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Water chiller is hooked up! And water is flowing through it! And water is chilling! It is very very nice.

No puddles on the floor, so that’s good.


WATER CHILLERS ARE INCREDIBLE!!

This unit is keeping my water at a very nice and cozy 64F. It is just phenomenal to have this. It’s really not too loud either. It added a solid 1 gallon of liquid to my water loop.

Once powering it on, the compressor would kick on and run for longer periods. Now, that all of the water in my system is around or below 64F it barely turns on now. Just for a moment.

It’s really so fun.

The dew point is low in the winter time. So I can get the water pretty cold without moisture on the lines.

 

Hey look! My fitting is cooler than ambient!! So weird!!!

 

Looks like the future of gaming may lie in integrated graphics.

If this stupid massively inflated pricing keeps up, none of us normal plebs will want to buy a discrete GPU anymore. These prices are something only rich people can afford. Good grief.

Fortunately it looks like integrated graphics may become powerful enough to do 144 fps at 1080p in current titles in a few more generations given the current progress we're seeing with integrated graphics. 4K is an irrelevant high resolution, and most people aren't budging from 1080p any time soon anyways. If integrated graphics can meet my needs, I'm fine with that since I don't plan on ever jumping to any resolution higher than 1080p. 1080p is already real crisp and sharp on a 17 inch screen or smaller.

 

I love 2560x1440. That’s hard enough running as it is lol.

But yeah, I’d rather run 1080P than 4K just because of the smoothness.

I love how 4K looks. But, I’m just hooked on 100+ FPS at all times with maxed out detail.


Plus, you’ve got better pixel density then even 2560x1440 I think?

 

This is a fast 11900K!!!

 

Chilled water life is incredible! So, I have the water set to around 60F. So, 60F water flows through all of my parts. It is really something amazing.

Water temp plays such a drastic role. I may play around with the really low water temps, but I really just wanted a sustained water temp of 70F or less.

So far it is one of the coolest things I have owned.

 

Congrats. I think you have the least expensive chilled water system that anyone could ever hope for. That was one heck of a deal.

" Once you go cold, benching never gets old."

Good info. Thanks, bro. I really like that new launches have 24-hour EVGA ELITE exclusivity.

 

Hoping I can help my friend get a 3060 or something. He bought a used 980 last night as his 980ti is at my place about to be shipped to Tech Cemetery for a repair. I have the Elite bonuses so I'm hoping that can help a bit.

 

Playing with my new toy.

 

Running no fans lowers temp drastically!

2C idle on my 3090KP. Crazy! However, 2C is veryyyyy cold!! My fans and radiator prevent moisture. So, I can just run the unit full force and my fans as well. And it keeps my system ice cold while keeping moisture at bay as well.

 

I was watching this earlier. I like it alot, but testing is quickly showing 12th gen and 4x DIMM configs don't seem to get along too well at >3733 frequencies* but I love the look of it. I would just run 2x 16gb ddr5 modules. The growing pains for this new platform and DDR5 are fierce.

* 3733 @ G1 DDR4, 6000 @ G2 DDR5

 

What would you guys say a fair price for an 8700k is? There's a seller on marketplace with a listing of an 8700k for 150, I could probably get it for a bit lower, but I'm still debating whether I should spend under/around 150 for an 8700k, or if I should spend a bit more to get an 8086k for my P870

 

If it is only a little more, I would go for the better binned 8086K. Even if you don't run it harder, you might be able to run it with less voltage and run cooler, which would be very beneficial in the P870.

 

Yeah, I'll just keep this 8700k in my bookmarks then. The cheapest I can find an 8086k right now is on Feebay for 245 (and that's before taxes and fees), but if one shows up for cheaper and/or locally, I'll probably jump on it then. Thanks!

 

Unless it is @Papusan 8700K which is a great binned 8700K. I would probably go for a 8086K. I owned two of them, and both were fantastic. One of the two I had passed the SL lottery top bin settings.

 

One caveat that I just happened to think of. Laptops are so finicky and limited that I would make sure the 8086K is already confirmed to work in the P870 before purchasing one. You could run into real nightmares with what should be a brainless drop-in part swap. Laptop firmware is generally so stinking crappy that something we take for granted will work automatically with little or no effort on a desktop can fail miserably, and without remedy, on a laptop. I have been away from laptops and have not cared about mobile computing for a long time, so I honestly couldn't tell you if my life depended on it.

 

I had a 8086K in a P750TM1-G it worked flawlessly. The bios was the factory Clevo/sager bios.

 

A different animal than the much older DM1 with Z170 chipset and no native support for newer than 6th gen Intel

 

So, my water chiller is good to go for 24/7 usage. I set thermostat to 62F now, and it keeps the water right at that temperature. It’s incredible I can maintain these crazy low temps permanently. Once that water creeps up to 64-65 ish range, the compressor kicks right back on.

One weird thing is, if you change the temp sensor settings. It takes about 12-18 hours before it is re-configured properly.

It’s actually fairly quiet, and this is a great daily setup. You can control your radiator fans to fine tune water temp even further. More RPM on the fans increases system temps, and less rpm drops system temps. Ambient air blowing through the large radiator makes things warmer. So, I run 15% speed on my fans. This sustains the GPU idle at around 12C and the CPU idle is 15C. And it’s so easily achieved.

 

With Dsanke BIOS I ran an 8086k in my original P870DM-G no problem. It worked natively in my P870TM1-G with Prema too.

 

Daily water chiller setup. Overclockers dream come true!

 

Newegg prices (all sold and shipped by Newegg) as of today:

Asus Strix 3080 10gb = $1119.99
Asus Strix 3080 12gb = $1599.99
Asus Strix 3080ti 12gb = $2049.99
Asus Strix 3090 24gb = $2299.99

Wow.....

Let's see how many 10gb models show up in stock as the year unfolds....

 

I don’t see anything about the Evga queue system yet. How do we register to get in the queue? Anyone know?

 

Thanks. Good to know. Yet, sometimes a simple MXM GPU installation or screen upgrade can require a BIOS mod in order to function in a laptop. I'm so glad I don't have to care about restrictive, proprietary nonsense anymore. At least (as far as I know) Clevo doesn't have a silly WiFi module whitelist like some Dell, HP and Lenovo trashbooks have been known to do.

 

Check your status here:

https://www.evga.com/myevga/

Queue is already active now.

EVGA's new approach is to release queue spots in batches and when the slots fill up that's that till the next batch.

3080 12gb slots are already gone.

Expect the same with all future cards with this system.

A new criteria with the 3.0 system is that if you have previously purchased a 3000 series card in their queue system you are de-prioritized for those who haven't been able to get one yet regardless of score. You are also limited to two cards max to queue up at all times.

I managed to get 2x 3060's and 1x KPE3090 in their queue system so I know even with my better than average score rating, I'm going to be pushed back if I queue up again and that's ok. I've been seriously blessed with how many cards have come my way organically without running bots and scripts and stuff.

If you want to queue up for a KPE3090ti, it will most likely open up for queuing a day or two after announcement (Jan 27th). Keep an eye on their forums and twitter feed.

 

The same. I got a good amount of GPUs through EVGA.

I'm about to sell my 3960x Build (without case) with an EVGA 3090FTW3 Hybrid. I'm done with Ampere.

I'm looking at a chiller though....

 

I just don’t understand how to get notifications from them lol. I have never purchased a GPU from Evga before either.


Do I sign up via the products page?

 

You have purchased other items from them, though. So you are automatically enrolled.

Just make sure all your account information is up to date and you have your cell phone tied to your account for 2FA.

 

I’d love to get a 2nd GPU for my other PC

Waterchillers are incredible. I didn’t realize they were so simple and easy to run reliably as a daily option. I would have bought one years ago.

 

Ditto. I'm done with Ampere and looking towards 7000 and 4000 series cards. This Strix 3080 is quiet and performing exactly as needed. Ironic the card known for its insane coil whine and I end up with one that is as quiet (if not more) than my former KPE3090 which was very quiet.

I have more than a passing curiosity to give the 5800X3D a whirl.

 

Intel's new ADL LGA1700 socket is inferior to the AM51718 mechanically. Also does anyone remember the SKL CPUs having very thin substrate caused bending of the PCB of the CPU...

Alder Lake’s cooling problem straightened out by 5 degrees! – Simple ILM-Mod for Intel’s LGA-1700 socket | Practice

Spoiler: CPU shots

AMD next-gen AM5 LGA-1718 socket exposed in newly leaked renders

Below is from Igor's lab

AMD basically let the Backplate screwed in at 4 points more to allow the SAM to have 2x clamping forces plus provide more rigidity to the CPU in the Socket since it's total 8 screws holding the entire construction instead of Intel's socket which did not have these points. PLUS they added the socket boundaries to protect the LGA pins as well. Also since their CPU is squared Zen 4 will probably not have the bending mechanical behavior like LGA1700 Alder Lake / Raptor Lake.

It's really impressive to see AMD doing this in their first LGA debut to Mainstream after 5+ years of PGA Ryzen. I wish Intel did it in a better way, maybe they will refresh the socket after RPL with this new protection mechanics.

 

So, I did some modifying on my setup. I clamped all of the lines that go in to a barbed end, so leaking is just not possible at all.

I also insulated all of the inlet and outlet lines. This made the setup look a little cleaner overall.

I do plan to disassemble this entire unit, and paint it properly, and spray each panel separately. I may just do the whole unit white again, and make it match my test bench color. I am very good at painting with spray paint, so I’m gonna prep it properly and make it look brand new again.

I’m gonna fix the front grill piece with epoxy, and spray each panel gloss white! I may do the center metal panel portion textured gloss white.

 

Well, the Z490 Dark is out for delivery today. I will swap it out, send the Z590 Dark to EVGA for RMA and then sell the replacement when it comes back.

 

This would make sense why the 1700 kit from Arctic included a pretty massive metal backplate to replace the anemic one in comparison to the1100/1200 series back plate. When I opened up the 1700 kit I just went, "whoa....that is a serious back plate!"

"There and Back Again" by Mr. Fox.

If you aren't going to use 11th then I can see why moving back to the Z490 platform makes sense.

My current state of the tech:

Problematic X170KM-G is on its way back for a full refund.

I returned my Z590 Hero yesterday and sold my 11900k after offering a full build out to my daughter and she just gave me "the look" and said, "Dad, you know I only like laptops." I was letting her play around on the X170SM-G and as much disdain as she had for a desktop build out she was equal parts wanting the X170SM-G asking, "So when are you going to upgrade me to this?"

I have one more build out from parts laying around (Z590 + 10900k atm) on eBay to move and then I'm fully downsized to my desktop and zTecPC X170SM-G laptop in the sig. The wife will be away all day tomorrow so I might move the extra 10900k into her system instead and upgrade her i3-10105f.

I'll probably sell at least two of the BGA laptops too. I was hoping the X170KM-G worked out and I was going to either keep both or sell the X170SM-G but the defects and problems has me more than content to settle in with the SM that after the initial hiccups is running like a beast.

Binned 10900k SP101 is installed in the X170SM-G and running like a champ. ~12c cooler and pulling ~25w less with similar settings and that is without a delid versus the original 10900k that was binned, delidded and still running nicely in the SM.

 

Even if there were a 10-core 11th gen option, comparing Z490 to Z590, I might still want to stick with Z490. The issues using Windows 7 on Z590 are unacceptable to me. It will probably get worse, so I may have to stay on Z490 indefinitely because the OEMs seem to universally be butt-kissing zombies when it comes to cooperating with the Redmond Retards and allowing them to have a say in what they do.

 

So, if I’m checking for exclusive products I would look on the Evga page that shows “No exclusive products available” “Please check back later”

Is that correct? Is this the same place I’d find new launches, and elite member products? Like, perhaps the 3090Ti Kingpin lol? Or the Z690 Dark?

 

I enjoyed the Z490 Dark. I thought it was great. I also currently still enjoy my Z590 Dark. I had the same quirks with both motherboards though. I don’t use Windows 7 personally, but I should for benching.

I had problems with 11th Gen on Z490 Dark, and I had problems with 10th Gen on Z590 Dark.

When I ran my Z490 Dark KP on 11900K, I was limited with memory overclocking because there was no VCCIO AUX option in the bios, I was forced to run 3100Mhz Gear (1) Yet, my $90 dollar piece of turd Gigabyte Z490 board has this “Specific bios option” and allows you run run up to CPU IMC limits of around 3,867Mhz+ Gear (1) just fine.. Evga needs to get their act together with the bios on both motherboards for one thing. The fact is, I have a 11900K on gamerboy Z490 Aorus Elite and it can run very well. But, I was limited on a high end Evga enthusiast grade motherboard. This sucks because, it limits 10th Gen to Evga Z490, and then limits 11th Gen to Evga Z590. As for other major problems. The debug LED failed on both of these Evga boards.

This tells me two things, there is something going on with Evga component quality, and there is something else with there attention to bios issues. Evga should optimize all of the generations designed to run on a specific motherboard. Just 2-3 years of support would be nice. But no, EVGA wanted to push out all of the inventory of the Z490 Darks, so they handed Vince a pen, had him sign the bunch and they added $100 bucks to the price tag. Then they dropped the ball on a newly released CPU that provided a very very substantial IPC bump.

I have tested two Z490 motherboards with Intel 11th gen. One was about $199 dollars msrp, the other was $599 msrp. Comparing them both right with 11th Gen, and the ladder $600 dollar option does not provail at all. What was funny is, with all the issues I had with the Z490 Dark, I anticipated the Z490 Aorus to not even work at all. However, it’s the total opposite. It runs 11th Gen like it is a run of the mill Z590 board

The fact is, there is the correct tool for the job I suppose. And for the 10850K/10900K the Z490 Dark is the absolute best option.

Evga still needs to get their act together though. Because the fact I can push an 11900K faster on a Z490 Gigabutt board “Does not look good” That Z490 Dark needs to be priority for at least newly released CPU’s to run optimally. I had so much fun on that board, and obviously I’d take the dark board any-day over the Aorus/Gigabyte option. But still, they need to test things more frequently. I was very upset when I had to replace my $600 dollar Z490 Dark Kingpin motherboard. And Evga is just like “HUH?” Oh! “ Send us a picture of your socket pins. So we can make sure none of them are bent”

Major face palm..


I enjoyed both the 10900K, and the 11900K. But, why can’t I run them both properly on one motherboard like other manufacturers? Evga really sticks to the 1 trick pony move with chipsets I suppose. I don’t think they tested Z590 with 10900K, or Z490 with 11900K much further than powering it on and loading windows.

 

How has your 3960X held up? my 3990X was a mess daily crashes even tried swapping the ram to once of the newer 256GB Kits and its still was crashing once a day even 2x sometimes no bios updates ever no new CPUs just an updated WRX80 socket... felt so shafted from the platform I sold it over a year ago and there's only been 1 bios update on the Gigabyte boards since so I assume the issues are still awful. I only used Windows on it for benchmarks then quickly ran to Linux you couldn't even use the 128 Threads without having an addon Windows for Workstations ridiculous money grab. Loved the CPU and platform but the crashes just were to much. 5950X with really tight timing ram no issues ridiculous how you can spend more and get a worse experience.

 

JZ2C tackling the washer mod and even lapping his 12900k:

 

Outside of the problems from my first two Asus mobos, I haven't run into any major platform related issues with TRX40. It is my daily driver workstation but outside of the random video/photo editing, it is overkill for my current needs. No crashes, even with 128GB of 3600 @ CL14, it runs like butter. I had more issues with my AM4 (Gigabyte Xtreme) setup than TRX40.

 

AMD had to reduce clock speed with the added 3dV cashe for the Ryzen 5800 refresh to stay within TDP specs. Seems Intel will try something similar. Add in higher cashe over more real cores to stay within the power budget/specs to become the gamer king. More of the small E-cores won't have the same impack on power as more P-cores to keep the Cpu TDP within specs. Nice with special Cpus for gaming and power saving. Too complicated make a high end mainstream chips for all types tasks. Or too expensive (bigger die with more real cores is a money drain and has to be avoided).

Intel 13th Gen Raptor Lake CPUs Could Feature Up To 55% More Cache Over Alder Lake For Enhanced Gaming Performance

 

I am now a member of the water chiller family. I purchased it from the same guy as @tps3443 Thanks bro

 

FANTASTIC!! Glad you were able to work out a deal with him. These chillers are really excellent machines.


So, I flushed mine out with hot water a few times. And then filled with nearly straight vinegar, I let the vinegar soak for about 30 minutes in the tank, and sloshed it lightly periodically. Then I rinsed with hot 135-150F water about 3 times back to back. Then rinsed with distilled two good times. There was no sign of any vinegar at all, and it was extremely clean inside inspecting with a flashlight.


Mine runs everyday 24/7. Kicks on and off automatically as needed. It doesn’t use as much power as I thought. Usually 350-500 watts. It’ll run for about 15-30 seconds about every 3-5 minutes.


Also, there is a little metal bar that’s like a safety feature if the machine is toppled over, and the metal bar easily falls off and kills the power to the compressor. Mine threw code P1 ERROR when I first powered it on. And, I found this little metal bar rattling around inside of the machine. Pulled the front grill off, and popped it back on, and all was well. FYI, yours may be the same way. But maybe not.


1/2HP is really good honestly. Plenty of cooling power, I think it’s the sweet spot.

This is a review of the exact same machine.

https://bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/cooling/hailea-hc-500a-water-chiller-review/2/


And this is the metal fail safe bar that can easily fall off.

 

I managed to fix my broken grill, cleaned it up some more. Cleaned all the filters, and blew out the inside. It is a representable looking appliance now.


Acetone and a rag does wonders for removing black marks and scuffs on plastic.

 

Man, this is just SO MUCH better, I can't even tell you. And, it is extra-nice not having to do stupid stuff like disabling M.2 ports in the BIOS to boot Windows 7. I'm probably going to clone my W7 to one of the NVMe drives like it used to be. I always ran W7 and LTSC on NVMe and a crappy OS like W10 Pro 1903+ from a SATA SSD. Everything just works, and works extremely well. Absolutely zero nonsense and malfunction like I had experienced with X570 and Z590 trash tech.

Congratulations. Super happy for you. Brother @tps3443 told me late last night and I almost texted you, but did not want to disturb you or your lady if you were trying to sleep. I think it was after midnight in your time zone.

The cracked grille fix was a great job and it cleaned up very nicely. The white housing fits with the white Wetbench, so I probably would not paint it. It all turned out quite nice for a very affordable price. Now that you have it, I am sure you can easily see why I say it is the best upgrade ever. It will be an upgrade that spans many generations of system builds and keeps on giving for as long as it functions. Even at $750+ for a new one, it is worth every penny because it doesn't become obsolete in a year. In the end it will work out to pocket change over the course of years.

I recommend that you and Brother @Rage Set get one of these to put under it. I have a laminate floor like yours. If you ever have a leak, this will keep the water off your floor unless it's a really bad leak that you don't notice. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KIF5LLK

I put a wood frame on the bottom of my pan with casters screwed onto it so I can roll it around when I need to clean the floor or move the chiller. I bought the casters at Harbor Freight for about 75% less than what they would cost at a hardware store or home improvement center, and they have soft rubber wheels that roll quietly versus the hard plastic type that make a lot of noise rolling across a laminate floor.

 

I’m seeing reports of 6-7C delta with liquid metal for TIM at 480-520 watt power range, using the Optimus 3090 Kingpin Waterblock.

^^^

This is phenomenal. Really makes me want one. But, I feel like it’s not worth the $600 dollar entry fee.

My water chiller can outperform any of that. But, I can’t help but wonder if I had a Optimus KP block, and my chiller lol. How would that even perform?

I can push 520+ watts at 28C with just 58F water temps. So, if it was an Optimus block, I would easily be 18-20C using the same mildly cool water temp of only 58F.