*Official* NBR Desktop Overclocker's Lounge [laptop owners welcome, too]

Are you referring to reworked current drivers that are available now? If so, that's not what I was referring to. What I had meant is that the development for drivers -for- Linux is really picking up pace... that is what is promising... very much looking forward to what this will all result to... so far so good with all the game support we're seeing...

Any step forward to get away from windows is a plus ...

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I don't know about re-worked drivers since re-working will take another 10 years since Linux is moving from X-server to Wayland.
I use these instead of broken Nvidia Linux drivers https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
They are much safer than nvidia because nvidia driver re-write X server files in etc/ and /usr to change Intel display monitor to nvidia Prime display and only way to resolve it is to clean install Linux, that's why I prefer Debian/Ubuntu nvidia or these upstream nvidia fixed that plays safe with various DE and distros. I changed my OCD algorithm from version to stability. These upstream releases are way behind than nvidia versioning but are more stable for 24/7 usage and will not complain with Kernel Panic and other garbage.

 

When you install Steam on Linux, go into the settings and one of the last pages there is a box you can check to enable Proton. There is no cost and when you install those games (the compatible titles) Steam will automatically reconfigure it for Linux. This applies to games that were not originally intended or written to run on Linux.

I haven't been able to get 3DMark benchmarks to run (yet) but I am learning new tweaks every week. Since they primarily use DirectX, not OpenGL or Vulkan, getting them to work may be more difficult even though they use Java. I am seeing OpenGL and Vulkan titles as easier to run under Linux and generally performing better when using Wine is not necessary. Probably because they are working natively rather than "spoofing" a Windows environment. I can see the future of gaming moving away from DirectX almost entirely, which is ultimately good for everyone involved except for Micro$lop.

 

Interesting video... "automated LN2 cooling" LOL...



ROBOCLOCKER is a new way to overclock using Liquid Nitrogen. Vince "KINGPIN" Lucido and Illya "TiN" Tsemenko built this machine and along with EVGA hardware were able to set 5 new 3DMark World Records. Hardware Used: EVGA X299 DARK Motherboard Intel 7980XE CPU EVGA 1600 T2 Power Supply NVIDIA TITAN V G.SKILL TRIDENT Z DDR4 EVGA DG-87 Case

 

Yeah, it is supposed to be able to recoup a percentage of the LN2, but it kept breaking down. GN had a video on it last year.

 

I still use Ubuntu nvidia drivers for that very reason. The practice of going for stability over driver version is one that I use even on windows... latest isn't better ...

Remember I've been preaching this even with Android phones for example. I don't get why people jump on the latest update when it is often worse ... newest firmware does not mean that it's better. Therefore, in that regard the release of updates in a non factor for me when I'm happy using MM 6.0 over the horrific sour Android Pie that is hideous.

The link that you've provided is a very valuable resource for Nvidia Linux drivers, one that is my go to as well... thanks.

Ah yes I remember seeing this... Neat concept. Imagine a LN2 daily driver lol ... now we'll be paying for (gas/fuel) for two major things in our lives... our car and LN2 for the rig haha. -- Looking forward to seeing how this progresses....

 

Not sure how I missed it almost a year ago, LOL. I don't miss too many videos of stuff like that.

I used the AHA music app and found out who did the music on the video (nifty Chrome extension). Never heard of them before... I'm more of a heavy metal and hard rock kind of guy, but really like it. Great background music for videos like this.

Secret Weapon EP - Au5 and Fractal

That is the repository I am using for NVIDIA drivers for Linux as well. No issues with them at all.

 

The Roboclocker was something he [Vince and team] wanted to bring to market as an actual product. Of course, Der8auer, was going to bring something similar to market (phase shift cooler); introduced around the same time as the Roboclocker. Obviously, neither made it to market and likely never will. I'm surprised no one made a water block for DTR's. No I'm not including the water cooling module Asus made for one of their laptops.

I hope you had a happy Easter bro! Mine was filled with apizza giana and family/friends. Haha.

 

Yes, thank you. We had a very nice Easter. We had a excellent meal with one of my sons and his in-laws, and a good church service. They are Mexican, so we had some really awesome authentic home-cooked cuisine... chile rellenos, enchiladas, etc.

 

Glad to hear you guys had a great Easter. It's always a good time...

Speaking of cooling @Rage Set a water block would be awesome...totally possible and I'm sure we all welcome that.

Here's a little project I have going on with the A51M. It'll totally work. I just need to get a good copper block (replacing the stock copper block) soldered onto the cpu cold plate and it'll be golden. I may replace the tension screws on the cpu side to accommodate for some of the tolerance levels.



@Mr. Fox now I'm hungry for some mexican food.

 

It will be really interesting to see how much more effective soldering a copper block to the heat sink cold plate might be versus the IHS given the amount of metal the heat needs to pass through will be roughly the same in order to maintain proper dimensions necessary for component fit, but with less thermal resistance than the IHS with TIM.

 

That's a very good point. I was thinking of maybe actually heat-bending the entire section so that I wouldn't have to add more medium for the heat to pass through... the % loss of thermal transfer rate is really high even with the slightest amounts so I'm thinking perhaps reworking the heat sink itself is the better way to go... Hmm decisions decisions .... the good thing is that due to the way that I bend the heat pipes, it couldn't cause metal fatigue. The process is long and tedious...

I'll measure tonight the overall distance from the cpu die to the cold plate...it should't be too much.

 

That sounds better, when I read your earlier post I had reservations about the thermal effectiveness of a solid piece of copper soldered to your existing heatsink - I didn't really see that as being more effective than the stock config of IHS.

 

See post above mine http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-1729#post-10900226

You'll need god fits on die. Add in a piece of copper won't make the big difference vs. a good Intel lid.

 

Yeah, you need a good fit on the die. Yes, I said I didn't think a piece of copper soldered would make much difference vs the stock IHS - i.e. not worth doing probably.

 

I didn't specify in detail at first, but what my initial plan (no longer the plan) was to remove the stock copper block entirely and to re-solder on a slightly thicker one.

Would the effectiveness be similar to having an IHS? Likely, but I think it would be a little better since the cpu die now is making direct contact with the actual cold plate (one less contact point) ...

I'm still debating if I want to mod the stock heat sink lol... I think I'm just going to get a spare heat sink and just woke with that.

 

The problem is bare die is extremely sensitive to fit. When I first installed my die frame the temperatures were absolutely insane. I had cores hitting 115C under modest load. It took about 30 minutes of fiddling with loosening and jiggling the water block before it fit right, then the temperatures plummeted to impressive values. Remember, it does not need to be super tight, just has to fit perfectly flat. If there is the slightest amount of misalignment the die will not be contacting anything. You can try rotating the water block 1/4 turn on the bolts as well. (Doing that actually improved my temps before I went bare die.)

Bare die is excellent, but very unforgiving with regard to fit and contact. The effort will be worth it in spite of being tedious. If you run it at stock clocks with a continuous load like Prime95 and watch the temps with HWiNFO64, you might get the fit and tension dialed in faster.

I suspect this will be the greatest challenge that @iunlock encounters getting things to fit correctly with his bare die laptop heat sink mod as well. It might prove to be very difficult since there are multiple elements involved with the unified heat sink.

 

Oh wow haha just as I had submitted my reply in the other thread, I saw this here... it confused me for a sec.

Here's my reply from the other thread for our fellow comrades here.

"That is true since the tolerance levels are a lot more slim and a lot less forgiving than a desktop. I'm scraping my original plan of replacing the stock copper cold plate with a thicker one and going with properly realigning the cpu section, however, this will be very time consuming and tedious. I've got some ideas though..."

 

Yes, I was confused as well. I posted and wanted to edit it and could not find my original post, LOL. It seems I was in the Clevo OC thread and thought the post was in this thread.

The die is just barely taller than the die frame. This is out of necessity because the height of the die is minimal. (I haven't measured it, but just guessing it is like maybe 1mm or less, and the 9900K is probably shorter than the 7960X die.) There is no margin for error with such tight tolerance. So, if the heat plate/water block is cocked in the slightest amount it is going to be resting on the die frame rather than making contact with the CPU die. On the positive side, the likelihood of breaking the CPU die is minimal because it is being protected by the die frame.

 

New PR with the A51M

Fire Strike - 26435
(GPU 31K Club)


@Johnksss I'm hoping to hit 27K soon. Graphics wise it's holding its own @ 31163 ... now just 'gotta' focus on the CPU... this feels like a nascar race between me you and @Prema Good fun...

@Prema I actually had my 8086K in the system then swapped the 9900K back in. Regarding your comments about the 2100mhz cap, I didn't get a chance to respond to them as I was leaving for a trip, but yea I agree...what a bummer. It's something that I had noticed early on during the first phase of benching.

 

And you have the die size. Bigger and more square vs. 9900K. + the unified heatsink. Not a easy task. I have seen many struggle get the promised temp decrease. And this in desktops with better opportunities. But everything is possible if you work hard.

 

@makina69 Here is my original post where I had mentioned the importance of fit.

The nail polish I had on the CPU was enough to throw things off, so you know the tolerances are extremely thin, LOL.

 

Oh right, that removal of stock copper block & replacing totally with slightly thicker copper block sounds better than what I initially thought you meant when I talked about soldering a copper shim onto your existing heatsink, but your latter idea of bending the heatpipes to allow for the existing thickness copper block to contact your CPU still seems like the better idea for effectiveness.

 

If you can get it to sit flat and fit perfectly, I think that would be better than stock. What might work best is to machine or sand down the bottom of the IHS to completely remove the lip on the die side of the IHS and solder the IHS directly to the cold plate. This would maintain all of the dimensions and geometry of the stock configuration and mitigate the inefficiency of thermal transfer through thermal paste from the IHS to the heat sink. That might eliminate the need for extensive modding to achieve proper fit. But, the trick would be in getting the two surfaces to mate with enough precision to work right. If it was off in the slightest the two surfaces would not mate well and may cause thermal problems. But, considering fit is generally pretty sloppy on laptops anyhow, there is a chance it could still be better than stock. I'd want to have a spare heat sink on hand just in case it did not turn out well as planned.

 

I don't think that IHS idea would work too well, it's basically the same idea as soldering a copper shim to the existing heatsink - it still creates a physically thicker barrier for the heat transfer from CPU core through to the heat pipes which do the work in removing the heat, whilst it also creates another interface (even if it is soldered) for heat transfer to cross (the one between the 'shim' and the existing heatsink copper block). So you're losing efficiency through 2 ways by doing that: extra thickness plus one more interface. To me, using the existing heatsink block and bending the heat pipes to allow for direct contact of the existing block to the CPU core is the one that should provide the best theoretical temperatures - the challenge is getting it to fit perfectly though, by bending the heatpipes perfectly, sounds very difficult & probably is, but should provide better results if it's perfectly done. Whether or not it's gonna be possible to do it accurately or not in reality, I have no idea, but @iunlock seemed pretty confident about accurate heatpipe bending.

 

If it could be done with proper fit it and all of the stars are in alignment, it should be better than stock because the IHS would be the shim and you would be improving the thermal conductivity with solder versus TIM. Unless the stock fit is really bad, the improvement in thermal transfer would likely be pretty small assuming that everything is perfect. However, you would not be adding an extra layer by using the IHS as the spacer.

But, fit is definitely the wild card. Probably much easier said than done. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. Eliminating anything between the die and heat sink/water block would be the ultimate solution. Having anything there (including the IHS) largely defeats the purpose of going to a bare die setup.

 

Yeah, I too think it would be better than stock for exactly those reasons you mention re solder vs TIM. Oh yeah, I see how you're looking at it now: the distance for heat travel would be the same with your IHS mod vs stock, so no loss there, but I'm referring to a comparison with bending the heatpipes and no IHS - that moves the heatpipes closer to the heatsource & therefore heat transfer is improved (so that's the comparison I was making before).

 

New PR.

Fire Strike: 26517
(Broke the 26[500] barrier...shooting for 27K)

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19144274

New Fire Strike Graphics PR: 31215
(Broke the 31[200] barrier...)

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19144276

 

I see Umar is in Heaven, iunlock But when will he discover the reality? Maybe he could post info about the burning Area-51m problem also? Not a single word about that. Neither from AW + XPS line General Manager Azor.

https://twitter.com/aw_umar/status/1120794326425047040

@Prema @Johnksss

Edit.
Btw. Answer back
https://twitter.com/PremaMod/status/1121034467475324928

 

I had no idea there was a tweet about it lol. I'm still working towards 27K overall score...

Did you forget to see the Graphics score of 31215?

Also, let's not forget what system is the underdog here. If it was apples to apples then fair game, it is what it is ... however, the reality is that it's not 1:1 due to the power limitations, hence why the physics is a piece of work lol...

It's easy to claim victory with the faster car. If only the A51M had the Prema touch... then it'd be 1:1 ... who know's maybe there will be updates to help with the physics. Either way... both rigs are at very high altitudes for what they are....

 

New PR:

Fire Strike: 26601
(Broke the 26[600] barrier...shooting for 27K)


https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/35623405

 

I look also on the physics scores (I value the whole range. Not only for the graphics.). But nice graphics numbers. Turing Mobile is still Crippled as it is now.

 

Well of course. There are Overall, Graphics, Physics and Combined. I was just seeing if you saw the graphics score. Physics is still a work in progress and I have higher scores into the mid 27K (physics), but although valid those runs were odd.

Yea the 2100walL is annoying...

 

This sort of retarded nonsense (whether it involves a CPU or GPU) is exactly why I am done with expensive laptops. Not spending any more money on expensive broken mobile trash. (I'm putting them all in the same category... Clevo, Dell. MSI... all of them.)

There should be no difference, other than thermal management limitations, between a DTR with a desktop CPU and a desktop with the same CPU. Same applies to the GPU. They put in some great hardware and brag about doing it, then cut their nuts off with stupid crippling tactics that cap performance. These retards seem content to justify it using the excuse "it's a laptop" as if that makes it OK. I can (and did) deal with thermal management using a portable AC unit... not a problem.

 

Amen haha! I had a great laugh reading that LOL!

I always tell people that for the money you spend on a high end gaming laptop, you could build a very decent desktop rig and get a beater gaming laptop that will be sufficient to get your gaming fix in if you really do need portability.

 

A small snippet of a post about some recent tuning I did on my PC. Tried revisiting the RAM overclock, and ultimately couldn't get any better than what I already have in my signature (under the spoiler), but it did mean reading about VCCSA (system agent) and VCCIO (memory controller) voltages in a quest to try to get more out of my RAM. So, as a byproduct, I did manage at least to lower the voltages I was using for VCCSA and VCCIO, I had them on auto before and they were unnecessarily high at 1.288V and 1.264V respectively. I've managed to tune them down to 1.248V and 1.24V. Not a lot of difference, by why run more voltage than you need - seems like a lot of motherboards might be quite aggressive with their Auto settings for VCCSA and VCCIO - in fact my previous auto settings were in the "red font zone" if entered manually, and also viewed as potentially dangerous voltages by a number of websites.

Maybe think about finding out what voltages your VCCSA & VCCIO are running at, and then think about tuning them - either for increased RAM overclock and/or to make sure they're not higher than they need to be.

 

I like that guy:

Spoiler

 

Yeah. Some get back the daylight when they take off the sunglasses

Spoiler

 

Only if there was a way to get Prema magic on the A51M.

 

LOL. Why did you have to do that guy like that....

 

Congrats on joining the 31K club!
I am down if they send me a system.

It was just the last word he used that was asking for a little reality check aka the humble bundle.
I really liked the humor in his reaction.

No one should claim to be the fastest as long as everyone is limited to the same 2100Mhz (THX to Nvidia) we all ride side by side...

 

Looking good. I knew there was something left in the tank.

I had to add mine over there as well. Waiting to see if it will be a mutual respect situation.

I would hold that thought. You might be subject to get one and it starts smoking 5 minutes after it's been plugged in and starts charging.

 

hi prema.can you please provide me your bios for my p775tm1-g?thank you

 

Good job pulling of him off of his high horse, LOL. That was a sweet tweet, bro.

Nice wake-up call for the fact-twisters at Dell. That definitely wouldn't be the first time they embellished and offer unsubstantiated claims (ok.. lies to be blunt about it...) to get their fanboys all excited.

Accountability is good. I'm sure he is hoping not many see it. They haven't had a flagship that could keep up with Clevo's best since the P570WM (like 2012). But, this is the first time in a very long time that they have had something even remotely capable of coming close... so that's nice.

 

None can trust what's come out of the mouth from Alienware's big booys Azor, Umar or Ernie.... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.826831/page-881#post-10900911

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.826831/page-885#post-10900992

They are all liars! http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.826831/page-890#post-10901097

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.826831/page-890#post-10901103

How can their fanboys be excited by all this?

 

Thanks brother. I've got the GPU dialed in and going strong, but the CPU is a bit wonky.

As for the social media stuff I had no clue that was even posted until my inbox was flooded with people linking me to it.

It is true that we're all at a stand still with that 2100walL lol...bummer eh? ... However, IMO the side by side can only really be said for the GPU department and not the entire system as a whole.

The A51M does not have your magic touch and is limited. That's the reality, thus making it not 1:1 as it is the more limited system.

If you had a system sent to you, how likely would you say that the magic could be unleashed onto lifting the limits? *wink* ...perhaps we should discuss this more in DM.

Yes indeed and thanks. As for the smoking... I've joked about this around the threads in that if any A51M is smoking it should be mine due to the obvious, yet both my black and white A51M's have been perfectly fine and they have been running hard core to the extreme.

I've mapped out different areas of the mobo with my IR Temp reader and I think I know what's causing some of the isolated issues ...

Again, zero issues here ... as expected with any new product issues do happen... unfortunate yes, but good thing hey have a good warranty lol.

I agree, accountability is very good. As I've mentioned above I wouldn't consider the A51M 1:1 to the P870TM as they are not apples to apples. In the GPU department perhaps, but other than that the P870TM is much stronger in the areas of being able to fully unleash its potential. (bios etc..)

In the GPU department it's practically neck to neck in the real world. 31271 (brother @Prema score) vs 31215 (my A51M), with a difference of only 56 pts, which isn't that much at all when it comes to graphics score in 3DMark. It could very well turn out that this GPU could exceed 31271 as I continue pushing this machine...who knows... however, in the Graphics Department, the A51M is very strong and I consider this department as 1:1.

Now in the CPU department that's a different story lol. The system can hold strong and stable at 5.2GHz, but it just doesn't have the oomph..aka.. Horsepower curve to sustain a nice marriage with the GPU...yet. @Prema has hit 28K in Physics and my highest has been in the 27(600) range, which isn't terrible, but not where I want it to be.

Combined score wise the P870TM has pulled 13K, whereas my highest so far is 12(700), which again isn't too shabby, but not where I want it to be.

Overall score wise sitting at 26(600)'s with the limiting factor being in the CPU department. Just 400 pts away from joining the 27K club...

In my opinion looking from the outside in, I think it's safe to say that the A51M has far exceeded expectations.

If everything is weighed in real world performance and its ability to game and content create, it is just as capable as the P870TM to do just that with flying colors. In the mainstream category it is the fastest gaming laptop to date, but overall the P870TM still has a slight lead.

Bench wise, not quite there overall, but in the GPU department it deserves some respect in being to clock in 31(200)'s, right where the P870TM sits.

I'm still not done benching this system and hopefully it can pull some surprises for the sake of benching. Whether it can exceed the scores of the P870TM or not, I'm already content and pretty surprised that it has been able to even produce what it has already. I honestly didn't expect any of this.

Now if this system had Prema's touch I'm pretty confident it can bring even bigger surprises. If that day ever comes to where it can be fully unlocked, that would really shift the playing field and bring about a whole new perspective on this system; more than it already has.

All in all... all great fun and for the enjoyment of benching and pushing hardware to their limits...

 

@Papusan @Mr. Fox

To be fair it's not an AW only problem. Almost all the mainstream ODMs (Asus, MSI etc) have used the term "fastest Notebook bla bla bla..." repeatedly over the past few years and seem to be getting away with it...

Spoiler

@iunlock
Yeah, not sure what is going on with Physics scores on the 51M. Is there any throttle in the CPU graph of your runs?
5.2Ghz without throttle should net 28.5K:

Spoiler

@Johnksss :

Spoiler

 

Yes, that is exactly the kind of nonsense I am talking about with laptops... all of them. They're going to have near identical performance because they are both clock-blocked garbage with the same performance cap thanks to the NVIDIOTS and the retards at Dell and Clevo that followed their edicts. There is no point in owning something that is tethered and capped if you're interested in benching. But, everyone gets a trophy for participation... yee-haw.

Correct, brother. If you look back at my posts I am not casting stones at any brand, just flinging their own poop back at them. They all suck, LOL. The only thing Alienware is guilty of is making false claims. I suspect that is more out of ignorance than malice. Most of those clowns don't know what's going on outside of their own little world. They're good at a couple of things and assume that they're the best at everything. Dangerous assumption, as your tweet made obvious.

 

Alienware Area-51m scores 26,435 points in 3DMark Fire Strike and gets immediately outgunned by a couple of Clevos Notebookcheck.net | Today
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Alien...outgunned-by-a-couple-of-Clevos.419244.0.html

I don’t think I have seen any of the Big bosses from other ODM’s has put out their head (on a stake) into social media equal what we have seen lately.

 

please