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Well Zen3D is a bit of a let down. Only the 5800x is getting the boost and it is targeted at gaming only.
Might as well wait for Zen4 for slated for the second half of 2022.



https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-con...-launches-this-spring-zen4-raphael-in-2h-2022

 

AMDs new event is out. 40 minutes video and in that 35 minutes you have these...

Rembrant 6nm refresh / Zen 3+ for BGA dumpster with PCIe4.0 and LPDDR5 (BGA DRAM) and USB4.0
Radeon 6000 mobile with more thin and light BS peddling, new 6000S for even more thin and light <15mm jokebooks dumpster.
Radeon FSR and RSR - More upscampling, I do not personally like these because they are fit for a console not a PC, DLSS is also same bucket these are useless for 1080P gaming which is the most popular resolution, but I get it, they give majority of the PC owners who have medium GPUs to get more FPS at the expense of GFX fidelity. RSR is driver level and FSR is not, Nvidia feared of the AMD and Intel coming in hot with open standard so they added NIS, Nvidia Image Scaling. Still I would rather reduce the overwhelmingly taxing GPU settings than punch in a low res and upscale it...if the situation demands like a true RT game - Metro Exodus I will take the hit of DLSS, anyways that's the new tech.

Oh I forgot there's one more important aspect for these BGA JUNK. They shoved in Microsoft Pluton silicon inside the damn BGA processor, that thing is living nightmare. Windows 10 siphons off all the data and you have this Security BS on top of the Secure Boot filth.

Last 5 minutes get the real stuff, because BGA trash sell a lot sadly aint that right @Papusan ?? It's really sad that your picture that you shared is going to be truth...by 2025 we will have more BGA junk flooding than the DIY parts, this is why Intel is adding more garbage E cores...Windows 11 is literally made for garbage. Also Frank Azor the BGA boy from Dell appears here and shills for BGA trash more than ever !!


Anyways here's the juicy meat !!

AMD Ryzen 5800X3D is 15% faster than 5900X in gaming workloads they showed, AMD Ryzen 5800X3D beats 12900K in a few games as well, Lisa Su however says " Fastest Gaming CPU in the world" gotta see how it holds out. And they did not show the 5900X3D or 5950X3D anywhere, I wonder if they have any gains or they do exist or not (yep they do not make them) ? Because they are only share same 5000 series processor naming. It's not 6000 as many were guessing....I look forward for them, I do not think they are going to get a lot of sale on these. Maybe Zen+ and Zen 2 owners might.

Then the big thing, Zen 4 is running a rather boring slog horrible game Halo Infinite (I saw the new AI it's dumb and a joke, the game rating is T for more of that Multiplayer junk, their Reddit had a meltdown due to the insane MTX greed they shoved into which is $1000+ of stuff and their battlepass is pay to level up and the horrible SP rehashed levels and meh content).

The real deal was it was running on 5GHz clock (she doesn't mention if it's all core or boost clocks) and that's on TSMC 5nm node btw !! They showed off new Socket LGA1718 looks good however the CPU IHS looks weird, not pleasing likes of the current crop we have.

Spoiler: Slides

Damn AMD dropped the BALL HARD...this thing now really makes me feel sad. Desktop get much less love year after year...look at that BGA junk they get 6nm USB4.0 and we get just a single CPU, 5800X3D only.

I think they are saving their Zen 4 sales, not to cannibalize the Zen 4, similarly imagine if Intel doing Rocket Lake backport from 10nm to 14nm++ with 10C/20T to 8C/16T all for that ST gaming performance bonus is with DDR4 4000MHz IMC lottery. ADL would have been DOA if RKL had 10C20T and high speed IMC with solid bins. It would have been a real swan song to LGA1200 and homogeneous processors. A big shame how these tech companies screw us, sad. Nvidia 3090Ti is also incoming, ugh pathetic. No I'm not buying that bogus chip shortage drama which has been artificially created.

Also note 5800X 3D got 200MHz clock rate drop, 4700MHz to 4500MHz, I think the silicon stack for Cache is heating the CPU and Chiplet so they had to castrate 200MHz clocks. All that tech wasted for some gaming, WTF.

What a joke. So much hype for 3D V got reduced to ashes with this move to be honest. AMD has high volume for EPYC-X Milan but they did not bin them at all, either they are saving for Threadripper to milk on Workstation ? I think HEDT is forgotten ? What the F AMD. This is really sad direction.

Well thanks AMD, I made a good choice with my 10900K, you can keep your I/O Die mess (WHEA, USB, PCIe and DRAM stability lottery past 3600MHz) Ryzen 5000 processors. I do not want PCIe4.0, and thanks Intel for sabotaging the Rocket Lake with 2C/4T removed and IMC lottery with super high heat density as well.

 

EVGA Official teasing their new KP 3090?

 

You think there’s gonna be any reason at all to even buy one of these 3090Ti KP’s?

 

Yes, if you don't have a 3090 KP already. Otherwise, an overclocked 90 KP vs 90Ti KP is going to be less than 8 percent at most.

 

I’d consider swapping mine out. But, I don’t even think I’d be able to get one.

 

Wait never mind. No, I probably won’t bother. It looks like it is confirmed it only has about 300 more cuda cores. And the bulk of the performance up lift comes from just overclocking. It has a 170Mhz higher boost clock. And faster memory.

It looks like an overclocked 3090KP would still be superior option.

 

As someone who is not interested in overclocking, the locked i7 12700/F paired with a B660/B670 motherboard looks like a very compelling combination that I will consider if I can pick it up for less than $600, including the cost of a decent cooler.

 

@Rage Set

It looks like the 3090KP on paper and running stock, is actually faster than a 3090Ti.

 

If you still have a KP3090 you could probably sell your old KP3090 and get back everything you paid so it would be no loss and maybe make a little more to offset the cost of the new one.

It is such a minor upgrade and the top is really crowded now with the 3080ti, 3090 and now 3090ti.

Those who "MUST HAVE THE BEST AT ALL TIMES SIR!" will sell their 3090's and get one (or another brand) of course....hey if you got it and aren't running yourself into debt and have the disposable income go for it I say. Like a friend said when I questioned his need to upgrade his A/V living room setup yearly at 4-6k, "dude, this is basically a weekend in Atlantic City for me and I go several times a year."

The real issue is waiting (again) for a proper water block if you are running custom water.

 

It won't be when all is said and done. I fully expect the KP3090ti to outclass the KP3090 if only by those little gains clock for clock.

 

The thing is, I don’t think I’d be able to even get my hands on one.

 

The 3090Ti FE is gonna look like a beast compared to the 3090FE. Nvidia plays power politics very well. They sand bagged the first 3090 FE. And now they pull the potato from its tail pipe, and let it fly on the way out as Love lace moves in.

But, I’d have to sell my card first and then buy the 3090Ti KP. Which is a huge gamble. Because chances are, I’d end up with nothing lol.

I think I’m gonna hold on to what I have, and just use the waterchiller to ampere its clocks up.

 

3090Ti Kingpin is set to release March 2022

 

If my Clevo X170SM-G ever gets a Premamod update to support Rocket Lake CPUs, I'd want this.

 

I'd love to see an overclocked 90 KP vs 90Ti KP. The difference is only going to matter on the high end of exotic cooling (i.e. LN2, DICE, and maybe even chilled).

But you need to sell right now to get maximum return on your KP, otherwise you will likely only get 70 to 80 percent of what you paid.

Edit: Having all of the memory on one side IS going to make a difference though. Easier to cool, thus higher speeds.

 

True, the KP3090 is an odd duck for miners too with its AIO only design. It doesn't easily slot into a farm or rack and doesn't bring more to the table for that market but is still a high demand item for those wanting the best.

Selling now will net you the most and potentially keep you out of a return window from a buyer on eBay or elsewhere if they manage to queue and get a 3090ti (not just from EVGA but from any other seller).

OR @tps3443 just keep your KP3090 that is properly blocked. I'm sure we will learn more as queue up time gets closer but there is no info on any blocks available.

On a personal note, I keep telling myself, "you're not going to queue up," but the fact I'm telling myself that doesn't bode well.

 

I don’t understand why they haven’t done this yet?

Prema has not added 11th Gen to his bios?

 

My only concern is how wonky RKL can tend to run on Z490 boards more times than not. Always little issue sand quirks.. The Ztec X170SM-G is basically GodMode for 10th gen CPUs on a proper Z490 chipset Techkissed by Prema.

Something went astray with the X170KM-G and the fact not even a hint of Prema BIOS so far is very concerning. I can pretty much run my X170SM-G CC free with Prema. It becomes a necessary evil with the KM-G sometimes.

 

So, @electrosoft is January 27th Evga queue? Your think?

 

Nothing will change before people change course. And it will be worse before it will be better. Customers is their own enemy. Look at the statement.

I don’t care if the Asus ROG Flow Z13 is a laptop or a tablet — I just want one digitaltrend.com

The lines between gaming laptop and tablet are blurring, and the Flow Z13 is the ultimate form of that. Gaming laptop? Tablet? It doesn’t matter. What matters is that it’s a monster of a machine, and I’m eagerly waiting the chance to pick one up.

A sum up from the CEC and todays tech world. A huge mess!! Of course Intel go the route where the money is. BGA all over and with E-cores as the sweet cherry on the top.

And not to forget nvidia and AMD that goes in the same footsteps. Castrated TDP both for mobile 3000 series graphics and 3090 (3090 Ti got all the love). Give 3090 Ti 30% more TDP for 2.7% more cuda cores and slighly faster vram vs 3090 just show how greedy they are. They castrated 3090 for later sell almost same card (Ti moniker) for premium and to try show a slight performance difference. The performance differences between the two cards would be very very low with about equal TDP (if Nvidia gave 3090 the TDP it should have from the beginning).

As you so nice said... What AMD offer is a Joke for desktop users. The X3D Cpu refresh is only the Reds way to do exactly the same as the blue did with socket 1200 and Rocket lake. An awful end of an socket gen. All love went to the BGA chips. Exactly the same as Intel did for 11th gen.

With V-Cache, the 5800X3D goes from 32MB of L3 cache, to a total of 96MB – the original 32MB on the Zen 3 chiplet plus 64MB of V-Cache. The rest of the CPU remains essentially identical to the 5800X – it’s an 8 core, 16 thread design, it’s an AM4 chip that works on 400 and 500 series motherboards, and it has a 105W TDP. However, clock speeds are slightly lower than the regular 5800X, the base has dropped from 3.8 to 3.4 GHz, and the boost from 4.7 to 4.5 GHz. I suspect this is a combination of needing to keep the extra cache within the same power envelope, and limitations on how fast you can clock the V-Cache component.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cpus-in-notebooks.836895/page-6#post-11135735

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cpus-in-notebooks.836895/page-5#post-11135642

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-whopping-margin.833406/page-60#post-11135683

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...xes-index-post-1.836254/page-12#post-11135741

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-whopping-margin.833406/page-60#post-11135732

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-and-discussion.835993/page-239#post-11135648

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-and-discussion.835993/page-239#post-11135614

And look on this. Nvida couldn't even give the 3080 Ti mobile scam a full fat GA103 die.
https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce...ture-7424-cuda-cores-16gb-16gbps-gddr6-memory


Edit. @Ashtrix go with an AIO.


DEAL
Looking for better performance? This monster CPU liquid cooler is just $80 pcworld.com

 

That would be right about the "official" launch with a two month window. Thinking about upgrading?

 

YES! Lol, but then reality sets in. I read that the 3090KP comes in March 2022 in hybrid version. With no waterblocks immediately available, and love lace is right around the corner 4Q 2022.

I did set mine to start mining though lol. Apparently people make like $260-$300 per month with their 3090’s. This guy on OC forums said his single 3090KP has made over $1,800 for him with off on mining occasionally. That would fund new PC hardware.


Mine is running 131.5MH/s currently. Memory TJunction would melt most 3090’s. Mine is a nice and cool 68C. The tjunction is the inner hottest part of the GDDR6X.

 

The Evga AIO’s are great. They really are. I mean. Technically he’s got a gem of a 10900K SP113. So an AIO would work out just fine with such an efficient CPU bin.

 

I'm sure I could get some nice bench results with my 280mm Evga AIO in push and pull with Rocket or Alder lake.


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http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...rs-welcome-too.810490/page-1282#post-11126868

The Evga 360mm CLC is probably quieter than the CLC 280 I have. And @Ashtrix could even put in 3 quieter fans who will make this 360 AIO cooler better than any Air cooler (both for noise and cooling performance). $80 is a steal for this AIO. And it don't have so much bling bling (less of the modern disgusting RGB) that I don't like.

EVGA CLC 360 Liquid Cooler Review: Noise-Normalized gamersnexus

 

@Papusan I was checking NewEgg, that ShellShocker deal was out of stock since I saw the first time when you posted it, I have been checking since 20mins since your post to grab that. It was too hot deal so went out very fast probably...



The mass of the block is also pretty small, it won't be as big and bulky and blocky as EK AIO interfering with any damn DRAM or others, or those Corsair ones. The RGB is also optional. Plus a small single LED function that is very neat..I agree very much no disgusting RGB pukefest.

Meshify 2XL should have it Push/Pull, it has plenty of space, so 6xNF-A12x25 on that will be insane.

Edit - Yes, I think I will get an AIO now, I think it would be a shame to put a high grade silicon on an air cooler (Since I already bought DH15 Chromax Black, It will stay in the box as a backup)

 

Still... Go for an AIO bro Ashtrix. A good quality one that fits your bill. Only buy an air cooler as spare. Remember my old Corsair AIO lived a long life before it was swapped out (near 10 years old). You'll probably never need that air cooler if you buy/have one.

Edit. As I said in previous post. This is a Joke. On top more expensive than the 5800X.

The 5800X3D’s lower clock speeds are an inevitable tradeoff — AMD stacks the additional SRAM directly in the center of the compute die to isolate it from the heat-generating cores on the sides of the chiplet. However, due to the need for a uniform mating surface with the integrated heat spreader, AMD has to use silicon shims on top of the cores to provide an even surface for the top of the chiplet. Silicon is an excellent thermal conductor but it will inevitably trap at least some heat, thus resulting in less thermal headroom. It also consumes more power. That’s likely the source of the slightly lower clock speeds, but as you can see below, the net result is a big win for gaming performance.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/a...unveils-ryzen-7-5800x3d-with-96mb-of-l3-cache

Edit.
When also huge folding OLED panels is what people think is a laptop/pc, we have all lost


Samsung broke the ground, Lenovo brought it to the laptop form factor. So Asus can’t claim to be first in making a laptop that’s essentially one giant, folding OLED panel. But it can stand out in another way: making it absolutely massive. The company announced its Zenbook 17 Fold at CES 2022, offering a folding Windows computer that’s either a massive tablet or conventional with a screen for a keyboard — take your pick.
Asus announces a massive 17-inch Windows tablet with a folding screen

Bro Fox. Are you ready for Z690 and ASHRock I mean Razer and "Razer Chroma RGB" lighting technology?

ASRock announces Razer collaboration latest motherboard Z690 Taichi Razer Edition
By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 01/05/2022 04:08 PM

In partnership with Razer, ASRock introduced the Intel Z690 motherboard Taichi Razer Edition. At the moment, this is merely an announcement; the exact release date will be announced later.

 

I have a Coolermaster ML240 AIO on my wife’s 11900K rig. And this is a middle of the road quality 11900K (Not the best, not the worst either though). It can do 5.2Ghz AVX and 4.5 cache, and 3867 Gear 1. But, it can’t even run stock with this CM AIO 240. It is the worst AIO in the world! I think it’d run cooler if I held my hand on it.

I see other people with the same problems with these CM ML240 AIO’s. They are just terrible! I didn’t buy it, it just happen to come with some stuff I bought from my brother.


I’m gonna buy one of those Evga 280/360’s to go in my wife’s computer very soon though. This system will get a GPU soon as well, and do something else besides light work apps. So it’ll need a cooler that actually works. My kids will periodically use it to play games/VR etc.

 

The EVGA LCL 360mm AIO is still on sale on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Liquid-Cooler-Warranty-400-Hy-CL36-V1/dp/B07VKHP9C5?th=1

Get it while you can. They may sell out soon like on Newegg.

Also, how does one acquire the LGA 1700 mounting bracket for this cooler?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...rs-welcome-too.810490/page-1318#post-11129965

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=M022-10-000178

https://eu.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=M022-10-000178

Edit. Probably included in newer batches.

If you want to keep AVX-512 enablement on your Alder Lake system, you'll need a Z690 motherboard and will need to stick with a BIOS that has not been updated to the latest Intel microcode.

Also worth noting is that this new microcode appears to enforce a multiplier limit of 51 (5.1GHz) when using the AVX2 instruction set. This limit is present in all Alder Lake boards, but the new microcode update now prevents you from overriding that limit. It's not clear if this was done in response to problems that were happening or if this is merely a proactive measure to prevent potential issues in the future.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-bios-update-disables-alder-lake-avx-512

The beauty lies in the details. It seems Intel don't trust own home cooked chips anymore, don't trust own throttling algo or that they don't trust that the owners aka the buyers of the chips ain't able to build/customize cooling that is good enough. Unlocked/unlimited has lost some of it's meanings.

 

3090 Kingpin HC is a undervolting beast! I can get this card down to 300 watts @2,025Mhz@900mv in RDR2.

Red dead redemption 2 is a power hungry game too. It’s similar to Metro in that it uses a lot of GPU power.

3090KP silicon is great. Running 2025@900mv

Ever since mining I’ve been messing around with undervolting it. It does a great job. It’s offering the full 40Tflops of 3090 Kingpin performance at only 300 watts.


Surprisingly it has even more room left, so I am gonna try going even further with it.

 

@Papusan is that square AIO better than the Asetek rounded AIO?

 

MSI tried promote their AIO as fantastic vs the rest. All boil down to making good fits and pressure and not the shape of the design. Highest possible cooling capacity depends lot on strong enough fans (to be able to remove the added heat from the loop).



5 laptop trends from CES 2022 you can't ignore pcworld.com

2022 is shaping up to be an excellent year for Windows laptops. New CPUs and GPUs from AMD, Nvidia, and Intel promise to send laptop performance to the moon – and that’s just the start.

The PC laptop world was focused on large, heavy, and expensive laptops at CES 2022. While AMD, Intel, and Nvidia continue to make silicon focused on thin-and-light systems, the most exciting announcements remain in the realm of high-power, high-performance mobile computing.

Yep, todays silicon is designed for thin-and-light-systems.

And Azor fits well in todays tech.

 

I just thought of a great idea. I have a Evga 360 AIO. It is the rounded model, and I can just throw the mount on it and throw it in my other PC. That GPU Vram plate comes right off. It was only used for about 2 weeks previously. These 120MM fans can turn 3,000RPM. They are very powerful!!


One thing interesting is, this model is round Asetek, but it has a square cold plate. It still has the grooves or plastic nubs that normal CPU AIO’s use where you mount that metal ring, and twist it to lock it on.

 

Its the fits on top of the HW, good pressure and good enough fans that matters. How you can reach it is your own fantasy/creativity There is for a reason you often get best performance with an own custom made loop/setup.

 

I might mount it up and see how it performs. I bet it’ll do great with these fans. These 120’s are terrifyingly fast. They sound like a 60MM fan turning 10k rpm. When I had this on my Kingpin it was when I was using a case. And the rad wouldn’t fit because I already had (3) 360’s in my case. So this KP AIO was just hanging out of the case. It would slide and fall, and I would react and just grab it. And they would take chunks out of your fingers.

 

It seems Intel will continue try improve the baby core architecture for their next gens desktop Cpu's (in short notebook chips). Hire back Apple lead designer for Apple silicon seems as a huge scoop for Intel when they now try put more work in more E-cores and more of the power efficient Hybrid processors forwards.

Apple Silicon lead processor developer Jeff Wilcox leaves to rejoin Intel to design SoCs neowin.com

Jeff Wilcox, one of the main guys at Apple has left the company and rejoined Intel Inc. He was Apple's director of Mac system architecture, and instrumental in designing Apple Silicon. Simply put, he literally engineered Apple’s independence from Intel CPUs with the M1 System on a Chip (SoC).

Edit.
Now you'll have a chance to buy the Motheboard Splave already use on the bot. But don't expect get same custom firmware or source code / signing keys love from ASRock to make your own personal changes

ASRock Officially Launches Z690 AQUA Motherboards
Building on the epic foundations of the Z690 AQUA, the Z690 AQUA OC is a limited-edition motherboard designed expressly for extreme overclocking. In addition to the 12-layer PCB, 19+1 Digi Power Phase with 105A SPS, an external clock generator boosts OC potential. The two DIMM layout – one DIMM per channel – ensure optimum signal routing to unlock maximum DDR5 OC potential. ASRock will only produce 500 units of the limited edition Z690 AQUA OC motherboard – each with its own production number.

With 3000W of Alder Lake Power, ASRock's Z690 Aqua Boards Are Unnecessarily Awesome tomshardware.com

Motherboard Makers Prep for Core i9-12900KS's 5.5 GHz Boot with Enhanced Thermal Velocity Tech

ASRock updates BIOS microcode to support Intel's upcoming Core i9-12900KS.

Side note: If you want to keep AVX-512 enablement on your Alder Lake system, you'll need a Z690 motherboard and will need to stick with a BIOS that has not been updated to the latest Intel microcode. Yep, want 12900KS then read the above. Intel gave it to you with love.

 

Apple M1 is a beast will give Apple that much..I bought a Apple Macbook M1 about 8 months ago. It’s a great machine. Yes it’s BGA, but it can run full power plugged in or unplugged. Either option makes no difference to how fast it runs. And it can run circles around the IGP in my 11900K. It’s a simple light weight machine that is super fast, and the battery last forever. It can run circles around a lot more powerful machines “If they’re unplugged too”

 

you just lost some street cred bro.



lol jk

 

It’s for browsing web etc.

 

It has arrived

Spoiler: Laptop

The bottom picture shows how it was shipped, wrapped in a towel in a crappy box. My heart dropped when I opened the box, but the laptop works perfectly fine and has no dings or markings on it, just a lot of dust

 

It’s for browsing web etc.

 

Congrats but yikes that packing job and dirt/dust....

 

Yeah, I'm still cleaning it right now, it has never been re-pasted so i've spent the past 20 minutes working carefully to get it all off.

Also, the CPU IHS seems to be stained by the previous paste, is there anyway I can clean it so that you can see the lettering on the IHS? I'd like to sell the CPU once I upgrade and its very hard to see the 6700k:

 

Double posted on accident, Sorry!

 

Yes, you need to use FLITZ Polish to remove LM on a IHS. Damp paper towel, with Flitz polish.

 

It’s not LM thankfully, it’s just some kind of dark paste.

 

Yeah, flitz polish and then 100% alcohol.

 

New PSU finally showed up. Very very nice unit! Waterchiller should be here today as well.


BIG BOY power cable.