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crazy drop in avg. core temps, -13.5C thats like a second delid! u gotta check if that allows u to reach higher multis, even though ure already on the water chiller

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Looks very good!

Yeah, wow, as Jaybee is saying above, about 10 degC lower temps with the bare die! That's a very solid improvement, are you happy with the comparison in temperatures, ie same testing regime & same room temperature? I really didn't expect to see such a big difference, it looks like it was definitely worth doing. Good information about needing to remove the nail polish in order to make sure it has good contact, and that makes total sense. I would think given the already big temperature decrease that it'll be unlikely that you will lap the water block.

 

I am definitely planning to do so. Maybe tomorrow afternoon after church if there is not too much going on with the family.

Yes, I think it was a solid improvement and I am pretty pleased with it. You can imagine how disgusted I was until I figured out what I was doing wrong. I was pretty confused with the initial outcome, as there would be no logical explanation for it running hotter with bare die... maybe little or no change, but certainly not hotter, LOL. So, I knew it had to be something I was doing wrong. What clued me in was when I was looking for a solution I tried a Coollaboratory metal pad and it melted onto the die running a load test in the BIOS, but when I took it apart it never appeared to have made contact with the water block. The top of the melted pad was rough and bubbly looking, not smooth from contacting the water block. Those metal pads are so thin and fragile that it became immediately obvious there was an air gap, which made it clear why Kryonaut and Phobya were running cooler than Conductonaut, since they were sort of plugging the air gap (enough to prevent a thermal shutdown) even though it was still getting way hotter than it ever got with the IHS installed.

I probably will not lap the water block since the improvement was so profound.

Yes, it does look great. Nice job. I meant to say something earlier today and failed to do so.

 

Maybe not that bad after you unlock some of them safe houses for fast travel. D

I never played Doom so have no clue about that game....

There are plenty of adults on there trash talking. More so than kids since now they more match make you with people in your class. And I can not see taking orders from a 12 year old. It's just not going to happen!

 

Yeah... I have been into this uCode world for so long that I can differentiate between microcodes version since they play significant role when OC'ing but also when you just operating at stock speeds with no OC on mind... it will still play some role in improving or worsening things

As of how they are doing it... well.. I really have no idea about there mechanism and how they work... but I care about the results more

 

Has anyone purchased the Performance test suite of benchmarks? I think I asked before, but that was when HwBot wasnt giving points for the test. Now it is 20% off for the month of March, and since this is the last day of the month, I was thinking of purchasing it.

 

Very neat.. how ironic I had just purchased it and saw your post while I was catching up on messages.

 

I highly recommend trying out Passmark Performance Test included in Sergei Strlec Win 10 PE using MinstAll.exe found in SSTR folder once ISO is mounted, if it works fine then buy it.
We're getting into a place where benchmarks are becoming highly tweaked for Launch day PCs/Mobiles and after that the same device spits out worse scores than launch day and waiting for consumers to buy new hardware for higher bench scores. So try it fully before buying it!

 

As far as I can see, HWBOT still is not giving any points for it. Unless they have done something to improve it, the scoring given by PassMark is kind of wonky. Once you submit a score, you cannot submit another one unless it is more than 5% higher than the previously submitted score. That kind of sucks, and that might have something to do with it not earning any points on HWBOT, too. I purchased it quite some time ago and haven't bothered to reinstall it again for the past couple of years. It doesn't really look like they have done much with Performance Test since V9 was released in 2017. If you do not save a link to your submitted score, sometimes it can be difficult to find it again. I also do not like that you get zero major version updates unless you are willing to buy it again. Some of the garbage I bought from PassMark received less than a year of product updates. If you buy a version that gets a version number updated 2 months later you have to pay for the next version update. That really sucks. With most benchmarks you buy, you get version updates for life, or until it becomes an EOL product that doesn't receive any more updates.

Here is why I refuse to buy any more of PassMark's products... paywall fodder and SaaS blows. I hate spending money on software that carries time use or short-term product support limitations.

 

Agree, I hate any type of pay to play/use software. Aida64 is somewhat like that, you get one year of updates, but at least the program itself still functions as it should. I'm still waiting for an update from them so I can see the Radeon VII temp.

I do believe I received points for submitting a score from passmark, I will take a look.
Edit: https://hwbot.org/submission/4105592_
Team Points

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Here's this...

 

Comparing this run with some of the best 7980XE scores I am seeing, this 7960X is performing as well or better on a per-core/thread basis (overall score divided by number of threads). With 4 more threads helping this would be over 12.1K.



Windows 7 versus Windows 10 crap-o-matic cancer edition... identical overclock settings for CPU and GPU, same GPU driver versions.

 

Current direction of Windows is really bad, I have to boot into Linux for VMs to work and MSFT isn't fixing the bug on 19H1 any time soon, VMware/dell doesn't officially support 19H1 either.

 

The direction of Windows has been a mess since Windows 8 was released. They haven't really done anything right since then. I suspect they never will and it will continue to be a craptastic hot and steamy deep dish colon loaf from here on out. Windows 10 is made by losers, for losers. I have zero confidence in Micro$lop or their digital cancer products at this point. They are utterly incompetent.

 

Long live Windows 7. Hello to Linux.

Update: @Mr. Fox @Vasudev .., check out https://mxlinux.org/ when you have time. It's gaining a lot of traction. I'll install it tomorrow and test drive it...

It sounds like what Linux "Ubuntu" Mint (Intel) is to MX "Debian" Linux (AMD) in the Linux world...

What caught my eye was that it seems to be pretty friendly with windows app support and the ability to run some drivers uncommon to the norm with Linux in general. ... You know what that means. * First thought that came to mind... Cinebench lol.

 

Amen!

 

Try Cinebench R11 and R15 on Linux. Badly optimised Linux scores are higher than Windows.

 

I think @Mr. Fox has already done this, hasnt he? They were very comparable to Windows 7.

 

Here's my Linux CB R20 run... I think the only successful CB R20 run on Linux so far.

 

I'm working on some custom copper IHS to accommodate the thicker adhesive after delidding, because the stock adhesive is very inconstant after a delid upon a ton of data of measuring a lot of CPU's.

The design provides the most "practical," surface area...


I'm milling them a little deeper and it seems to make better contact as I've tested it with high end pressure paper rated at specific psi so that I know if it's too much or too little pressure. Stock Intel is about ~0.15mm, but I'm doing 0.02mm more to compensate for the relid/adhesive and it seems to be working pretty well..


There is still a lot to test and this is very beta, but I'll keep you all posted.

Cheers

 

Cool!

Why are you milling deeper than the stock IHS, it's less likely to make close contact to the chip the deeper you make it? The only rational for milling it deeper than the stock IHS is if you think that the glue layer you are going to apply is going to be thinner than how they do it at Intel, but you say you are milling it deeper to accomodate a thicker glue layer, it should be the other way around (the way I'm envisiging it). (I'm referring to the depth of the recess where the chip sits).

 

In theory yes, but it all depends on the thickness of the adhesive. So far I've found that this adjustment works well. I'll be tweaking it some more with different variations of a relid. What I've found so far having worked on many 9900K's is that having some 'cushion' room (aka... not having the bare copper smack right on the die itself) is best. One of the reason I've been testing a deeper depth is for XOC applications as well where one would not be using LM.

 

I still cannot get it to run on Linux. Weird that R11.5 and R15 run fine. I cannot figure out why R20 won't launch.

I accidentally posted this in the wrong thread last night.

Physics Only

Full Run...

 

New Fire Strike PR: 26226
New Graphics Score PR: 30737

Area 51M / 9900K / 2080

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18936854

 

Grab newer standalone R20 from Maxon.net, I think it will work!

 

@Vasudev replied right when I was typing. Try the newer one ... hope it works!

 

I downloaded it yesterday, just haven't tried it yet.

Did you guys see a message when extracting it? I downloaded it a couple of times thinking the first archive was corrupted. Didn't change anything.

 

Oh interesting... hmm I don't recall seeing that message. Maybe @Vasudev would know the details of that message.

 

I downloaded it again this morning and it extracts without error. The file name is different (no underscore) and so is the checksum. The previously hosted file must have been messed up.

 

Excellent. Does it work now? (R20) Looking forward to the results.

 

So as some of you know I've been having problems with running any benchmarks CPU related. My highest Cinebench R20 was 11642@50x18 on page 454 post 4533. I'm doing what Brother @Johnksss told me to do. He said to start at 4.0 on all cores and work my way up checking the voltage each time to see if I have a borked CPU. I'm up to 4.8 x18 so far.

 

Fair enough, but doesn't add up to me. But it's impressive work you are doing there in terms of milling it yourself & experimenting with different options.

 

Great stuff! Keep us posted. Looking forward to seeing how it progresses. 18 ponies... What a monster.

Danke. Yea it's unusual I know as the mind says one thing, but the results says another. There are so many variables when it comes to this stuff, along with very tight tolerances. One little thing can throw things way off.

 

Nope. Not sure why. Cinebench R11.5 and R15 work fine still. WINE is current. System is fully updated.

I also cannot get CPU-G to run, but I think it has never been updated for Bionic and may not be compatible. Same appears to be true for CPU-X... installed, but refuses to run. I-Nex cannot even be installed from what I can tell. The repository is incompatible with Bionic.

Maybe I will try replacing Mint with openSUSE and see if that works any better.

 

@4.9 going for 5.0

 

I have that message but CB r20 launched fine but didn't run on Linux as I hoped. I think iunlock was using newer upstreamed WINE package.

 

I am using the newest I can find.

When I launch it I see a notification status code 0, a bit of activity with the spinning cursor thing, then it exits with a notification code of -1 with nothing ever appearing on my screen other than the notification status code.

This sort of silliness is why I did not abandon Windows for Linux many years ago. It's a real pain in the ass when so many things don't work. I like Linux better than Windows 10, (which isn't saying a lot,) but I don't think it has the functional ability to replace it. Too many limitations to contend with. Even the most basic applications we take for granted (CPU-Z, GPU-Z, HWiNFO64, ThrottleStop, AIDA64, etc.) have no functional equivalent as a substitute in Linux.

I am going to see if there is a way I can run root/sudo as a user 24/7 as well. I hate having to type in my password so frequently. That sucks, like Windows UAC, and needs to be permanently disabled. If I type a password when I sign into the OS, it should never have to be typed again, for any reason, unless I lock the machine or log off.

 

Check this out. This works way better than I expected.

The storage system management is also pretty nice. Looks a lot like a browser version of "My Computer" (Windows File Explorer)...

Heck, even my WiFi connected printer works with it. I didn't even have to do anything to set it up. It was just "already there" LOL.
@Johnksss

 

Google is the new MSFT wherein everything worked be it printers, audio cards etc w/o any fuss. I'm thinking of using GApps more than MSFT apps because they're much more reliable and data being messed is almost NIL.
Last time I checked, GSuite has trouble opening MS Office docs,spreadsheets etc..

 

Only makes sense, but in a diabolical way. It is harder for the Redmond Retards to maintain a monopoly and extort money from us if their files open properly with GSuite/Google Docs, LibreOffice/OpenOffice and Corel apps.

 

Extortion? Haha..... Well, you can become the middle guy using KMS activator and put it in permanent rearm mode.

 

talk about those old dogs learning new tricks! nice!

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Well fellas... debating... W7 Install on the test bench, testing the custom IHS on the 9900K tonight or more tuning on the A51M? I have quite a few radiators to flush as well...

@JoeT44 you can do it bro! 50x ... you've got this...

@Mr. Fox The OS is pretty clean yea? I actually bought a HP Chromebook a while back a few BF's ago and have been using it around the shop to pull stuff up on my google drive. I feel much more comfortable with a >$150 laptop that can get the job done sitting next to all the tools etc and not have to worry too much, than having even my Samsung tablet sitting there lol. As for the simplicity of the OS, there are many Linux distro's that can achieve that with a little tweaking...

I've been thinking of maybe doing a Linux 101 check list of things to do as it would help with overcoming that initial learning curve that often is responsible for turning a lot of windows users off ... I think if we can address that, then it would be much more appealing for people and up the retention rate. @Vasudev

 

That one... best use of your time.

That is a great idea, bro. And, I think it would help mitigate the turn-off.

Linux isn't that hard. What is hard for me is the lack of solid (and current) documentation for it and the lack of solid software applications for it. I don't mind switching to a better OS, and actually want to switch... But, I don't want to have to do without all of the software and utilities that I have come to love so much. Those are the pieces that make owning a computer something to get excited about, no the OS. The OS is merely the foundation that exists so that all other software has an environment to work in, and it just needs to stay out of our way. That's one of the biggest problems with Windoze 10. Micro$lop wants their OS to be "special" and that just doesn't make good sense. Instead of being something special it is becoming an annoyance and an impediment, and an object of hate for some.

 

Amen to that. Also to add, the edge Linux has over other platforms is that it is open source so that we're not at the mercy of a corporation to make changes like micro$haft windoze.

 

I just seem to lose interest in Linux. I slap it on a VM and play with it for a while, then forget about it. Maybe I will triple boot it for real, and play with it again. I just cant find a build that really sticks out for me. Im a customization freak, so maybe something that is highly themeable or tweakable, if those are words. Are there any builds that support aero styling like 7?

 

Have you tried Linux Mint 19.1 + Cinnamon? You can tweak it to your hearts content. If the Windows 7 theme is what you're looking for there are quite a few options with some easy to set up plugins. Here's just an example of some that you can customize.

When it comes to Linux the issue is (good problem in a way) is that there are too much to choose from with a ton of options and Linux Distros. If you want it to look and feel like Windows that's 100% possible and the same can be said for OSX users who want that familiar environment.

Out of all the Distro's I like Mint 19.1 with Cinnamon the best. It just works without all the manual labor of tweaking every little thing. I think that's where it turns a lot of people off is that they start with a super plain vanilla distro and quickly gets fed up with it... heck I still do til' this day and I've been using Linux for ages now so I totally get it.

Give Linux Mint 19.1 w/ Cinnamon a try and let us know how you like it. Here is a link to the Mint forum that has a ton of info...

Another option that's worth a test drives is also MX Linux which is Debian based and it has a very extensive manual of I think 174 Pages! ( @Mr. Fox I forgot to mention that in the previous post about mx linux). It's very detailed and nicely laid out... but I use Linux Mint because I prefer Ubuntu as that just so happens to be the flavor that I like.

Throughout the years I've noticed as well that another thing that really turned off people with Linux is the lack of common language support, where you'll find a lot of these people on the linux forums are uber geeks / coders etc... so when you ask a simple question, you get a very complex + not straight the point answer and that has always irked the heck out of me. @Vasudev am I right? LOL ...

There are exceptions like with all things. Here is my thread asking about manually creating different partitions to control the swap size. I've received pretty decent answers, but as you can see no one answered my original question directly.

I remember years ago and even today when I ask a simple ABC 123 question, the answers that I get are all over the place ...like what the heck? Just answer the darn question ...

This is why I'm really thinking of putting something together for those who are getting introduced to Linux... between my OCD and experience I think it may be very beneficial. Now I just pray for some more time to get to it!

 

im sure there would be great interest for a "benching/gaming" style linux distro for NBR users fed up with W10

 

Oh man would that be great. I know a handful of us here would jump on that like crazy. The good news is that the future looks really bright for Linux...

We may not get the full on Vulken gaming shift due to the monopoly, but a good enough compatibly with things like Wine will do just fine...