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I'm on the latest and greatest A.30 bios with MSI, I'm hating it. It has crippled my performance bad. I cant get to 51x anymore. Can barely get 50x on 3DMark, and only 49x on Cinebench. If i try 50x on cinebench at 1.35v, it will crash within seconds.

Edit...Wrong bios, changed from A.20-A.30

 

That's really interesting, I hope that will not be the case when they release the Spectre-fixed BIOS for my board. That's good to know from you, because that will prompt me to re-check stability stress tests once I've upgraded the BIOS. I should think MSI will release another BIOS for your board though, because according to Intel, Coffee Lake is not properly fixed yet when it comes to Spectre according to this document ( https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2018/02/microcode-update-guidance.pdf) - I think your upgraded BIOS falls under the category of "Intel recommends not upgrading due to stability reasons", part of the lot that Intel advised pulling.

 

Have you tried run Bench with the new firmware and disabled the vurlnerability fixes with Inspectre tool ?

 

It has been out for a while now. I flashed in before, then dropped back to the older BIOS. Decided to test it again. Didn't take long to remind me.

Flash the pre-patched BIOS. The "security" isn't nearly as important as performance.

Not yet. Where is the tool you mention? I don't remember seeing that.

 

I flashed the new MSI bios this last weekend, but since I am on AMD, there were no patches involved. Just an agesa update, and couple other things. I love this new bios as far as clocking and booting. Before, my system had a few strange bugs when clocking from the bios, as it would hang like it was supposed to boot, but changed its mind, and would sit there with a black screen. I can tell it was supposed to boot by looking at the diagnostic LED on the motherboard. Now it boots with no issues, and am running my 3200mhz ram@3400mhz fairly normal now. I even bench at 3466mhz ram, and may go higher with some voltage tweaks. Before it was very temperamental about ram.

 

Is this post from Brother @Phoenix what you are referring to?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...xes-index-post-1.779394/page-55#post-10666250

If so, that does not apply. I do not have those registry settings, so unless I am mistaken I do not have any patched software/updates installed and may not need to do anything. Only the patched BIOS was (temporarily) installed. I also did not have those registry entries with the patched BIOS.

 

Yeah. If you use your own mod OS it probably won't work. But here is it InSpectre tool v6 More people should use it.

 

I reverted back to previous bios version, used the Inspectre tool to disable Meltdown but noticed that after I downloaded Inspectre tool, that Avast AV piggy backed in on the download and also installed on my computer?

Whats up with that? It wan't there until after I downloaded the Inspectre tool and now I cant get rid of it.

 

Sorry, but my very <good> English can't catch what you mean

 

I don't know how AVAST anti virus got installed on my computer. I downloaded the Inspectre tool in your post to disable Meltdown and somehow this antivirus program was installed at the same time and now I can't uninstall it. Im thinking it was hidden inside the Inspectre tool download or something like that? Have you heard of this happening with the Inspectre V6 download?

 

Never heard about this. Botht Guru3.com and majorGeek.com have the tool in their portefolio https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/3...8e66acd242aee392ca980a9ffce56c42c1b/detection

https://www.virustotal.com/#/url/6e...71e6971919c53227950645517bd3d11b446/detection

 

Im going to restore my computer to before the Inspectre tool and see if that gets rid of it. Will report back. The tool might not have been the cause. I tried to use the Avast clear/uninstall tool and that didn't work either.

 

inSpectre Download v6b-Guru3.com Maybe read the comments to see if you find something. V6 released 31. Jan

 

Well restoring didn't work, it's still there on my desktop. I don't know how it got there. The Inspectre tool is the only thing I downloaded so who knows?

 

From MajorGeek


You are sure you havent got it from CCLEANER?

 

Probably came from CCleaner. It did update as soon as I started my computer.

All good now, I had to run the AVAST uninstall tool while in safe mode to uninstall it.

 

Be careful, bruh. Use the portable CCleaner v5.40 Latest one. And always double check.

 

I have 5.40 but it's the Trial Pro version.

I downloaded it from Piriform, this is where to get it from right?

 

Piriform is Avast now

 

Well that's good to know

Well I'm Vulerable again and the sad thing is, that's a good thing!

I don't use my Computer for anything other than playing games and bench marking so really nothing to hide.

 

You can enable and with a reboot and you are safe again *If* j00 want

 

I'm lucky. My OSes are not even "aware" of their vulnerability and I want it to stay that way, LOL.

Got new internet last week... more than double the speed, four times the data limit (4TB max per month) and less money.

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The NVMe RAID0 CPU overhead was also slowing things down for the CPU, so that's gone again. My wPrime 32M and AIDA64 memory speed test results are back where they are supposed to be again.

 

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How come you're not Meltdown protected? I'm Meltdown protected without a BIOS update according to InSpectre, Meltdown is protected from an OS update. EDIT: I'm thinking you just disabled Meltdown protection on purpose?

 

Ha, your upload is the about the same as my download, and I thought I had fast internet - that's the UK for you! (EDIT: I'll use multi-quote next time!)

 

I'm meltdown protected without any patch what so ever

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The joys of AMD/Ryzen!

 

Temps on GPU are the same. Temps on CPU are the same. Performance is the same (about 100 pts higher in Fire Strike with the GPU vertically mounted, so within a normal margin of error). The GPU cooler hoses are too short to reach the front now, so I had to mount in in the rear again. I think I will get a 240mm radiator and longer hoses so I can mount that in front. I do not care for it being mounted in the back. I haven't decided if I like the looks of it better. It makes the case look bigger and roomier inside than it does with a standard GPU installation.

 

Well, if it makes no difference, then leave as it was before if it's a pain to reconfigure all the hoses, but if you like the looks better then why not.

 

Yeah I just used Inspectre to disable Meltdown.

 

@Mr. Fox when you get a chance, could you get a little closer shot for me please?

Ok, I broke down and purchased this stuff. My arm was being twisted to the point that I had to give in

DEMCiflex Magnetic Fan Dust Filter - Custom Filter for Triple 120mm Radiators or Fans (To meshify the top of the H500P case)
Bitspower EZ Fan Screw (20 pcs)
Deluxe Rubber Screws - Open Chassis Fan Mounts (Vibration Isolators) - Set of 4 - Black
Alphacool HF quick release connector kit G1/4 - black (quick releases for GPU)
XSPC AX140 Single-Fan Radiator - Black (Will exit CPU water block and enter this radiator before heading to GPU water block)
XSPC Fittings Choice 2 x XSPC G1/4" to 7/16" ID, 5/8" OD Compression Fitting - Black Chrome- V2 -

EVGA Hydro Copper Waterblock for GTX 1080 Ti FTW3 400-HC-5699-B1

I decided to go this route, as the all in one still relies on a fan to cool memory and VRM. This waterblock cools everything.

I am addicted again

 

Fair enough, I'm an advocate of leaving it enabled though, it's less than 1% difference in performance isn't it? And for games & productivity I'm guessing you don't even need 100% of the resources of your 8700K anyway.

 

Or +20% hit in certain 4K performance workloads. Aka productivity. Depends on what's your workflow. Say it's less than 1% difference in performance, is more like the ostrich who hides it's head in...

 

Your right, it's not much difference really with what I mostly do. But, it drives me crazy that I can't run cinebench at 50x or 51x like I used to. And having to watch my bench scores drop is aggravating. Besides that, how am I ever going to be able to compete with Mr. Fox with a performance crippled machine? Lol!!!....NOT! His know-how is way out of my league

 

What part would you like a closer shot taken?

 

I was wanting a little closer shot of the vertical mounted GPU.

 

You can still have Meltdown protection enabled with your old BIOS that allows for your higher overclocks. I've got an old BIOS, and Meltdown protection is just an OS update - it's Spectre protection that requires the BIOS update.

@Papusan , forgot to use multi-quote - yes, 4K workloads are the biggest drop, but generally we don't tax our SSD's to the max with 4K workloads beyond benchmarks. So, system & programs will still be snappy with a bit of reduction in 4K, because there's "additional overhead" with the large amount of 4K performance that SSD's already offer. It's the same reason why optane drive enabled systems that have massive 4K performance don't see much real world gains in general desktop/productivity/gaming workloads - unless the work is very specifically 4K biased - I think databases. (Just a link saying that optane and massive 4K performance can't offer much to the general user: https://www.anandtech.com/show/11953/the-intel-optane-ssd-900p-review/2)

 

As I said in my post... " Depends on what's your workflow". If people said it doesn't hurt performance... This have never become a case on the web

 

True, I'm just putting it in perspective though - users that need all the 4K performance that their SSD can offer are few & far between (I think it's just database work that benefits the most beyond a certain minimal level of 4K performance, a minimal amount which most SSDs can offer with ease nowadays).

 

How are these? Pardon the dust (unavoidable living in the desert, LOL).




I still think I am going to replace the 120mm with a 240 or 360mm radiator to install on the front panel like is was before and replace the hoses with longer ones on both coolers. The hoses were clearly designed for people that prefer smaller cases, not a full tower form factor.

 

Perfect, thanks! It looks good @Mr. Fox

Ok, question on a benchmark now. I cannot get 3Dmark Vantage to run on my system. It crashes right after the two gpu tests. I have tried stock speeds on everything, and it still crashes. I have also uninstalled it, and reinstalled, with the exact same results. If I uncheck the first two tests, I run the remaining tests without an issue. I have always hated this benchmark, and think its one of the worst futurmark have released. I updated to the latest sysinfo 5.5 also, so I have no clue why it crashes, other than the fact its a POS

 

It crashes in the CPU/physics test even with the CPU stock? It only crashes on me if the voltage is too low with an overclock.

 

Oh man, I love 3DMark Vantage (not PCMark Vantage). Why do you hate it so much? 3DMark Vantage is overall one of the best out there because it is brutally CPU centric. If you have any instability element or thermal issues it will fail at 3DMark Vantage. And, if the CPU is not powerful the overall score will suck, like 3DMark 11.

If I were going to take a guess as to why it is crashing, my first guess would be something is getting too hot. It is every bit as challenging as Cinebench, but the tests last longer and make things get hotter because of that. Test 1 and Test 2 also use the CPU more than most benchmarks and that starts warming up the CPU and VRMs before the CPU tests 3 and 4 even start. If the CPU tests pass when without running tests 1 and 2 running, then thermals are the most likely cause of the crashing. Higher temps require more voltage, so if the CPU is getting warmer during test 1 and 2, voltage that is sufficient in other circumstances might be too low by the time tests 1 and 2 have finished and the CPU tests are started.

I think @Trafficante was having an issue similar to years with Vantage crashing and if I remember right it was resolved when he started using AC cooling. Just because the CPU cores are not super hot does not mean something else is not getting too hot.

Going back a few years, in the Gen1 Athlon, Pentium I-IV, Core2, and Gen1 Core i days 3DMark Vantage actually killed a few CPUs because they were not able to handle the extreme load, LOL.

The ones I like the least are Fire Strike and Time Spy. Fire Strike is a panty-waist benchmark for sissies with crappy BGA CPUs (almost no penalty imposed in the overall score for having a sucky physics score) and Time Spy is a Windoze OS X Kool-Aid drinker benchmark. Fire Strike has a great GPU test, and the physics part is OK too, except for the fact it does not carry enough weight/penalty in the overall score when the CPU performance is lackluster.

 

I guess to be fair, I haven't tried stock, stock, but it is cinebench proof, and I have run the cpu/physics tests separately and it works fine. Alright I will try bone stock, and see if it still crashes.

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I preferred 06 over vantage, mostly I think of impatience. With the clocks I use, I can run back to back to back of cinebench without issues, and wprime 1024 in multiple consecutive runs also. I think I've even used a fan (floor fan) to blow inside the case. Seems to me that cinebench, being newer would stress all the cores, thus create more heat, more so than vantage would?

I think its a buggy benchmark IMO. It just does strange things, like running all stock just now, it had a script error with flash player. Totally stock, the first two tests didnt even take my cpu off of AMD's cool and quiet. Speed never went above 2200mhz, and temps at 30c.
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http://hwbot.org/submission/3786215_

 

I think I see a windows 10 install?

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Yup, after I discovered the NVMe RAID0 was slowing things down with the CPU, I broke the membership and restored my W7 and W10 images I had before switching to RAID0. I still have my two 1TB Samsung SSDs in RAID0 as my game installation volume.

Macrium Reflect FTW! Total time to put everything back the way it used to be with both OSes was about 10 minutes.

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Looks like HWBOT is still screwed up. If only it were true.

 

lmao