[Help needed for thread update] Mobile Professional GPUs Performance Chart

Hi

How good are the nVidia NVS GPUs? and how do they compare to the FX and the gaming GPUs?

Thanks

 

Which one in particular are you asking about?

 

no one in particular. It's a general question

 

That depends because FX GPUs are ISV certified...meaning they ''will'' be compatible with whatever CAD program you use. The best NVS PGU at the moment is the 320m which is based on the 8700GT its FX equivalent is the FX1600m. But the fastest FX at the moment is the FX3600 which is 8800GTX based.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=80145&highlight=dreamer+workstation+graphics

Have a read!

 

thanks for the link.

 

Here's why I'm CONFUSED!

FireGL V5600 is 50$ cheaper than the Quadro FX570 on the HP 8510w.

BUT on a comparison on hothardware.com, the V5600 takes on the FX 1600m card which is supposed to be one step ahead of the FX570m!

I'm also confused because I read somewhere that the ATI cards are much better for maya than the NVIDIAs but the NVIDIA is the better one overall.

I'd be GLAD if anyone could put up a link showing benchmarking them 2 cards head to head or something.... especially for Alias Studio tools.

Any suggestions are WELCOME!

THANKS!!!!!

 

Yes and the FX570 has trouble in the desktop range against the V3600 in 3Dprofessor's review;

http://www.3dprofessor.org/Reviews Folder Pages/EntryLevelHead/EntryLevelP6.htm

Were did you read that, and better overall at what? Gaming maybe, and even the it depends on the titles/apps/settings.
This isn't your father's FireGL/Quadro exchange. The FireGLs have changed the old standards and are both more performant and better values than previous generations when the Quadros had the undisputed lead in proffesional apps.

For most Autodesk tools like 3DSMax and Maya, you are going to see better performance out of the V5600 than either the FX570 or 1600M. If all things are equal then go with the FireGL. Be sure to get a solid CPU as well.

 

If you play games go with the Quadro, because you can use Geforce drivers on them with Rivatuner

 

Instead getting 8510w, get the 8510p with better CPU, add more ram and the card in 8510p is the same as 8510w - you just need to install drivers one of the forum members has prepared.
Check here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=202597
It also has some comparision links between the v5600 and Fx570.
I am just about to finish configuring my notebook to have a Dual Boot 64bit config - XP with modded driver for V5600 performance for my CAD applications, and Vsita for DX10 gaming with normal gaming performance of HD2600.

 

Yeah and yet the FireGLs play fine with FireGL drivers too, and better than the FX midrange counterpart;
http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/Nvidia_QuadroFX_3700_512_MB/?page=11

And both can load their Geforce and Radeon desktop counterpart drivers (not the other way around without moding [of with SoftGL is more succesful than SoftQuadro sofar]).

Personally I wouldn't worry about gaming much, because this range will be in the low-midrange settings without AA and will do OK, but still not worth making a workstation descision over regardless of which drivers you use.

 

I don't care about gaming... And ape, i just made a great discovery, I think... From tom's hardware... on the workstation charts, the diff in maya between FX 570 and V3600 is very small. and the 570 beats it on almost everything else!
I think it's safe to assume the V5600 on the HP will perform similar to this region cos it looks like a mobility fireGL V5600 does not exist! from 'destiny's' links, it seems like even HP has soft modded (possibly more cleanly) a HD 2600 to call it V5600 (guessing based on the desktop equivalents naming pattern). There's no reference of a 256 mb V5600 anywhere else... I'm mad at HP right now... bloody mad!

 

You shouldn't expect mobility workstation cards to have the same amount of memory as their PC equivalents.
Check this link http://ati.amd.com/products/workstation/fireglmatrix.html
Accoridng to my readings from Everest or other software that can tell you more about your GPU the HD2600 on stock clocks hss the same SPU (120) and is capable of 22.something GB/sec bandwidth. So, it is only the amount of memory that is causing this.
After a bit of o/c - same as my sig - I have 24.2GB/sec bandwidth.
Compare schoko's results to these from here http://ati.amd.com/products/workstation/benchmarks2.html
for V7200 and have a look on its description. I know the config is slightly different, but the performance is on par if not better with driver mod HD2600.
Have you got any Fx570 SpecViewPerf results?

Added:
Check this datasheet: http://ati.amd.com/products/fireglv5600/FireGL_V5600_Datasheet.pdf
V3600 shows ONLY 16GB bandwidth with the same amount of memory as 2600, so its clocks must be clocked SLOWER. Compare this against FX570.

 

Hi All,

I am looking to buy a new notebook that I will be using to play games. The notebooks that I like the most are:

Dell Precision M4300 (NVIDIA Quadro FX 360M, 512MB Turbo Cache memory 256 dedicated)

Dell Latitude D830 (256MB NVIDIA® Quadro NVS 140M)

IBM T61 (NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M 256MB Open GL)

HP 8510p (ATI Mobility Radeon HD2600 graphics, with 256 MB dedicated video memory 512 MB HyperMemory).

The Radeon is optimized for games and all the other models are optimized for CAD type applications. Will CAD cards be able to play games as well as the Radeon?

Thanks in advance for any responses.

~BlazinBWF
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If you install Geforce drivers on the Quattro, they usually perform as well as their geforce counterpart (the FX 570M is an 8600m gt).

 

Quattro = audi 4 wheel drive
Quadro = GPUs made atune for CAD and OpenGL rendering, basically for companies that use Autocad,maya etc.
The quadro/fire card will be 99% as good as the geforce/radeon card it came from with the right driver.

 

eleron911, +1 rep for pointing out that Quattro is Audi 4 wheel drive!

 

Props for AWD!!!!!!!!

He is correct about the cards; I run my T61p with 8600M-GT drivers....and it is equal to my friend's G1S-A1 (even in configuration).

 

Thank you for your replies. Thats funny I saw Quadro and naturally being a petrol-head I read it as Quattro. Does the 256MB NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M have a GeForce counterpart?

 

Yes, the NVS 140 is the 8400M GS

 

T61p runs great in FX 570 mode with right drivers. No GeForce drivers needed.

 

Missed this chain of replies with the other thread more of a focus.

Depends on what you look at. Are you looking at the CPU/software render or the Hardware render?
Or are you looking at the other ViewPerf results in Catia, etc.

DX 3DSMax, GPU hardware accelerated, 3600>570;
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/...7,312,306,311,2007,310,305,2008,1214,304,2009

Maya, GPU same result;
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/...8,309,307,306,310,305,1214,2007,304,2008,2009

SpecCAP overall once again 3600>570;
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/...8,309,307,306,310,305,1214,2007,304,2008,2009

ViewPerf 10.0, 3DSMax V3600>570;
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/...8,309,307,306,310,305,1214,2007,304,2008,2009

ViewPerf 10.0 May same;
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/...04,313,2008,312,311,310,2009,308,307,305,306#

Then there are the other apps, which just like before are exceptions, Solidworks, obviously works better on the Quadros, either due to drivers or architecture. It depends on which apps you think match your tools.

Well technically the Mobile FireGL V5600 is defined in the device ID information as the Mobile HD2600XT, so if HP is giving it the proper clocks (like those on their HD2600XT in the HDX) then it's to spec.

Also HP wouldn't 'mod' a FireGL card anymore than they would a Quadro.
It spells instant lawsuit from both users and ATi.

If you mod one then it will be a 256MB GDDR3 not the 256MB DDR2 of the dersktop model.

Anywhoo, like we discussed in the other thread it's still very app specific although the balance of power has changed in the opposite direction of the raditional, but it's still close and neither wins 'em all, just like before.

As for the other question by Blazin about the NVS, IMO avoid those as they are usually detuned as their focus is multi-monitor and 2D not heavy 3D work. They would be like ATi's FireMC cards, usually not powerhouses, as the GF8400MGS equiv kinda shows.

Also game drivers mainly help to add optimizations and bug fixes, that's why it's advisable to load them if you plan on gaming alot. Both nV and ATi add some fixes for games to their workstation cards, but they are usually low priority compared to the consumer products.

 

Hmmm... well these are the desktop versions right? and in most cases the diff is rather small... so I'm going to hope the FX570m works well with Alias for me... and the HP with V5600 had screen build quality issues n somehow didn't appeal to me as much as the thinkpad so I've ordered a T61p...

But I have to thank all of you for helping me out! I leave the forums more knowledgeable now! actually i'm still going to try and help others out now... haha...

 

Screen build quality issues? I havent noticed anything.
As long as you are happy that should be enough I am looking for some performance test results from you from SpecViewPerf 9

 

Yeah it'll be fine, like I said it's all about the preview/viewport, and also like I mentioned, the differences are minor, so it should be fine, and then give you access to the CUDA stuff when and if it arrives. Check out the Gelato changes, their forums are pretty good, and should give you some insight into things you didn't consider in other apps. I always recommend going to the support forums as they'll give you the latest info based on their experiences with the product. the only thing that worries me about the FX570M was someone in another thread (maybe another forum) mentioned something about some of them being 64bit memory, which would be dissapointing and of course detrimental to both pro 3D apps and GPGPU apps (although a quick look at nV's shows nothing like that, so I don't know if there's anything to that or someone confusing something). Just check it when you get it, to be sure.

You're welcome, glad to hear you're gonna pay it forward, that's the way to do it.

 

The version with the 64-bit memory interface and 128MB dedicated memory was in the 14.1" standard screen T61p which is no longer sold anyway.

The 15.4" T61p has the regular 128-bit, 256MB version of the Quadro FX 570M. That's about it.

 

Ah ok, yeah thought I saw something about that just couldn't remember what/where.

Hate when they do that.

Wish they'd stick to codes that guarantee you don't get crippled parts, especiallyin the workstation market!

 

I just scored 2932 (tuned with RivaTuner)with the NVS 140m in a ThinkPad R61 on 3DMark06.

Link to score is in my sig.

Using 174.31 drivers.
Stock core speeds scored just a little under 2000 for 3DMark06.

Not a great gaming machine but could probalby play many games in low resolutions with low to medium settings.

 

haha... thanks a lot for all the help guys... yea I read about the crippled 128 mb version of the 570 too! And I will check out those other forums ape...

destiny, I'll definitely post back on this page soon with the specview results. notebookcheck.net said the screen build was slightly flimsy or something... maybe exaggerated or only that wasn't a great piece.

and also, I was getting unbelievable discounts on the T61p! I got 880+ $ off at the end!

And do you guys have any idea how long it might take for UPS ground delivery? cos the status says it's been shipped! it took 2 days!

 

notebookcheck.net is not a reliable source of information I am afraid. If you need the review of 8510p check many topics that are around HP forum. It has some small problems, but never heard of screen issues.
If the price was good on T61p I think you should be happy with your purchase anyway, as they are both top class machines and moving onto this performance/quality level makes you never go back again. At least I won't

 

What resolution are you running 3Dmark06 at SonDa5?? Nice oc

 

1280x800

That is the default setting for a 14.1" display in the free trial version of 3DMarl06.

It is also the same settings that the publications use when they review the 13-14" notebooks.


More T61p and R61 benchmark details are in my sig below... click on hyperlinks to see more.

 

The chart at the beginning of this thread is a year and a half old. Isn't it time for an upgrade?

 

I agree, would be nice to get an update on all the newer stuff included with the original list...

 

The list was last updated in early may...

 

Well the FX3600M is in it, so obviously it has been updated recently enough to include all the cards available at the moment...

 

which is more powerful:
SLI Dual 2500M or 3600M?

 

I'm also interested in the difference between Nvidia Quadro NVS 320 (256 MB) and Nvidia Quadro FX 1600M (512 MB). As I understand it they're both based on 8700 GT but the FX 1600M is a bit higher clocked. Is there any significant difference?

 

Oh I forgot. How big is the role of graphic card memory (512 MB compared to 256 MB)?

 

As far as i know...
The quadro is optimised for 3D modeling and CAD design.
The NVS is optimised for 2D and multi-display setup's.

Generally a card need's enough memory bandwith to effectively take advantage of more video memory. Since both cards are based on the 8700m GT then they are both limited to 256mb of momory due to the 128 bit bus although this applys mainly to gaming so i'm not sure if 3D modeling apps will utilise the memory in a different way

 

well, for professional use, the video memory is of course mostly used for textures, just as you would expect...

when you model something and apply textures you can use in most professional 3d apps a display mode that shows the geometry + lights + applied textures , usually called hardware rendering or hardware texturing, or simply "rendered" ( viewport).

once you work with big scenes and use the hardware texturing, the amount of dedicated videomemory comes into effect massively.

 

I see so it doesn't matter if the card is rendering at 1 frame per second like it does with a first perdon shooter

 

oh, well, actually it does..... sadly.....

these so called rendered previews are not what is commonly known as a rendering, it´s just a preview. you can modifiy the model, move or rotate around the model...just like in a game, and of course you also have the lagging viewports if you GPU is not fast enough. And when you are working with 1 fps and try to rotate or zoom a in a model it´s about as funny as playing crysis with 1 fps.

so basicly if you have a a lot of textured geometry you would like to have a fast GPU and a lot of Ram.

 

I've got another question. Looking at new EliteBook mobile workstations I see they're offering quite a few ATI FireGL graphic card. Can you do the same with ATI cards as you can with Nvidia and install Radeon drivers so you can play games? Becouse I'd like to do some occasional gaming.

 

So where does the FX 770M come into play? We consider these, "mid-range" correct? And the 8800 is better than the 770?

 

the FX 770m is based on the 9600m GT. Essentially, it's a 9600m GT GDDR3 with optimized drivers. In gaming, it will be much worse than the 8800. In (some) OpenGL Accelerated applications, the 770m slaughters the 8800, despite the difference in raw performance.

 

Awesome, I'm a light-gamer and heavy CAD user. This should be perfect for me then.

 

I updated the charts with the new cards...

 

Hey guys! I would like to ask you which mobile card performs better? The 2700m or the 3600m? Im interested in buying a notebook and I have to choose between an HP Elitebook 8730w and a 8710w. Thank you.

 

Nvidia Quadro 2700M is based on 9700 GTS and 3600M is based on 8800 GTX/GTS (I'm not sure). So I would guess that 3600M is still better.

I got ~7530 3DMarks 06 from my 8730w. Notebookcheck got 8023 3DMarks 06 from 3600M.

 

what is the difference between nvidia and vram graphic card and which one is better to have on a notebook ?.
thanks.