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11600K is not the best bin. 11700K is also a terrible sample as well. (But better)

The 11700K is a fantastic value for running stock, or a tuned setup for gaming. The 11700K is only $300 bucks, and you can easily beat a stock 10900K with one setup correctly with just mild optimization.

However, they won’t compete with a tuned up overclocked 10900K outside of gaming.


But, yes SP29 is pretty bad.This is the 11600K (SP29) that calls for 1.658V at only 4.9Ghz AVX. Take a look at the bios voltage. 3.9Ghz base clock at 1.225 volts.

Pure crap silicon at its finest. However, it is an 11600K. So it’s not intended to be anything special.

 

Alright, after some more testing, I think the card is dead .

What is strange though is the card showed similar issues to what these 2 people have reported with their 980ti's:
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1084575-gtx-980-ti-artifacting/
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/artifacts-at-higher-resolutions.3434409/

The card doesn't artifact at resolutions below 720p, and the artifacts tend to be on the upper 2/3 of the display at higher resolutions. I have tried installing drivers 472.12 and 381.65, and they both seemed to install fine, but device manager shows a code 43 with both driver versions .

I have tested all of the display outputs besides DVI, and they all gave the same artifacting, so I know it isn't the cables or the display outputs.

Any other tips or ideas would be appreciated, I'd like to see if I could pump some more life into this card as my friend really doesn't want to pay outrageous prices for a new GPU, and I don't blame him.

 

Ok ok ok. Enough with the sissy girl low power runs. High cache needs high voltage.

Crank up the voltage, crank up the load line, and increase that PWM switching frequency.

This is 5.4Ghz/4.6Ghz Ring/Cache
(4000 Gear (1) CL14-14-14-30)

Based on how good this cpu is responding to a 4.6Ghz cache, I might just get 4.7Ghz cache/ring.

The memory latency is in the 35NS range now. This CPU is right at home with settings like this daily 24/7.

 

Do you know how to flash vBios? Now a repaste should never cause a corrupt vBios and it does sound a lot like bad VRAM, but reflashing couldn't hurt*

There are a lot of guides out there on flashing vBios. I think Mr. Fox has one.

 

I've flashed vBIOS's before, but I think the issue is entirely VRAM.

I went into a rabbit hole after my post above, and found a program called MATS that checks the VRAM on a card and will tell you which chip, if any, is giving errors. I put the program on a USB drive and booted from it, and MATS ran its test. I then booted into Windows, and the report said that memory chip E0 was giving large amounts of incorrect writes.

Circled below is memory chip E0:


I still probably need to take a multimeter to the card, just to ensure the problem isn't being caused by a bad VRM or something, but I don't have one, so I'll probably buy one in the next few days.

If I have some time, I'll probably flash another vBIOS to the card as it doesn't hurt to shut down any potential problems.

 

A bad memory chip would explain the artifacting if lower resolutions that allocate lesser memory don't access that bank.

It could have been coincidental or static electricity or a short somewhere.

You could run MSI AB and use on screen to see at what memory usage / allocation point the artifacts kick in to somewhat confirm the problem.

What does the back of the card look like?

 

Imagine having a filthy turdbook with a crap CPU sample like that welded to the mobo, and the futility of trying to convince the OEM that sold you the piece of trash that is not normal or acceptable, or getting them to actually care enough to do something about it. You'd likely end up stuck with it. Nobody would be willing to waste their money buying it if you disclosed that it was a pile of garbage. And, if you didn't disclose it, you'd have to live with the man in the mirror. Other than the people that exchanged your money for rubbish, nobody wins.

 

Can Afterburner get readings if drivers aren't installed/initialized? I know GPU-Z can't get any memory readings after I install the driver, but that may be because the drivers get a code 43 every time.

Here's a "decent" pic of the back of the card, I looked over the card again today and didn't really see anything wrong:

 

I must have missed the part with Code 43. I was under the assumption drivers installed snd worked fine but it was during gaming sessions you would experience artifacts depending on resolution snd vram usage.

 

It might be a waste of time, but if you haven't already done so, you might try installing a driver that is at least a year or two old. I've had some pretty icky experiences with the Green Goblin's driver genocide involving older GPUs that they don't want people to continue using (since they don't make money if they do). It is certainly not beneath them to perform evil shenanigans when doing so is to their benefit. I mean, might as well since the Redmond Retards (their devil daddy) does it, too.

 

Blessings to all of you guys and your families. May the Reason for the Season bring joy and peace this Christmas, health and happiness throughout the coming year.

 

For some weird reason, this video made me feel good, LOL. Probably the way he rag-dolled the defective MSI mobo, but the verbal slam on ASUS was almost as gratifying.

 

Merry Christmas to all, hope everyone is having peaceful and happy time !!


Luumi got his 12900K video up, with Z690 Dark KP, he mentions how the new Platform has finally been competitive with more cores from the 11th gen and also he focuses more on how temps are very important for this new ADL Processor family. Plus he is going to explore more on the lapping and delidding.



Also he simply destroys all these youtubers lol, with this superb device for measuring power with his 10900K and Z490 Dark.

But I fear all these reviewers will whine even more saying omg it's guzzling down the power it's too bad, PL2 is what Intel told us and this is bad, it's going to ruin everything all the while they do not realize they are running a K series top of the line binned silicon processor which they get from Intel most of the times these are probably good bins on top and run them at pathetic Tau and PL2 locks, at that point why not throw the CPU and get a BGA garbage computer and run it at cTDP and enjoy it

 

I just don’t understand why he has a Z690 Dark KP. And I don’t…

 

All of the numb-nuts on YouTube that like to whine and moan just need to get over their irrational weirdness about power draw. The CPU should use how much it needs to get the job done. If it is a lot, it is a lot. If not, then not. Whoopty-doo. Why give a rat's butt, as long as it runs like a bat out of hell? I think some of them have been corrupted by castrated laptops for so long they have irreversible brain damage.

 

Probably because he is Luumi and we are not. Peasants like us get the good stuff when we get it. If we do.

 

Would a 1/3HP water chiller be enough for my 11900K and 3090KP?

 

My 1/2 HP just barely gets cold enough. A 3/4 or 1.0HP would be better.

While this seems expensive, when you consider that it is a one-time upgrade that spans multiple hardware generations it is actually inexpensive. I would not recommend a 1/3 HP. Probably won't get cold enough.

https://www.performance-pcs.com/wat...tt-cooling-capacity-waterchiller-hc-500a.html

 

I found a 1HP for $250, and $40 or so shipping. It is used, and a little banged up looking. It looks identical to yours, but is is white and 1HP in size.


The seller only has 7 feedback though. So I’m not too confident about it.

It is the HydroFarm AACH100 1HP.

 

This is my NEW daily profile. Stable as a rock! This 11900k RIPS!!!


5.5Ghz all cores, 4.6Ghz cache/ring
4004Mhz Gear (1) CL14-14-14-30

(Gaming Obliteration)

 

Merry Christmas everyone!
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/26862094

 

Nice! Good to see ya @Johnksss !

What memory sticks? What SP rating?

 

Usually when I see Luumi, Cens and a few others pop up with EVGA Dark boards I know the official release is sooner than later. I use it as a measuring stick.

 

Looks like EVGA may have went with different LED readouts with the Z690:

 

I wish they would have thought of that sooner. It doesn't help those that are not planning to jump on the Z690 bandwagon. But, I am glad they're not using the defective parts they have used in the past. I'd RMA my Z590 Dark if it were likely the replacement had better LED parts, but there is no point in bothering if the replacement is going to include the same defective LCD LED parts. If they were socket mounted it would be a lot easier. You could just snap in new LCD LED panels.

 

I purchased a Water Chiller!!!


I found a listing on eBay for a 1/2 HP water chiller for $250. Well, the item listed is actually a 1HP water chiller.

So, be prepared for some insane temps
coming soon everyone.


This is what I purchased.


https://www.amazon.com/Hydrofarm-Active-Aqua-Chiller-10/dp/B00CJ2S306?th=1

I have confirmed the item in the photo is what I will be receiving. So 1HP water chiller in route.

 

I feel like it’s almost something that controls the LED that is going bad. I can see and get different results depending on the bios, or debug led settings. I feel like the LED works, it whatever tells it to display something is just a massive failure.

Since I’m riding out on 11th I may swap mine out.

 

That is awesome bro, congrats!

You're officially in the big league chiiler mo-ra league now.

 

Memory is garbage out the door. G.Skills Trident Z5 5600. They do not run XMP without 5000 Errors.
SP89

 

I haven't seen too much on the G,Skill 5600 sticks mainly their 6000+ line. I'm waiting on their CL36 sticks since I doubt I'll ever find any Team Force high end sticks anytime soon. Good to know the lower tiered stuff is living up to its pricing/ranking.

 

I have wanted one for a while. But the prices are really expensive. And I’m uncertain how I’m gonna like it. Ideally, I want to run it daily and lock my temps where condensation does not develop, or right above the dew point. Fortunately, we have members on here who own chillers, and I can ask questions and learn as I go. It’s amazing how such a small difference in +/- C in water temps can have such a drastic difference in the temperature of your actual components.

 

Assuming those are CL36 sticks, they should run 6000 around CL32 without error with proper voltages. I don't think there is much difference between the 6000 and 5600 sticks from what I've read/seen from others with the kits.

Did you update your Extreme board BIOS? What is your MC, SA, VDD/VDDQ set to?

I'm on Hero 0811 BIOS (latest) at 6000 CL32 with following voltages:

IMC VDD 1.2v BIOS
IVR VCCSA 1.15v BIOS --- This is set way too high by default/auto/xmp. I think mine was set to 1.275v. Others have also found lower is much better for stability. Mine is actually still too high but haven't had the time to go back and test lower yet.
VDD 1.375v BIOS
VDDQ 1.375v BIOS
IVR Transmitter VDDQ Voltage 1.35v BIOS

 

I have not done in voltage tinkering. Just set it and go and it didn't work. So lowered it and it went with out errors. (for now anyways)

Thanks, I'll check it out when i get some time here.

 

To all Matrix fans, I have one important suggestion. Please do not watch the new Matrix Resurrections. Not even pirated copy. What I said in my old post is 100% true and it's far worse than I imagined, this is not Matrix movie to me, it's a B grade cheap movie, I think personally never seen such a low b

It's gutter trash. It will ruin your memories. The plot I read, it was the same but since the plot leak was not 100%, the new story points I watched are even more horrible. It is on par with Feminator Woke Fate (that garbage movie has weakest Terminator of all times and the action was horrible, same here) personally and just like the new Star Wars Trilogy. They simply made this movie for a quick cash grab, I was trying to find what was the budget, it's nowhere to be found. I think it's around the Joker movie budget, under 60M. I presume that excuse of Hugo Weaving having scheduling conflict is a joke, they couldn't afford him probably or maybe both Lawrence Fishburne and Hugo rejected this script.

Action scenes are non - existent. These scenes do not quality for "action".
Characters brought back are reduced to ashes (Morpheus, Neo, Smith, Merovingian, Trinity), better I not speak about new ones.
CGI is horrendous, very cheap. Sometimes it look fine but most of the time it's very bad.
Tongue in cheek shoving of original Matrix scenes constantly damaging more.
The Green Tint and Blue Tint are gone, the stylish glasses and the robes of Matrix are gone.
Dialogues are cringe to maximum do not make sense at all, political interjection all over..
Agents do not make sense, their power balance is garbage, their acting is garbage and the whole movie has Plot holes the size of Black Holes.
Screenplay, Cinematography and Sets all are D class.

Third Act made me laugh and feel miserable.

To be honest, I lost respect for Keanu Reeves. I don't get why he agreed to this movie. WB is really shameless, how can such a multi billion dollar corporation give a green light to such horrible script. I had to re-watch the top scenes from the originals and listen to the old tracks by Don Davis to erase it from my memory.

Just watch these beautifully choreographed fights, they are timeless. And in the new movie there's not a single one like these, Neo vs Morpheus one in the new one is very poor, the new guy is a literal clown replacement.








They ruined one of the most prolific iconic sci-fi masterpiece IP. Just like Terminator (this happened under Paramount). Both my childhood memories simply ruined to sell an agenda and cash in on nostalgia. Look at IMDB rating, check out 1 star reviews. They will speak truth. On top the director is against "Red Pill" since it was hijacked by some politics as per them. WTF ?

Please do yourself a favor and do not watch it. This movie is devoid of Art & Passion.

 

I think I finally got the single rank sticks where I want them. I don't think these dual rank G.SKILL sticks are that great. They have exactly the same Samsung B-die IC part number, but they seem to not be binned as favorably as the same chips on the G.SKILL single rank and Patriot Viper single rank modules.

Anyhoo... I think I am going to lock it down right here.



The IMC on the 10850K isn't quite as stout at the 10900KF. I have to drop the memory clock by 100MHz to avoid TM5 errors. Not as good, but still good.

 

That latency and bandwidth is insane with 10th Gen on Z590 Dark. Also, dual rank sticks at 4500 is very stout.

 

@Talon

I changed bios on my 3090KP from the 520LN2 KP bios, over to the stock bios KP bios “Switch furthest to the right”. And I noticed better 0.1% lows and more consistent, and smoother performance in BF2042. It felt far better. (Not sure why)


Anyways, just figured I’d share. It was noticeably smoother, and the card was running bone stock on either bios.

 

I thought you guys might like this. I noticed that memory stability is very thermally sensitive. My memory tests would pass with flying colors when my ambients were low and the memory chips stay under about 45°C, but around that temperature and higher, they would start throwing errors with TM5. The Patriot Viper Blackout modules have no thermal sensors, so I could not validate this with those modules, but they also have very thick and heavy cast aluminum heat sinks. They seldom errored out like the G.SKILLs do, but the G.SKILL Ripjaws V heat sinks are very thin and flimsy. This was never an issue running 4000MHz, but pushing 4500 with close to 1.600V it was.

I think I showed you guys those funky-looking heat sinks before. While they did the job well, I just didn't care for how they looked. They were very "90's" tacky geek looking... not very sleek. So, I founds some "RAM Jackets" for liquid cooling on eBay and built my own heat sinks for them. I really like how they turned out. I cut the aluminum finned heat sinks to the correct lengths and drilled holes for the screws intended for mounting a water block. I put a 1.0mm Gelid 12 w/mK pad between the jackets and heat sink. This has dropped the temps more than 12°C under stress and TM5 errors are no more.

I need to trim the thermal pad back so it is not visible. After tightening the screws, the pad has compressed and is just a tad wider than it was when I cut them to fit the aluminum finned plate.

Parts: https://www.ebay.com/itm/184715661103 and https://www.ebay.com/itm/183291442330

Thank you. It is nice to see such great performance. However, this is not with the dual rank modules. My dual rank 32GB kit is not binned well enough for that. So far, I can't get them to boot above 4200MHz regardless of the voltage or how sloppy loose timings I try. They do run great at 4200 CL16, but that seems to be the limit of their functional capability. Those 4500MHz results I posted are with the nicely binned G.SKILL Ripjaws V single rank 16GB kit rated for 4000 CL15.

It's great seeing you in the forum again, Brother John. You have been missed, my friend.

 

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Physics Only: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/14764504

#1 worldwide for 10900KF + 3090

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/26867399

 

Those heat sinks look interesting, where did you get those from?

 

no Fishburne or Weaving who on the face brought the actual flavor to the table for Reeves to then operate around meant the movie was going to flop on race day.

While I can appreciate the setting perfectly allowing such changes, it would need an attractive reason for existing in the first place which is entirely plausible due to the setting.

What sunk it for me is the nature of the reviews, describing the movie as a sequel that hates sequel movies. As well as some mentioning how it seemed to "correct" the red pill meme.

I dont particularly care about much of that even if its true, my issue typically stems that its usually so on the nose that it breaks the immersion factor, which defeats the whole purpose of watching a movie to begin with.

 

Here are the links: https://www.ebay.com/itm/184715661103 and https://www.ebay.com/itm/183291442330

I almost bought a waterblock for them, but I got to thinking about what a hassle it would be dealing with the short runs of flexible tubing and decided that would be more trouble than beneficial. The RAM is positioned too close to the CPU to do that without creating an inconvenience when servicing things. I think the aluminum finned heat sink is adequate and certainly more convenient. I think it also adds kind of a cool industrial look to the setup.

 

I watched it opening night on HBO Max and I can agree with you that it was "not good at all" (I'll keep it clean since we're on the forums).

I was so disappointed on just about every level I can't even put it into words but luckily your write up is spot on.

The flashbacks were too many...painfully so

That new sad excuse to replace bullet time (more like "Budget Time") was atrocious.

The idea of not wanting Copper Tops (CT) to have any latent memorie, discovery or ideas of the Matrix as a prison and using it as a game within the new Matrix COULD have worked out if done right but it didn't.

They said Morpheus's death in TMO was canon and Niobe and IO had a statue of him but it was never properly referenced (Might have been better to have Morpheus up there with a sign that said, "couldn't afford him"). Agent Smith should have been Agent $mith since they apparently couldn't afford Hugo either. They both dodged a bullet (not even in the proper bullet time at that)

The pacing and scripting was horrific.

Production budget was incredibly poor and the quality of the movie did feel like a B-grade flick.

I like the idea of rogue programs/constructs but that fight scene was sad with the Merovingian. The one big fight scene where it should have shined but was obviously low budget.

While I'm glad they didn't just flat out just recast the actual flesh role of Morpheus, this odd AI version was a weak excuse. I just couldn't get into the actor they cast. That Dojo scene was awkward and painful.

Seeing Niobe was a highlight as it definitively linked the previous timeline to the current one. This I actually liked.

I liked the idea of IO (fitting I/O) having a synergistic existence with many of the AI constructs from the matrix.

Neil Patrick Harris was fingernails on the chalkboard cringe worthy as the new Architect. Way too tongue in cheek for the significance of the role.

Breaking the 4th wall in the worst way? Check

Catrix? Ok....enough already.

I could go on and on after just ONE singular viewing, but you get my point.

After hearing me rant and rave the Mrs. opted to skip it even when I told her I was going to plug my nose and watch it a few more times since I had already opened the can of rotten fish and might as well soak in every nuance.

 

Just for future reference, for the guys here who have the EVGA Elite membership, does it really make getting hardware "easier?" I managed to get an Elite membership by registering my 750w PSU I got a while ago, but I still don't fully understand the benefits of being an Elite Member.

 

It's nearly useless. You can get "Elite" by simply spamming their forums with 100 useless posts. Thousands and thousands of people did this leading up to the "early access" launches and well it defeats the purpose if all you need to do is spam 100 posts and there are no punishments for doing so. I cannot believe EVGA has MODS on their forums and they do not punish this behavior in any way. The entire idea behind the Elite status was to reward loyal repeat customers, or active community members, but that purpose is no more. But hey, at least you can sign up with all the other "Elites" when new products drop.

 

Consumers are reporting that their ROG Maximus Z690 Hero is malfunctioning (updated) guru3d.com

Update: It is almost certain that the problems are caused by a misplaced capacitor: a comparison with a working unit if you look at the capacitor placement it shows that the lettering on the closest capacitor is reversed, whereas it is upside down on the defective ones. The marking on the component indicates that the polarity is reversed, which is obviously damaging to the motherboard's operation.

Unless there have been multiple revisions of the Hero motherboard it is likely an error during the production process. While such components are typically attached mechanically, an employee may have topped off the capacitors in question erroneously. We checked on our sample and compared in the image shown above, our sample is placed correctly. So likely a small batch is affected.

Asus thus far did not comment on this finding.

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Btw. The new added Ti moniker for coming Ampere refresh will help Nvidia and OEM with the bottom line. Same as with castrated Mobile 3080 Ti moniker, the desktop variant will get same love (higer prices) and higher TDP. But the desktop cards won't be as castrated as the mobile top dog. Long live the milking machine...


http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-and-discussion.835993/page-231#post-11134493

 

My capacitor is placed correctly. Sucks for those that god some of the bad batch, but sounds like the issue has been found going by the buildzoid video. Sounds like Asus needs to provide a coffee to employees working the assembly lines.

 

Yep



https://hwbot.org/submission/4889411_papusan_pifast_core_i5_2430m_25sec_20ms?recalculate=true

 

Fun fact coffee has 0 calories and absolutely what kept me alive when I did a 40 day water fast lol, doesn't provoke an insulin response either.

For that month I was carrying two thermus, iced water and hot coffee lmao

Did wonders for my joint inflammation which has always been iffy after being hit by 2 cars.

 

I drink black coffee all day long. Morning, evening, and night.