[Help needed for thread update] Mobile Professional GPUs Performance Chart

Any real differences?

 

Yes. For gaming, Quadro cards perform 5-10% slower than their GeForce equivalent. This is because of how the shaders and other parts of the card are optimized for a different use.

 

Between the Quadro NVS 140m and the Geforce 8400M-GS there will be no real differences. The hardware is the same, the only differences are the drivers and firmware. However the 8400M-GT will be significantly more powerful than the other two, as it has twice the memory bandwith (128-bit bus vs 64-bit bus). The 8400M-GT is essentially just a downclocked 8600M-GS.

 

I am reviewing an HP 8710w Mobile Workstation at the moment and it ha a Quadro 1600M. Would anyone happen to know of any workstation benchmarks? I haven't come across any so that's why I am asking.

 

SPECviewperf - shows the performance in 3D modeling tasks in various professional applications, that's more for "raw" power and OGL drivers test... typical synthetic benchmark, hence not exactly real-life performance.

SPECapc - scripts to measure the performance in most typical 3D modeling tasks in most popular 3D appications.

http://www.spec.org/gpc/downloadindex.html

Cinebench - this is a popular one, I think.

http://www.maxon.net/pages/download/cinebench_e.html

Hope, you are enjoying it Chaz since it's a lot of work to do.

 

Would anyone be so kind as to give me a link to the 14.1" ThinkPad T61p which has the NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M? The only Quadro 570Mers I can find are 15".

 

Can you do the reverse and put the professional drivers on one of the gaming cards?

 

You can, however you can no longer enable all of the Quadro functionality through software alone (which you used to be able to do). Now you have to physically hard-mod the chip, and I'm not sure how you do that on a notebook GPU.

 

For business apps and video viewing (DVD, streaming online video), would I see any difference between the Intel X3100, a NVS Mobile card, or a Quadro FX? I'm tempted by the FX570 on the IBM t61p, but also think it will way overkill for my usage.

THoughts?

 

What kind of business apps? I'm assuming just 2d? If so, the x3100 would be fine for you.

 

Yep, all 2D.

 

Im considering buying HP 8510w with NVIDIA Quadro NVS 570M. Do we know how does it perform on stock drivers and on consumer ones?? Has anyone tested that?? Is it even possible to change those drivers for consumer ones??
Thanks!

 

I would love to know the answer to this question as well.

 

There are performance benchmarks of it around the forums in both the 15.4" T61p and the 8510w. With consumer drivers it performs essentially identical to the 256mb MBP and the G1s, and with stock drivers it seems to perform about 10% slower than those two cards.

 

Being a bit lazy , Im kindly asking for some links to them, please

 

What's the difference between consumer drivers (URL?) and stock driver (I imagine Nvidia's site)? The Nvidia drivers don't perform as well as "consumer" ones?

 

The consumer ones are optimized for gaming and the visual stuff [shaders, reflections etc.] the stock drivers are dedicated for 3d modelin/rednering appz.

 

Dreamer, what's your source for the NVS 320m being based on the 8700M-GT? I had only known for sure that it was based on the G84m core, I couldn't find any other info on it. Also, it now appears that the NVS 140m is indeed based on the 8400M-GT core.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-HP-Compaq-8710p-Notebook.4456.0.html

 

Hmm, that's interesting.

 

Hi, Dreamer and all,

Thanks for this nice guide
Just wonder if its then possible to install FX driver over NVS since both hardware is the same. or is there any Bios restriction? I am very much to 3D
concern if nvs320m is essentially same as FX with no restriction.

Thanks for enlightenment.

Hi, All
Sorry for the stupid assumption, learn nvs is actually meant more to 2d application. however having seen some good comments on NVS in benchmarks...
here is what it really puzzled me. some commented that NVS is not good in both Dx and Ogl? while other claim such fantastic 3Dmark?

http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5659686
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=160258&highlight=8710p

Could anyone clarify this please?

 

Quadro fx 1000 (128) - Precision Dell M60

Quadro fx 570m (128) -ThinkPad 14.1" t61p


I was just wondering how these graphic cards would compare to one another. I was using a Precision M60 with the fx 1000... and rendering on StudioTools was nice.... I'm thinking about picking up a t61p, but i'm not sure if the 570m will be strong enough. My main purpose is rendering, and light gaming. I need the 14 inch for portability purposes.


Any thoughts on this? I cannot find the spec sheets for either.

 

The FX1000 was based on the Geforce 5800, I believe, so you should see an improvement even with the crippled 570m in the 14.1" T61p. The actual card is much more powerful, and the memory bandwith is slightly higher as well.

 

Hi everybody, I have a really big problem...

I ordered (and paid) Dell Precision M90 almost 3 months ago, but I still haven`t received it, as a matter a fact, he is not manufactured yet.When it comes close to manufacture date, they delay it more and come up with another date....

Anyway, I ordered M90 with Quadro fx3500m.... here`s the deal:
A few Days ago I received a mail from Dell trying to convince me to change my order from M90 to M6300.We all know that the GFX found in M90 (1600m) is not even close to older dx9 3500m....
my question is....
is it possible to put 3500m in M6300 instead of 1600?

thanks...

 

Most likely not. If you had money to burn and considerable engineering experience you could try it and find out, but nothing I know of points to it being in any way drop-in compatible.

What will you be using this notebook for? The FX 1600m is a very nice GPU for the vast majority of uses.

 

Strictly for Maya, and I want the best GFX I can get for notebook,.... so I guess it`s fx3500m for now

 

Do you need an ISV certified workstation? I'd say if you have the money to spend and want the absolute best notebook graphics available, get something like a Clevo with upgradeable graphics modules, so you can put a next-gen DX10 part in when they become available.

 

@ joystick....
this is a commom misunderstanding, but rendering a picture doesn´t have anything to do with your graphics card.
rendering a picture is still done by the cpu. nothing else.

though there are hardware renderers in some programs, that make use of the graphics card, you´ll find that these are for previews only. the quality is not good.

the main purpose of the professional graphics cards is only speeding up viewport performance, means the ability to open and work on bigger scenes with more details.

best

 

I would stick with the M90 and the FX 3500M in your case...

I wouldn't say that...

First, there are previous Clevo models that also had upgradeable video cards but they never got new options, so people still have "upgradeable" video cards but they can't upgrade for different reasons (the GPU itself, motherboard, power supplies.. etc.) So, that's still more marketing than anything else...

Second, the Quadro cards are a bit different matter and it usually takes time before they get released, and you don't know how long you would need to wait until you see some of these cards as an option for a Clevo notebook, not to mention that you are talking about cards that don't even exist yet.

Third, even if it happened to be possible your notebook might be outdated enough until then and the price might be a factor as well, so you wouldn't want to upgrade it anyway, you just can't know that, markets and technologies change fast.

In the end, I wouldn't plan to upgrade the video card for the life of the notebook since it usually doesn't happen for one or another reason.

 

That's the truth; you should never plan to upgrade the video card. It's probably never going to happen even if it is possible.
Take my laptop for example - it has a modular, removable video card and was supposed to be upgradeable to a better one. However, a better one never came out and that was the end of that.

 

http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5659686

after reading this thread.. i've changed my mind a bit on purchasing the t61p with a "workstation card." Is it true that autocad 2008 for vista doesnt require openGL anymore? So that means i can run a 3d cad randering program with a 8600gt on a macbookpro?

 

Well atleast on vista, open gl doesnt seem to be supported. on Autodesk.

 

Anyone know anything about autodesk aliasstudio 2008... when running vista is opengl supported?

 

Wow, very interesting Thread. thanks

 

Thanks for the good advice Dreamboy, but at the end I couldn`t resist any more to the pressure of the Dell`s stuff, so I accepted their offer (and it was a good one I must say)...

instead of M90 T7200 2.0Ghz ,2Gb , fx3500m and 100Gb Hdd, they offered me
M6300 X7900 Extreme 2.8Ghz, 4Gb, 160Gb Hdd, and the promise that they will get the fx2600m/3600m as a spare part for me if/when available (on my expense of course...)

The guy that gave me that promise doesn`t actually work for Dell,..he is a Dell`s representative in my country (so nobody interpret my post as the annunciation of 2600/3600m, as the matter of fact, people in Dell do not plan to upgrade mobile quadro gfx in the next 3-6 months (at least), - I had a reply from a guy in the Dells factory in Ireland)

 

I have been looking around for notebooks for a while, and I read through the mobile graphic card ranking list but did not see this Nvidia quadro NVS 120M or any of the other quadro NVS's listed there. I found it on this inspiron from Dell:

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bldmffl&s=bsd


It is "512MB NVIDIA® Quadro NVS 120M TurboCache". I'm wondering where this ranks compared to the 8600M GT and such. Is it actually decent or is it just a slyly named integrated card with a bunch of memory to cover up the facts!?!?

Thanks!

 

The 8600GT is completely in a different league. It will absolutely demolish the nvs120m in any game/benchmark.

The 120m is somewhere in between the power of a go7300 and go7400.

I think the way it goes is:

110m - equivalent is 7300
120m - somewhere in between that and 7400
130m - equivalent is 7400
140m - equivalent is 8400

 

Its pretty weak, no where near the 8600GT in terms of power. It isn't an IGP, but it isn't a great card either.

 

Alright, I figured it was pretty stinky. Too many names floating around, trying to trick people!

 

All Quadro cards are for OpenGL and professional applications, the names are to differentiate the cards for different markets even though the underlying chipsets might be the same for two differently named cards.

 

My wife has a D830 with NVS140, and it really sucks in any gaming tasks,...I tryed COD4, its unplayable even in low resolutions,....
so I guess NVS120 is even worse...

 

Thinking about buying a new laptop
CPU: the new 65nm Technology T2700 core duo mobile processors


(two CPU, each CPU works on 2.33G, totally is 4.66G, wow)

Ram: 2G ( 1G original + extra 1G kingston laptop memory (High quality)).



Independent Video Card:

Video Card: ATI Fire GL V5250 256MB, great for Movie, Video Game.

(Much much better than the integrated video card)




Very comfortable High resolutioin screen:

LCD: 14.1" SXGA+TFT (Better than XGA, SXGA Screen)

Will this play games like Wow, Cabal Online, Crisis fine?

 

Don't know about Crsysis..but WoW will run quite well, and .. I don't understand why on earth would anyone want to play - full grind only - mmorpg Cabal. @_@

The cpus wont give you a 4.66 Ghz speed .. maybe a little over 3.2Ghz but thats it.

Look for a laptop with a 8600M GT / HD 2600 if you are into gaming and don't want to spend alot. ;]

 

What is the nVidia Geforce (gaming) equivalent of the nVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M? I believe that the Quadro FX 570M is equal to the Geforce 8600M GT DDR3, so is the Quadro NVS 140M close to a Geforce 8400M?

 

The 140M is about an 8400GS.

 

So it's not really good enough for anything even close to serious gaming

 

Nope. Atleast consider a 8600M if not higher.

 

Hi,

FX 570m Core clock = 475 MHz
FX 1600m Core clock = 625 MHz

What exactly is the function of the core clock? and how would it effect 3d modeling (cars, bikes, boats etc) performance in this case?

And what exactly is a shader clock? Does anyone know what the values are for the above 2 cards?

Thanks!

 

I run my FX570m at FX1600m clocks......its the same card, one's just overclocked. The shaders will affect lighting and effects in modeling or gaming, while the core will affect rendering speeds.

 

What's the difference between shader clock's values on the 2 cards? is it possible to overclock that as well? and is there any difference in the core of these 2 cards? cos the570 was supposed to be same as geforce 8600 and the 1600 same as 8700...

And about the core... I thought only the processor effected the rendering speed. can a graphics card actually help in the rendering process?

Is overclocking safe? I mean does it void warranty? is it safe to keep switching - overclock only when i need more performance and then reduce values again?

Thanks!