*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

Looks great. Should keep that GPU nice and cool.

So, you routed the chilled water through the GPU AIO pump and CPU for this benchmark here?

When I get a water chiller I will add quick-disconnect fittings to the CPU look as well, then I can simply unplug the lines to use the cooler and plug the radiators back in again if I want to transport or move the desktop without having the chiller tethered to it. I love quick-disconnect fittings. No mess, plug and play flexibility.

When I mated the EVGA AIO GPU parts with Thermaltake Riing 360 AIO radiator, I was really careful when cutting the hoses and only lost a couple of drops of factory coolant in both halves of the two AIO systems I scabbed together for the GPU to have a 360mm radiator.

 

Thank you. Here is 4133 CL16 instead of CL17.

 

For that bench, no. That is straight off the chiller. (For those who don't know...Yes, I know the bolts are rusty. This is in the testing phase - The block is already 100 percent clean)




When using a chiller do not run a radiator. All they do is heat the water back up or keep the water far warmer than need be.

I haven't test the rad yet, but I will. As you know the line is only 5 mm to and from the pump, so that is a major restriction on flow. The rad is ported to 3/8 x 5/8 or 10 mm x 16 mm. With 6 Fans, so I don't know if it's going to actually work well or just work.

 

Damn, those 1/4" disconnects are actually pretty slick!

 

Is the warmed water that comes off the CPU/GPU outlet side warmer than ambient or still colder than ambient? If you ran the warmed water through the radiator between the CPU/GPU and chiller, then straight from the chiller to the CPU/GPU again, would that still make the water warmer if the ambient temps are cooler than the warmed water? If the ambient temps are hotter than the warmed water coming off the CPU/GPU, then I could certainly see it would make it warmer, and make the chiller have to work harder as well.

 

Tried it all. All it did was make things worse. At that time I was running 4 gpu's plus cpu.
Example:
Room temp is 22C, but water temp is 5C. Water passes through radiator at 5C in side, but leaves at 12C out side (Possible exaggerated example, but you get the idea). And as the loop warms up that number goes up. (Loop warms up from gpu and cpu and now radiator or radiators adding heat.)

If i run my normal over clock, (Yes, i'm running an over clock now. ) the chiller will never cut on. Loop is big enough to sustain it. for a very long time. So no need for add on radiators and fans.
Although having quick disconnects you can do all sorts of things.

 

Yeah, that's definitely a problem. The ambient temps would have to be colder than the warmed water coming off the parts or it would heat the water up to make it ambient temperature that is warmer than the temperature the water is after leaving the CPU/GPU, LOL.

 

I want to buy a rehobus to control the fans and control the revolutions of the pump my liquid cooling is possible

 

I don't see why not. Lots of people do that for their fans ( examples). Might not work for an AIO pump, but a regular 3-pin or 4-pin PWM discrete pump it should. I can see wanting to control the fan speeds, but why would you want to run your pump slower than full blast?

 

I want to control my pump d5 pwm with the rehobus because rs more comfortable, it is possible..I am going to mount a custom rl

 

Well, on some of the newer style motherboards, they have pump connections now for control. So that's an option if your board has it.

Because in some cases....If the pump is to strong for the flow, the pump will start making a lot of noise. And I do mean a lot! At least in the few test I have ran over the last week.

 

My motherboard has a special connection for a pump that looks exactly like a 4-pin PWM header. The cable from my pump with the 4-pin PWM header has only two wires. It reads the speed, but I do not know if there is a way to control the speed through that. The speed has a reading in the BIOS and in HWiNFO64. It runs over 4700 RPM 24/7. It uses a SATA cable for power.

There is also a square pattern 4-pin header (2x2) for a water flow sensor. I am not sure how that works, as I have not looked into it.

There is also an AIO motherboard connection with speed control and sensors that looks the same as a PMW fan header, and I used to use that when I still had the Floe Riing pump. That worked pretty nice, but I always ran it full blast.

 

This post explains how to get it to work. Provided you have the right connections.
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthre...5-Pump-RPM-on-ROG-APEX-Motherboard#post657431

 

Interesting. I've never tried to control it before with the current pump, I just let it always run full blast. Even though they share the same interface in the BIOS or the Intelligent Processor software, it looks like the W_PUMP connection maxes out at 3 times the power as the AIO_PUMP connection.

 

I thought it only ran full blast as well so I left it alone, but now I may go back and re think that.

 

It has separate sensors for RPM, but the control in Dual Intelligent Processor 5 appears to default to whichever one is connected. It does work though. I think I am going to just leave it running full blast all the time. I can never hear it running at full speed. I learn something new every day.


Same thing in the BIOS. Separate sensors, but a shared control that works with whichever water pump header is connected.

@makina69 - you might want to explore that rather than purchase a third-party controller. Free is a great price. If your pump supports it, you can set a "fan curve" of sorts for the water pump speed as well as the fans.

 

Ah....Come on..... That is another gadget to play with for all of 2 minutes. Then put it back to normal. D

Besides, my addon pump would not work with that. Although I put my Swiftech 12V pump back on. And that thing is like dead silent.

 

Yeah, gadgets are good for at least 2 minutes before I lose interest in messing with it. Nice to know that it works in case I ever change my mind. Full blast is my normal setting for this. I see AIDA64 also has sensor output for it.

 

That is nice. Glad to see we are getting more useful sensors.

 

Just for fun...

 

Wasn't just clickbait by Wccftech after all. Retailers from Canada, Russia, and Italy went ahead and listed the i7-8086K, with a base / boost of 4.00 GHz / 5.00 GHz! I wonder how well this pre-binned 8700K will overclock, and how soon after Computex it'll be available. I still have my 8700K sitting in its sealed box...

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/118637-40th-anniversary-intel-core-i7-8086k-listed-online-retailers/
https://videocardz.com/76305/intel-core-i7-8086k-anniversary-edition-cpu-listed-by-retailers

 

@Mr. Fox and @Papusan Did you guys sell your 8700K to intel?

 

Here is the listed clocks http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...updates-p751dm2-g.814350/page-8#post-10713034

 

I'm not gonna lie, if this 8086K can do 5.4-5.5Ghz all cores, it's soldered and makes my coffee in the morning, I am sold. I will be replacing my 8700K with it just because I can.

My 8700K is a top tier chip itself though. I run 5.0Ghz all core 0 AVX offset and it's just 1.248v under load with 1.270v set in BIOS. I could probably run 5.3Ghz all core with a delidd and a better board.

 

I'm not gonna lie either. I don't give a rat's ass about any BGA filth CPU (or GPU). I reject all BGA garbage based on how it is made, why it is made that way and what that means for the suckers that accept it, along with the rest of us innocent bystanders that end up getting screwed by their adoption of this filth. It could run 6.0GHz on all cores stock and I would still tell Intel and the turdbook makers to kiss my butt and then shove up their own hind ends. I will not tolerate BGA garbage. The hatred runs deep, and there are no performance capabilities that will ever make it worthy of receiving acceptance or forgiveness.

Look no further than what has happened with all of the retarded yuppie gamer-kids that are all goo-goo-gah-gah about thin and light trashbooks. Give 'em an inch and might as well get ready to bend over and kiss your sweet cheeks goodbye, 'cause everyone is going to get screwed by the lowest common denominators that are eager to embrace this filth. It's a matter of principle and ethics for me. There is nothing but selfish and evil intentions behind the BGA cancer that has essentially destroyed 99.9% of the high performance notebook industry. It's fine for cheap consumer jokebooks from Walmart and Target that cost less than $500, but that's about the extent of it. I'd love nothing more than to see the peddlers of BGA gamer turdbook feces file bankruptcy and go out of business, or shutter their notebook manufacturing operations.

 

Mr. Fox, you're an intelligent man and I understand the ethics behind voting with one's wallet and encouraging people not to buy BGA, because it's anti-consumer. Everyone gets shafted if there's a high enough acceptance. I also very much prefer socketable solutions so that you can fix, service, or even upgrade a device instead of replacing the whole darn thing. However, when it comes to form factor, people's needs are different. Some people's needs for portability rules out thicker and heavier notebooks, while others don't need the additional power and find the heft and/or price of a true beast to be off-putting. Not saying BGA "gamer" notebooks aren't less value-oriented; they are. It's just that for a big jump in performance, away from the components a thin BGA notebook can cool to a full-blown 1080, you may, understandably, also have to pay more.

As you can see from my sig, I have sinned. Why? Because at the time of purchase, I had almost completely stopped playing games, and at the same time I needed a notebook that didn't eat up too large a chunk of my weight allowance during domestic flights. Even now as I've regained some interest in gaming, the logical step up isn't a more capable notebook; it's a desktop. If I had a thick and heavy notebook, it wouldn't leave the house. I'm very much an either-or person, so if portability takes that big a hit to have a notebook that makes fewer compromises in other areas, I'd rather not make the compromise at all. People are different.

 

I understand that. "All have sinned" in one way or another, me included (but not with this, LOL). Yes, we are all different. Unfortunately, we all suffer the consequences for the behaviors and bad decisions of some. The bar keeps getting lower and lower. I don't mind tolerating the extra size and weight for travel, but I know everyone doesn't feel that way. I enjoy massive notebooks for what they are, don't mind the bulk and weight, and it's worth it to me to not partake in the BGA trash-fest. Plus, I don't ever want to contribute to the problem that has utterly destroyed the concept of high performance notebooks. The least they (OEM/ODM) could do is not make everything so pathetic. But, I am an either or person as well. And, an intolerant one at that. I love rejecting and condemning mediocrity and compromise. We have to keep the sheep separate from the goats.

 

So same all-core turbo as stock 8700K...

I think @Talon meant soldered as in soldered IHS, not as in BGA.

 

Oh well, if that's the case it still felt great to toss a little extra BGA hate around. Good for the soul.

 

Were you talking OC all cores to 5.4-5.5GHz or just what the CPU can do in GHz by raising the core clock? See this thread -

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-–-6c-12t-5-1-ghz.815636/page-3#post-10737707

Just trying to understand the part about doing 5.4-5.5GHz on all cores.

 

Yup, my bad. But, it still felt good, LOL.

 

This is the problem. If they can sell more of it, the more will be pushed out. Some people even don't care (or know) if it has to run +-90C due the chassis design. Aka design beats performance and cooling. At least stop call thin and flimsy a DTR system.

 

O god no man, I meant returning to the glory days of the i7 2600K with a soldered IHS which provided optimal heat transfer (yes far better than LM). The day they solder chips to the motherboard is the day I stop building desktops.

 

That is why I bought the 5820k, the last chip Intel i7 chip that is still soldered and has the best price to performance ratio out of its lineup.

I guess the next natural step for me is AMD... when my 5820k dies (again)

edit: I was wrong, these are the following chips that were the last one's to be soldered from Intel:
LGA 2011-3: 5820K, 5930K, 5960X, 6800K, 6850K, 6950X and Xeons

 

My Broadwell 6850k is soldered Bro, tad bit newer than your Hotwell ... procured this $600 chip new / unused last October for $300 --> price|performace ratio on this 2 year old chip?, not too shabby ... Fox's 8700k spanks it though, got his money's worth, so did I

 

consider it an honor to be spanked by Fox

 

Delidded the HTPC because the cpu fan needed some lube and a clean, so why the hell not

Never knew the 5775C had two dies under there. Edram on separate chip I guess. I wonder if this is a technology Intel might roll out again in the not too distant future if their still-14nm is spanked by 7nm zens.

Dropped 10C all round from last repaste a couple years ago - quieter too as I put it on the silent fan profile.

I'm guilty too

...... but in my defense, it's hard to find a smartphone or tablet with socketed hardware xD

and even the microSD slot is under attack

 

http://hwbot.org/submission/3865550_

 

Bought a couple of these Phobya Shrouds to give a little better air flow plus, give my set up a little more room to release some pressure on my GPU.

Just thought I would post it in case someone is looking to do this. What sold me is the fact that it's supposed to help with using the entire surface of the radiator making your fans more cooling efficient.

Spoiler: Phobya Shroud Description

Description
Phobya's innovative new shroud does not only improve cooling performance, it also offers a whole array of new design possibilities for your system! The shroud increases the cooling performance of your fan/ radiator combination. Mounted between fan and radiator it allows a more even distribution of the Airflow, hence using the whole cooling surface of the radiator. If a fan is mounted on a radiator directly the fan motor creates a dead-spot which leaves some of the radiator's surface unused, reducing the possible cooling performance. Multiple shrouds may also be used on top of each other using longer mounting screws to increase cooling performance even more. The appearance of a PC grows more and more important besides the performance of the system. Phobya has also considered this factor and has made these shrouds from Plexi. If you are using LED fans this allows an interesting and unique effect which will make your system even more of an eyecatcher. Should the luminance from the fan not suffice it is also possible to insert 5mm LEDs in the side of the shroud, bringing the before optically dead space between fan and radiator to life! Model: 38112.

 

We definitely need to get soldered IHS' again and stop this delidding non-sense we're doing only because Intel wants to save a few pennies. Is it generally the case that soldered severely outperforms LM though? der8auer saw a 2ºC decrease from delidding soldered Ryzen 7 CPUs and opting for direct die cooling instead. Isn't that about the temperature difference between a relidded LM i7 and its die-cooled counterpart as well?

Yeah, the smartphone equivalent would be the removal of the headphone jack (oh ****, guilty there as well). Debatably, the exclusion of removable batteries and microSD slots.

 

Ok you might actually be right about LM outperforming soldered CPUs.

Flashed my Strix 1080 Ti with the XOC vBIOS yesterday and having great results. Love having the power and thermal limits removed. The card runs 2050mhz all day now instead of previous 2025mhz-2000mhz with thermal clockdown profile. I haven't tried adjusting from stock voltage either yet. I have noticed that at 2050mhz I am seeing 250-280w power draw under gaming load. The Strix card has a great power delivery design though and temps are 50~C or lower so I'm not worried.

 

Ah yes that is true, but I simply couldn't find any LGA 2011-3 cheap enough compared to my 5820k to justify the performance bump.

And you are completely correct all of the following chips are soldered:
5820K, 5930K, 5960X, 6800K, 6850K, 6950X and Xeons.

 

Oh, I'm not sure which is actually better. I was commenting on how you said soldered was far better; AMD uses indium solder and gold plating which is probably slightly more conductive than gallium. The 2ºC difference was comparing soldered (with IHS) to direct die-cooling (no IHS), not soldered vs LM. I think soldered and LM are about on par with one another in terms of thermal conductivity, without knowing for sure, but soldered obviously comes without the hassle, and is cheaper to the consumer since they don't have to buy LM and delidding tools.

 

Liquid metal can usually perform a little better than soldered IHS. But, the differences are relatively modest and it does not void the warranty like a delid for those that care about that. Soldered IHS is definitely much better than the worthless garbage paste being used on their CPUs now. That stuff is so lousy that voiding the warranty is irrelevant and definitely worth it to have nice thermals.

 

Selling an unlocked CPU with garbage paste is like selling a brand new sports car with cheap, worn out tyres. If Intel were a car dealership, they'd lose customers for trying to screw them over.

 

Or an engine that can handle speeds upto 100 miles/hr eventually breaking down mid-way!

 

Intel should start offering K and X processors pre-delidded with no paste or anything. Just the bare chip with a separate IHS next to it in the box. It would make a lot of sense. They know that a LOT of people buying them (majority, if not practically all enthusiasts) are going to delid to make the product work better. Maybe they use crappy paste on purpose knowing that so they can almost count on an automatic warranty voiding scenario for most of their CPUs. What better customer segment to target this way to save money on warranty replacements than the enthusiasts, since we are the customers that are going to push them the hardest and expect the most from them?

 

But the aftermarket - retail stores are happy with it https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-8086k-6-core-5-ghz-8-june-launch-399-usd/

 

I do like the 8086k naming scheme.

 

The retro numbering scheme is kind of cool.

Now they just need an octacore i7-8088K socket 1151 Z370 CPU that runs 50x8 stock turbo. I might actually go for one of those and bump it up to 55x8 or 56x8 to have something really special if they released it.