*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

Had a great weekend with Brother @Johnksss - I haven't benched this much for so many consecutive hours in a long, long time. We didn't sleep much, but had a blast and learned a lot of awesome stuff.

Here are a few more "for the road" so to speak... drive safe, John.

I definitely need to replace my chintzy "gamer-boy" G.SKILL Ripjaws V. Running memory at 4100 (his memory) is pretty sweet.

http://hwbot.org/submission/3840008_


https://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5688801 | http://hwbot.org/submission/3839695_


And, with my EVGA 1080 Ti SC2 in his motherboard... sweet Physics score from that monster CPU.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12752987 | http://hwbot.org/submission/3839937_

 

Same latency as my RAM now then - 41ns, a big difference to what you had before in that regard I think.

 

Why you wanna hate on the "Gamer Boy" Ram for. LOL

Took just under 6 hours doing the speed limit the whole way.

Phone already ringing for work too!

 

I'm glad you're home safely. So, you left around mid-night and got there around 6AM? You must be pretty tired. I really appreciated the fun we had this weekend. It was awesome. Thanks so much.

To be clear... my gamer-boy G.SKILL Ripjaws sticks absolutely will not boot using any of the speeds and timings that worked for your Corsair 3600 sticks. Those overclock nicely to 4100-4200MHz. These G.SKILL sticks are fine for modest performance and playing PC games. Thus I say they are "gamer-boy" sticks.

Yes, it's definitely better. In the benchmark wars, ever little bit counts. A little here, a little there... eventually adds up to a lot.

 

Are you gonna buy some then? I've got Ripjaws V, and mine are 3200Mhz as XMP, they won't clock any higher which is mad really, but I was able to tighten the timings quite a lot, they'll do.

 

WUT, no overclocked driving!! :-( 55 mph is tooooo slow, or is it 65mph in some places - still to slow - live in Deutschland! (I don't, I live in the UK, but 70mph is not too bad, you can get away with 80mph most of the time).

 

Probably. Those seem decent enough. Not right now, but I am going to definitely get better RAM when I can afford to. I'd rather spend the money on a water chiller. That's actually a lot more useful. And, with the crazy RAM prices we are seeing, I can spend fairly close to the same amount of money on the water chiller and get a whole lot more value from it.

I'll let him answer that, but don't assume that didn't happen. LOL. Yeah, 55 MPH speed limit is totally retarded on the open highway. That silly crap was dreamed up as part of the fake "energy crisis" back when Jimmy The Peanut Farmer (Jimmy Carter) was POTUS. It's actually 75 MPH and 85 MPH in some states now. But, even that is waaaayyy too slow on an interstate highway. It used to be nice driving through Montana until they imposed an 85 MPH speed limit. Last time I visited relatives there, I ran between 100 and 125 MPH all the way except on the curvy parts of the highway. (I was driving a Ford Econoline E350 12-passenger van at that time, so the curvy parts were kind of tricky.)

 

Thanks! Yep, me too! Had lots of fun in a very short amount of time. Just wish I had thought about bringing the flex cables! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Got home right at 6 AM and left at 12.06 AM

I speed checked my car on the way out there. Still maxing at 156 with a 90 to 110 average (When other speeders were present! LOL). And all that racing only saved 25 minutes over a 400 mile drive.

I did the speed limit thing to see how my miles to the gallon would be using cruise control and the actual time it would take to get home. That was a serious task to say the least! Every time some 4 or 6 cylinder car would pass me I would immediately want to get on the gas! LOL. 2001 Mercedes Benz S430 Getting 500 miles to the tank (22.3 US Gallon)in that mode.

 

Im using the exact same ram as Mr Fox. When I added 2 more 8gb sticks to make 32 GB total, I could only run 3200mhz. Now I'm at 3466mhz and didn't do anything to the timings at all. Just set XMP, Auto Voltage, and let it go. I might try 3500mhz tonight when I get home just to see if it will boot.

I couldn't get 3333mhz to boot when I first bought them. I don't know why it's gotten better over time, but I'm not complaining

 

Ha, yes, it seems that he might not have kept to the speed limit the WHOLE way after all! I didn't know that about the speed limits - 85mph is not too shabby.

I don't know how fast mine will go, not 156 anyway, unless it's downhill with a wind behind, but I'm too scared to see how fast mine will go on UK roads, getting done for 140mph+ would probably be an instant ban! I like the bends more than the top speed though, we got more bends over here & less space! lol, I'd be one of those 4 cylinders, but turbos do help!

That's interesting you say that about getting more stability magically over time, the same thing happened to me. 15-15-15-32 to start with and then I was able to go 14-15-15-32 later, a couple of BIOS revisions between the two, so maybe that came into play - they often quote "improved memory compatibility" as one of the update points, so perhaps that's why.

 

Yeah and I haven't updated anything.

Only changes that come to mind is that I enabled Meltdown protection with the Inspectre tool right before I tried the OC to 3466mhz?

Surely that wouldn't have anything to do with it right? I was at Cl17 and now I'm CL16 as well

 

These are some pretty good sticks. AMD is more picky about ram than Intel. I must say though, AMD has improved quite a bit in this department.
Note the CPU clock in the memory benchmark window?? 50mhz above rated max turbo frequency. Ive seen this a few times, spiking above turbo. This is set on auto, with down core control disabled (AMD cool and quiet).

 

Tried 3500mhz on Ram and 5.2ghz (1.49v) on core, it didn't like that. I could probably get 5.2 at 1.51v-1.53v, but just don't want to go that high on voltage.

Got into windows and I tried to do a quick CB R15 run while my system was still cool, it only lasted about 3 seconds before BSOD.

Oh well, it still is a strong running system, I'm just below the Enthusiast level

 

Oh right, no motherboard updates for you, so it's not that then. Maybe the Meltdown/Spectre patches having made the CPU less efficient, maybe it can't hammer the RAM as intensely as it did before, wild speculation! Or maybe your RAM has somehow ''bedded in" after a bit of use - also don't know if that's a thing!

Hey man, you're still an Enthusiast!

 

Just seen this link over on notebookcheck.net, they're talking about the latest Dell XPS line being developed by the "legendary" Frank Azor of Alienware - I posted over there balking at "legendary status" given what has happened with the Alienware brand of notebooks in recent years!
https://www.notebookcheck.net/How-Frank-Azor-helped-create-the-Dell-XPS-line.300750.0.html

 

From your article... "Enter Frank Azor. “You have to have a culture that is willing to innovate,” Azor told Digital Trends. “You can’t have ID with these crazy ****ing ideas that are far out there, and then have a product planning team that say ‘I like some of them, but those are too expensive, or ‘my engineering team will never let us do that.”

"Frank Azor is a name that holds legendary status among PC notebook fans. As the co-founder of Alienware, and the current Dell VP of Alienware, Gaming and XPS, a lot of credit can be given to Azor for breathing life into Dell"

 

Yeah, he's got that wrong hasn't he, but there's nothing wrong with the amplifier.

 

For me is a laptop used as portable (inside home as outside my doorstep). If I want sit home same place 24/7/365 I would go for a desktop.

 

Cu (Copper) will be fine... Just make sure there's no Al (Aluminum) anywhere that is touched with the LM, make sure the heat sink fit is proper to ensure the LM doesn't leak out over time* and you should be fine.

In case any other readers come by, although this covers a delid and applying LM to the inside of the CPU here's a decent enough video covering some of the concepts -



Somewhat realted... a quick video on LM application from a trusted source on a small tweak with some foam on the GPU





* - Note, in regards to leaking, I've seen some people post they have surrounded the CPU with electrical tape and/or use the foam like @Mr. Fox did. Others create a perimeter on the outer edge of the CPU with a non-conductive TIM ( Gellid Extreme, Grizzly Kryonaut, etc. ), and leave the inner portion with LM. Searching around for other LM application methods may give you more ideas.

 

sick setup u got there im actually surprised that so few people went for the 7940X, judging from the comparably high base and boost clocks at stock theres quite the potential in that chip!

why is ur 960 pro just running on 2 pcie lanes though?

 

LOL! Gotta respect the old adage, "Opinions vary."

With the lowest $$ per core and highest base clocks, I felt the i7-7820X was the sweet spot for the Skylake X family.

 

I use CLM on my Enermax AIO, it has a copper cold plate as well. You have to though have a great fit between IHS and cold plate though.

 

Here are a few extra pictures from the weekend benching party. I've included one of the Bench Kitty that Brother @Phoenix assigned as the supervisor to keep us in line and make sure there was not any cheating going on.



It was also a nice boost for Team @Prema
http://hwbot.org/country/united states/

 

aaah gotcha thats more like it

 

Wait, hold up!!! Don't record that score... I can do better. LOL

@Trafficante

Man, i was being really really lazy. Brother Fox had to wake me up on that part. I was only brute forcing scores instead of doing all the tweaks that needed to go along with it.

 

Nice one! @Mr. Fox @Johnksss

The Team is honored to have you as captains!

Must have been like winter in there...

Finally we know your secret sauce:

Now all I need is to find myself a little 'bench kitten'...

 

Yup. The cat is out of the bag now.

It was pretty cold.

 

After driving all night to get here you had a good reason to need to be woke up, LOL.

 

Will the CPU end up in the exact same location relative to the case? I ask as then maybe two of your pipes need to be redone.

 

Dang. My Trident Z 3000Mhz CL14 64GB kit easily does 4000Mhz CL18( 32Gb config) and and 3800Mhz CL15 @ 1.38V and 1.425V respectively. The latter does need quite a bit of tweaking though.

 

I think you probably have Samsung B-die chips, mine aren't, so mine did pretty well considering not Samsung B-die.

 

Thanks. For a minute there, I thought you were really going out there as well.

Yes, that's for sure. She kept smacking my hand away. I think we were making to much noise for her with them really loud fans. And that was only two of them.
And it was nice and chilly. So much so that i had on my Hoodie most of the time. Brother Fox was right at home with it being cold. Also it helped for keeping things a few degrees cooler.

This is true.

Nice!

 

Yeah, I suspect that @bloodhawk Trident sticks might be Samsung B-die. These 'el cheapo' Ripjaws V sticks are Hynix. I've never had good results trying to push the memory overclock a lot higher with Hynix chips. But, they're certainly good enough for gamer-boy systems that run stock and modest overclocking. They were the most I could afford at the time, and the best offered by iBUYPOWER when I configured the system. Two things I would have done differently now in hindsight would be to go with the cheapest memory and GPU I could (or no RAM and GPU if they would allow that) and spend more for 4000 or 4133 RAM and a EVGA Kingpin 1080 Ti GPU. Live and learn. But, I am really happy with how great the modded 1080 Ti SC2 is working. Way better than where it started with stock firmware and unmodded.

 

Yeap its B-Die. I got this 64Gb Kit Nov 2016 for $425 after taxes. Right now the same non RGB kit if going for $800+ and the RGB version is $900+. Like wth.

 

Yeah, that's just absolutely insane. There's no way in hell I am going to spend today's prices on RAM sticks. Just not worth it for such a tiny increase in performance between 3400 and 4000. And, the the extra premium for RGB sticks is also ludicrous. Anyone that feels compelled to spend an extra $100 to have glowing RAM sticks has got rocks in their head, LOL.

 

I was wondering what that clonking inside my head was until I purchased the non RGB sticks of ram when I built my system.

 

How much more did they cost than the non-RGB? Nothing wrong with RGB. I like it, just seems the added cost is disproportionatly high to the benefit received to have glowing RAM sticks. That's just my subjective opinion, so file it under the "for what it's worth" category under the zero column. Would the price difference pay for 3800 or 4000 sticks?

 

If you really want to see a nice example of customer stupidity exploitation, look at the price difference between 32GB of CL18 and 64GB of CL17. Takes more money than brains.

$932 for 64GB CL17: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232451 (bite me - depending on where you live, that might be a mortgage payment... or 3 months worth of groceries for a family... or, a nice 1080 Ti GPU instead)
$548 for 32GB CL18: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820232457 (yes, it costs more per GB, but at least you're not selling the soul of your first born to acquire it)

 

Yeah, same here in the UK, last time I checked the kit I bought in Nov 2016 (same time as you!) has doubled in price now!

Hey, you mean you're not gonna buy these liquid cooled ones!
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/adata-xpg-unveils-spectrix-d80-ddr4-rgb-liquid-cooling-memory.html

Man, you should get them liquid cooled ones linked just above!

 

Neat idea for geek-factor, but seems like a frivolous and unnecessary expense with little or no benefit to be realized. I've never seen my RAM get hot enough to actually need that. Maybe it might need it if it were being pushed to 5,000MHz with 1.65V or something crazy like that. Not sure there are many option available for purchase that are capable of that and would actually benefit from it.

 

haha, it actually states up to 5000 mhz in that link

 

Yeah, I'd be interested to know if the liquid cooling really makes much of a difference in terms of temperatures, and then if it did you'd have to ask yourself if you're willing to put silly voltage (and hopefully lots of Mhz & low latency too) through it to justify the liquid cooling factor. I'd like to see how they do, but wow I bet they're gonna cost a pretty penny, not even taking into account today's RAM pricing climate! Loadsamoney!!!!

 

That is a loaded question that does not have a simple black and white answer. It depends on what you are sacrificing. Lower timings and latency are generally better, but clock is almost always king in terms of performance. CL17 would suck for 3200, but for 4000 it is really good. The higher the clock goes, the harder it becomes to have stability with lower timings. When the clock goes a lot higher, it more than offsets the loss in looser timings. But, in all cases we are talking about very small changes in benchmark scores and game framerates. Buying faster RAM is an expensive proposition with relatively minuscule returns. Very low bang for buck, and really irrelevant in some cases. Once you are at 3000-3200 the differences above that speed are smaller than at slower memory speeds. It can make a big difference in memory benchmark numbers, but everything else is less remarkable. We're talking a few FPS for hundreds of dollars for each FPS, or several hundred dollars more for a small fraction of points in Cinebench or wPrime (as examples).

It is also questionable whether paying a lot more for CL15 or CL16 versus CL17 or CL18 makes good sense. In most cases if it is good quality RAM you can lower them manually and still remain stable, in which case paying extra is like flushing money down the toilet. Kind of like paying extra for a Silicon Lottery CPU. It's an assurance of quality and a means of having confidence that it will run stable as advertised, but nothing more. You don't have to worry about drawing a short straw. If you need it, then it's worth it to have the cherry picked part. If you don't and got lucky in the lottery, then it's a total waste of money. Silicon Lottery CPUs are the same as all of the others, they're just better samples and someone has already culled the crap to sell you the cream of the crop for a premium. You can get a better CPU off of a store shelf if you are lucky. Or, you pay extra to avoid the hassles of rolling the dice. If it's garbage: RMA, rinse, repeat.

 

someone has tried the new bios 1301 asus rog hero x?

 

I have not yet. I did not even notice there was a new BIOS available.

 

https://www.asus.com/es/Motherboards/ROG-MAXIMUS-X-HERO/HelpDesk_Download/

 

Thank you. I will test it this weekend after backing up all of my overclock profiles.

 

I continue with bios 1003, you will tell how the new bios, performance and if less voltage is needed for an overclock ... greetings

 

Yes, after I test I will post here if there is any improvement or degrading of performance is noticeable. I am using 1101 now and everything is good. See all of the benchmarks from last weekend in this thread with the CPU overclocked to 5.5GHz and 5.6GHz.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ers-welcome-too.810490/page-224#post-10717409

 

I heard that by touching some bios parameter it is possible to lower the voltage even more to leave the system stable ... it may be true, I have it at 1.264v right now, if I could touch something, the voltage could go down ...