off, could this be the problem?

 

Merry Christmas to you all. And have a happy New Year Lille Julaften today and the Christmas tree is about to be decorated by my dear little daughter. And of course with some nice Christmas music in the background

 

If you're going to spend that much, get a Z590. No way I'm dropping $300+ on a two generations old chipset motherboard. I even balked for a second dropping $282 shipped for my Z590 M13 Hero and still think about sending it back before the window closes.

Hopefully you didn't overtighten the screws out of sequence (Fully tighten screw #1, then fully tighten screw #2 vs partials all around) first time and crack the PCB somewhere.

Take it entirely apart, clean the entire card / hit it with compressed air and upload a picture. Double check VRM and supporting cooling then put it back together with minimal pairing pressure and try again.

 

What kind of paste? Did you replace the thermal pads? Are all of the screws present?

 

Merry Xmas brother!

What? No Tony Bennett?!

 

I’m torn between a Z590 Hero and Z590 Apex open box.

I figured if I’m gonna grab another Z590 board, I may as well get a good one. Hero/Apex etc.

How was the condition of your open box M13 Hero?

I found a M13 Apex, and it is like $347. And, I’ve also got an Amazon gift card (I don’t even know how) so I can get it for about $300 bucks.

 

When re-assembling the first time, I screwed down the top left screw all of the way, and then did the bottom right screw all of the way, and then bottom left all of the way, and then top right right all of the way.

My friend will be dropping off the card later today, I'll take some pictures for everyone to see.

Last night before I left, I disassembled the card again, and screwed in the 4 main heatsink screws, and the 4 smaller screws that go in between the heatsink screws, I didn't tighten them very much, but enough to where it seemed the VRAM and die were making a little bit of contact, but artifacting still happened .

NT-H1.

No, the card still has the stock thermal pads.

Yes, all of the screws were present after re-assembling the card for the first time.

 

Amazon Warehouse is very hit or miss. I've learned to basically expect the description to never match. Mine was listed as, "Acceptable"



But when I received it, it was basically brand new and included everything (down to the stickers) and was in perfect condition.

I can return it all the way till January 31st so that's nice.

On the other hand, I've purchased items from the Warehouse that said they were like new and showed up absolutely wrecked or not working. With the Amazon Warehouse I've had more duds than wins.

Usually you end up with a giftcard when you returned something or get a credit and they apply to your gift balance versus your original payment source.

 

When you screw in this way you cause undue stress (along with potential pairing equilibrium issues) on the PCB. Always screw down one or two turns, go diagonal, one or two turns, any corner untouched one or two, diagonal from it one or two turns...rinse/repeat. It allows the thermal paste to spread as equally as possible and doesn't put excessive stress trying to lock down the other diagonal retention screw.

I'm a big, strong dude so I tend to let the screw driver "float" in my hand when locking down screws till my hand will move around the handle on its own as a safety measure to not over tighten or strip the head/damage the bit.

 

Welp, I can see the potential problem here better. I watched a bunch of videos beforehand of FE cards being torn down, and it seemed everyone did one screw in one corner quite a bit then did one on the other corner quite a bit too. I was a bit skeptical of doing it that way as I know that's not the optimal way of screwing things down, but it seems my gut instinct could have potentially pulled me out of this situation...

 

Here is one that I had not seen before. https://gravitymark.tellusim.com/
Leaderboards:
All API (Overall) - https://gravitymark.tellusim.com/leaderboard/
Vulkan API - https://gravitymark.tellusim.com/leaderboard/?api=vk
OpenGL API - https://gravitymark.tellusim.com/leaderboard/?api=gl
DX11 API - https://gravitymark.tellusim.com/leaderboard/?api=d3d11
DX12 API - https://gravitymark.tellusim.com/leaderboard/?api=d3d12

Spoiler: Results - RTX 2080 Ti FTW3

Spoiler: Results - RTX 3090 KPE

 

Alright, I got the card, and here are some pictures. My phone's camera isn't very good, and these are the best pictures I can get:

Spoiler: 980ti

I have pictures of the backside of the PCB, but it's too large to send with these images, let me know if any of you need the backside of the PCB.

 

I wonder if we will see more sad stories in the Christmas Holiday.
ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 HERO Motherboards Might Have A Serious Defect, Several Reports of Boards Burning Up

Now this isn't confirmed yet and ASUS does have a QVL for their ROG Maximus Z690 HERO board mentioned on their site for users to check before purchasing or installing any specific memory kit but regardless of that, an unsupported memory kit shouldn't cause any motherboards to end up in flames. There are some reports that the 8011 BIOS for the motherboard greatly improves memory stability and leads to less QCODE 53 & orange light of death issues but whether this is a permanent fix or an intermediate solution needs to be investigated. We will pass this information to ASUS and see what they have to say on the matter.

 

My debug led doesn’t work on my Z590 hardly at all. I guess it could be far worse lol

 

Check out Beast Canyon. This is an incredibly cool Mini ITX build.


It is not bad at all for $1,999 USD.

11900KB/32GB/1TB M.2/RTX3060



https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali589/p...=Rtx3060&cm_re=Rtx3060-_-83-360-224-_-Product




what is the size of my desktop

 

No thanks. I don't support BGA in any shape or form above $300. And this deal don't come with 32GB ram. 2x8GB so-dimm you may be able to sell togeter with the graphics card. This $2000 deal = e-waste

Where it belongs...

 

Deja vu. I wonder if ASUS tried telling the owner it was "not covered' under warranty like they tried to pull with me when mine caught fire?

 

The road to hell is paved with compromise. A little bit of leaven... Once you open the door and embrace the sin, it grows. BGA will always be filth. It has no place in turdbooks, so it sure as hell has no place in a "desktop" turdbox. Broad is the path that leads to destruction, and there are many that travel down it.

 

Yikes. Since these are all recent reports, I am going to assume somebody got sloppy at the factory trying to keep up with demand. I and plenty of others have been using the Hero board since launch without issue. I've swapped between ram kits, and overclocked my RAM and CPU without issue. Have had the early launch BIOS, and plenty of variations of official and beta BIOS in between, again all without issue. But TBH this won't make me sleep any easier at night reading stories about fires with motherboards. Maybe I'll be making sure to shut the rig down at night more often.

I RMA'd an Asus Hero 590 for an issue that I now know was most certainly the damn GPU issue I experiencing recently. RMA was accepted without question, and they sent me a brand new board back within a couple days of getting my board. Their customer service didn't reach out to me at all. Just simply sent a new board back with new serial #. Maybe I just got lucky though.

 

Dang! That really sucks.. It is BGA! I thought it was really cool at first, until I see that it’s not an 11900K at all. Not only is it BGA, but it’s a totally different CPU, and totally different CPU architecture entirely. The 11900KB is 10nm and nothing like a 11900K. To make things even worse, “Beast Canyon” forces Gear 2 for even just DDR4 3200 which is not good at all. The cpu is also only 65 watts. My 11900K would obliterate this thing.

What I don’t understand is, why not just use a regular 11900K in something that size? They could easily pull it off. What a waste of time creating some “Intel NUC specific BGA variant that cannot hold a candle to the real desktop 11900K”


How cool it would be if it was just a LGA1200 Mini-ITX. (Not sure why it’s not, that seems so much easier)

 

And, you would cool it... how? It doesn't look like it has enough space to accommodate anything awesome. Your 11900K would totally obliterate it in more than one way, including not good ways (thermal and power delivery).

 

Well, I guess that would be the fun part lol.

We put 10900K/11900K’s in laptops, so It would be possible. Also, I’d hope Intel would use the better 11900K’s that pulls SUB 150 watts stock 4.8Ghz, instead of the poor samples that pulls 220+ stock 4.8Ghz. Maybe market it as a 11900KS.

The Corsair H80i equivalent with some sort of Fancy TEC/cooler integrated in may work ok.

There was a guy on the internet with a 11600K (SP29) it called for around 1.7V for just like 4.9Ghz lol. Nothing like that would work out too well.

 

That's really great and I hope it is an indicator that they have made a deliberate effort to improve upon their horrid support, customer care and painfully slow warranty service. They really need to think about having an advance RMA program like EVGA does. They offer that only on their server desktop boards, but not on the ROG and other entertainment-focused products. My past few experiences with them made me regretful about purchasing their products. In every case it was resolved, but the experience was never swift or pleasant. In each case, there was a great deal of inconvenience relating to their slowness. I would like nothing better than for them to begin to behave like EVGA. As a general rule they make really decent and desirable desktop components and it's a shame to tarnish the ownership experience and give customers a reason for hesitation where an after sale experience is concerned.

 

They would really have to pick specific examples not only pull but with 11th (and 12th) temps are a major concern. A chip can pull low but still run warm or pull higher and run relatively cool. This type of system won't be sitting there open benched, delidded on EVGA excellence getting direct die treatment unfortunately.

Over in the X170KM forums you can see the fallout from the variance as undervolts quickly reveal the quality of your silicon (in conjunction with the mainboard quality too and cooling) as you can dial in an undervolt up to -200 depending on silicon quality and even then it may be a hot box. When (if?) Prema comes to the X170KM, you're not going to over come a hot and hungry chip and suboptimal cooling with BIOS settings.

Wow, 11600k SP29 needing 1.7v @ 4.9?!?! I mean that is a 300mhz OC over stock 4.6 all core but still.....yikes.

 

It is so horrible that it almost makes me wonder if it is made up story. It is unbelievably bad. Assuming it were real, that kind of rubbish sample never should have made it past the garbage pail. Having trash like that in circulation does nothing for the unfortunate sucker that purchased it, and causes harm to the Intel brand.