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.....and the proprietary hardware/software that only supports windows 10!

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@Mr. Fox or @Rage Set I created a new username for HWBOT. Can you please PM the password for PremaMod? Thanks

 

@Prema Thanks!

 

Hi guys, do you think this voltage is too high for an 9700k @5ghz?



There are a lot of sensor's in HWMonitor I'm not sure which to look at XD.

 

That should be fine. I wouldn't worry about it. Anything below 1.500V with good temps is a generally safe core voltage range and you are way less than that.

If you look in your BIOS, many UEFI desktop enthusiast motherboards will indicate a "normal" or "safe" voltage range by text color, side-bar "help" information, or both. When you see the text change to red for manually applied settings, that is your clue that you are pushing it to a limit that requires more caution and extraordinary cooling (assuming your BIOS has color coding like that). The text colors like cyan, yellow and pink are fine as long as your temps are good.

 

I have a 6700K that I've been using overclocked and delidded with temperatures in the 20-60 degC range during use and never above around 65degC during any stress testing I've done, and I saw a small amount of CPU degredation whilst using 1.4V as the VCore value - I saw about 8mv of CPU degredation over a period of a year. There was a guy that did some CPU degredation testing of 7700K CPUs at different voltages, and he found that at 1.45V you would lose a really tight overclock over a period of a year, which is similar to my experience. Have a read of my post here for more details (which also includes a link to his testing too): http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ers-welcome-too.810490/page-296#post-10766430.
Based on extrapolations of his testing I worked out that 1.35V was completely safe, and that is what I'm using now. One of his findings was that you definitely shouldn't use 1.5V and under no circumstances 1.55V - those statements might not apply when using exotic cooling like chilled water or something, but only if CPU is running at very low temperatures, afterall I saw CPU degredation when my CPU was normally operating in the 40's & 50's during gaming. Some people think that up to 1.45V is safe: https://www.overclock.net/forum/5-intel-cpus/1570313-skylake-overclocking-guide-statistics.html

At 1.35V though you'll be totally fine, and you're below that, so you're good to go.

 

Looks like I have now joined the 27K over all - 31K+ GPU club. Was basically waiting on the A51M to beat my last score.
Looks like it's no longer a side view or a rear view window. More like 3 car links back.

 

Good to see the King finally move that lazy a$$ of his and push the power button on his system!

Welcome to the 27/31 club!

 

Thank you for your answers!

Are you talking about LLC? In that case, Aorus makes the following division: Xtreme, Turbo, Ultra, High, Medium, Low, Auto (and disabled I believe). I can post some pictures when I arrive home if you want.
Right now I have it in Turbo, which is the second higher value. I think I maybe should drop it to medium, but it would make me increase vCORE voltage.
Temps are quite good I think, playing BFV stays around 45-55ºC depending on the circumstances.

What concerns me more it's the fact I don't really know what sensor should I check in order to be sure what is the actual voltage CPU is taking, because there are a tons of vCORE values in HWMonitor, LOL.

 

Ah, you have more than one VCore value! Playing it safe you'd make sure that all of the VCore values were below your chosen maximum, but that's only if you don't know which one is the 'accurate' one. You might want to Google which VCore value you should be paying attention to when it comes to Gigabyte motherboards. Having said that, I'm sure there are people here that have used Gigabyte motherboards that can advise you which VCore reading is the closest to reality.

Mr Fox is talking about the font colour in the BIOS for where you tell the motherboard how much voltage to use (either as an offset in mv or as a static voltage depending on what 'mode' of overclocking you're using), probably not the LLC value although LLC value will also influence how much VCore you get when under load - it's a load balancer for the VCore that combats vdroop. vdroop is the natural phenomenon of seeing increasingly lower VCore as CPU Watt consumption increases. Ideally you want a flat VCore reading when under significant CPU loads, and LLC is just a means of fudging an offset/adjustment to the amount of voltage 'asked for' as load increases to attain that flat voltage as load increases. On my board I just leave LLC at Auto/default, and I think I read generally that most default LLC options are fine with most motherboards. If you increase LLC to a too high level, then under load you will actually get an increased or greatly increased VCore, which can be dangerous, so be careful if you experiment with the higher levels of LLC.

 

Every brand seems to use slightly different terminology for certain setting and that tends to help make things a little more confusing, but I was referring to all settings relating to voltage values having color coding and side bar help. Not sure if Gigabyte is like that, but my ASUS and EVGA motherboards have used color coding for all voltage values. LLC has more to do with fluctuations in core voltage during different load conditions rather that the actual voltage values.

 

I'm just at the /31 club. Maybe when Ryzen 3xxx hits, I will join that club.

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GIGABYTE AORUS Z390 Guide to Overclocking Intel 9000 series CPUs to 5GHz+

 

I've been running [email protected] for years with no degradation. Literally, since around 2016 with no issue. The only degradation I've seen on my chips is the 4790K got a little degraded, but since that happened on my first chip, which was killed when the laptop died due to a surge, I haven't really seen it on the second chip since then.

Also, that guy that had degradation had, at other instances, done things that would accelerate degradation when playing above 5GHz separate from his daily driver and voltage, IIRC. Then there is just silicon lottery and natural degradation of chips.

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Yep, thank you, that was one of the sources I used to OC my 9700k just wanted to be sure about voltages.
Thanks!

 

If people are afraid for Cpu degradation and intend to have the chips several years at max clock speed then try hold it around 1.36v or lower and at lowest possible temp. But there is no fasit... Some chips is more fragile than other. None is 100% equal. Some will faile before they reach expected life span and some will have happy life 15 years down the road

 

That's what I'm trying, TBH if it lasts like 5 years at full performance I'll be happy, it doesnt need to work 15 years, this is a gaming rig .

Btw: 1.306 max value in Prime95 . So I'll let it here.
I tried 5,2Ghz but voltage muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch higher xD.

 

Yes, it might not be a "one size fits all" when it comes to individual retail units and degredation, perhaps some examples of 6700K will decay quicker than other examples of 6700K even if treated at the same temperature/load/voltage, etc. All we can do is communicate our experiences, and then others can judge what risks they're willing to take with regard to voltages & temperatures. There's bound to be trends & averages that describe degredation for any given model of CPU, but we're not really privy to that info. We have ballpark ideas on what is safe/dangerous.

 

Congrats! Excellent score... I just got back from traveling; was eager to come home, but was faced with this...

9900K Bare Die Kit for my Desktop...


Then testing the Nickel plated IHS for 9900K on the other test bench...


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To fire up the A51M lol... To be honest I'm much more excited about working on the desktop, but from seeing @Prema first post about the 27K that was pretty motivating...

We shall see if this thing can break the 27/31 sound barrier ...

 

Thanks!

You sound like me!
4960X/Rampage IV Extreme
9900K/Maximus Hero Wifi
7980XE/EVGA Dark X299 and crappy Seahawk 2080 TI
P870TM1 9900K/2080/1080 SLI/1070
Division 2
My damn TV shows.
Not to mention work!

Yes, it usually @Mr. Fox or @Prema making me move.

That does look interesting....Waiting to see how yours pans out.

 

My son had a bad accident and he's in intensive care Please guys pray for him. He's my only son. I'm a basket case

 

May the Lord protect your son and bless you and your loved ones with inner peace, strength and faith!

@Mr. Fox
@Donald@HIDevolution

 

Thank you Brother.

 

@Prema do you have Brenner's number. I lost it.

 

Check your PM

 

I am so sorry to hear that. I hope and pray that this situation turns out alright....

 

Oh Joe, I am so sorry.

Oh Lord, please hear our prayers and watch over Joe, and his son. We know your power for healing, and we pray that you use it here to heal his son, and give Joe strength while he watches his son recover. Amen

 

Bro, I am very sorry to hear. You and your family are in our prayers.

 

I am glad you were able to reach me and we will all keep your son, you and the family in our prayers. Please keep us posted.

 

May the Lord bless him with speedy recovery.

 

Your family is in our prayers, brother.

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I hope the best for your son and your family, Joe .

 

I hope he fights back and gets through it soon.

 

I'm so thankful for all you guys and your love and support. This community is like family to me. I did not sleep all night and had the phone by my bedside. I will be going to the hospital this morning. I will keep you updated as I find out exactly what happened. My daughter in law said that they were at a restaurant and he passed out in the restroom and someone found him laying in a pool of blood unconscious. His head hit the floor and he has bleeding in his brain. The doctors said he might have had a stroke and he also has a heart rhythm problem. He's only 52. Ever since he was born he has been a loving and beautiful son to me.

 

That's rough, I don't have any kids & can only imagine what it's like to go through these things, but I wish you all the most fortune and strength in this time.

 

Part One of my newly reformulated 9900K build, featuring the MO-RA3 Pro 360 Rad...coming soon.

 

Hi guys, just an update on Joe Jr.'s condition. When I got to the hospital yesterday morning I was so happy to see him awake and lucid albeit still a little foggy due to the fall. He has no evidence of a stroke and has been moved to a cardiac intensive care unit. He has 2 blood clots in the front of his brain from hitting the back of his head when he fell. The doctors said they would resolve in a couple of weeks. I found out from his wife that in the last month he has passed out at home twice. Thank the Lord that someone was home and he did not hit his head. They are doing a complete and thorough cardiac workup and think he might have a heart electrical problem called Atrial fibrillation. If that proves correct he will have to be on a blood thinner for life. They can not put him on that medication until his blood clots dissolve. I am so grateful and thankful to the Lord that He had mercy on my beloved son and to you fine brothers for your prayers and support. Thank you

 

@Mr. Fox
I ordered Phobya NanoGrase Extreme.
Which apply method do you recommend for a (MSI) laptop? Pea? Spread?

 

Awesome. Hallelujah! Thanks for the update. I was going to call you today to check the status. That is an answered prayer.

It doesn't make a lot of difference as long as you get full coverage. I prefer the spread method. On a laptop I also add an extra half-pea-sized dot or thin line down the middle after spreading since fit is generally poor. On my desktop spreading with no extra in the middle is perfect.

 

That is a huge relief and I pray he continues to a full recovery!

 

Wow I just caught up with all the messages and when I saw yours @JoeT44 I had immediately prayed for you and your family. We'll make sure to keep you all in our prayers for sure. It was great to see the positive update as well. Please keep us posted Brother.

 

That's a partial relief! We pray that the clots dissolve magically w/o causing side effects. Blood thining is very risky medication. Let's hope for the best and pray for speedy recovery!

 

Happy Resurrection Day and may our God richly bless each and everyone of you for the outpouring of your kindness, love and support. I love you all my brothers!

 

I couldnt find better than this. Happy second part of Easter Push out some Golden Eggs Benches... Happy Easter holidays to you ALL.

 

@Prema
Your post reminded me of this episode of "In Living Color"
Jump to 5:18

 

Getting very close to my Cinebench R15 high score on Windows 7. Still no luck with R20 on Linux (won't run).



Getting closer with Cinebench R11.5 as well...

 

Score with OpenGL is not as high as DirectX, but still pretty respectable... GPU core clocks are not read correctly. For 2205 MHz I have to use GreenWithEnvy (Linux substitute for MSI Afterburner) to set it to 2304 MHz.

 

It is interesting how many games run on Linux now with Steam Play (Proton 4.2-3) or with Lutris that otherwise would not. I have been methodically testing games on my laptop while traveling for business and finding almost all of them play the same or better with Vulkan and OpenGL instead of DirectX. I'm starting with older titles. Below are the titles that all work fine thus far... no discernible difference than playing on Windows, even with my pathetic K1100M graphics in the HP ZBook 15. And, I am using the same Steam library folders for Linux (on a Windows NTFS volume) as Windows, LOL.

 

Happy Easter everyone.

@Mr. Fox how ironic in that just yesterday I was amazed while looking into all the playable games on Linux via steam (proton) + lutris. It looks like Nvidia is putting just as much resources into Linux driver support now as they are with windows, which is shocking....

I think we're in for a big surprise here... Wonderful news for us. Very promising...

 

Thanks @Mr. Fox for suggesting GWE. I'll try it. Is Proton Play a pay to play version or can Steam games on Windows can download needed components for better gameplay w/o payment? I have 2-4 Steam games and I need to test 3dmark on Linux since it uses Java it should work properly on any platform.

None have time to test Nvidia broken drivers which gets released every month.