(Part 2) If U Can Solve This U R King

@Unhappy User have you tried installing Bitsum Park Control and Bitsum Process Lasso and turning off parking in Park Control and turning on Bitsum Highest Performance Profile in Process Lasso yet? It may net you some improvement. You can also manually tweak additional settings in Process Lasso to get better results but the default settings are pretty good to begin with.

I have a hypothesis:
I think part of the problem lies in M$ trying to optimize Win10 for such a wide range of devices. Many have decently high performing hardware with very limited thermal handling systems (such as Surface) while others do not. It seems like Windows 10 is trying to drop frames where it thinks it is safe to do so in the name of consuming less power and producing less heat etc. Win10 is trying to optimize for the lowest common denominator of hardware bracket and other systems are taking a hit in the process unless the users know exactly how to tweak them to overcome this stuff.

Fingers crossed M$ gets their **** together and figures this out, because it is a major turnoff to a wide range of users for a number of different reasons and Linux is free.

 

I'm not strong at technical issues, and how developers make games, how the processor interacts with the graphics card, and how the developers make the windows what it can play on it. My knowledge is superficial.
If the game is demanding then you need more CPU frequency for more use of GPU. Because most of the information in the system is processed by the processor, and it receives information from the GPU. If it will work too slowly, it will not be able to process the information from the video card.

 

Yes, you can. Tried it but in Win10 it did not give the desired result. Maybe you will be different, try

 

These are the Windows 10 options you are seeking:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/wi.../configure-processor-power-management-options

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn613985(v=vs.85).aspx

 

Totally agree with you. And yes, I always disable the windows update service, after installing the OS

 

It would be nice if you included the display of the frequency of the processor in your video, during games "GHz. And changed a good thermal paste on cpu and gpu

 

There may be something to this. On my machine with 6700HQ I use a bios (1.0.9) that locks my processor at 3.1ghz. I get much better performance on this bios than the other ones that allow it to go above 3.1ghz.

 

Can you comment on your GPU usage in games after applying this bios change?

 

I didn't check my gpu usage directly but my frames per second were higher on initial testing by about 10%. And long term testing seemed to show more consistent fps.

 

So did u RMA it yet?

 

Yes it has been at MSI repair center for a week. They said they will replace the whole cooling system including the heatsink, 2 fans and 10+ heat pipes. They ordered the cooling components and it needs 1 month to arrive to their center.

This whole replacement can be useless if they dont use high quality thermal paste and assign the laptop to a qualified technician. I can't teach them their job so I will just wait and hope for the best.

 

let us know how it went

 

Install after burner and try to decrease voltage at stable rates,
And also try to get a 330w power supply,
This kinda thing happened to my clevo, reason was my power adapter was faulty and was supplien charge at random rate!!

 

Possible causes could be repasting, no dual channel memory for OP. He already sent it to MSI to repair it.

 

Why should he need 330w psu with fully locked down i7-6700HQ and GTX1070?

 

240W will be perfect.
I have 6700HQ and 980M 122W GPU, on full load the PC takes 204W on stock and upto 230W on overclocked GPU.

 

Why not run the 330w power supply under maximum specification?; with plenty of headroom, better cooling, longer life. If you are going to game for hours with the GPU OC drawing 230w, a 240w PSU is near it's rated limit.

Even better, keep the 240w for travel, and the 330w for gaming at home

 

I don't have 330W PSU with me. I usually game only on stock clocks, I will test them out. Unlike a desktop, BGA is locked so I thought investing in a bigger PSU was a waste of time. Maybe I will buy 330W and try it out.

 

i look at the first post guy asking question why machine throttles, then look at 2nd post some chump saying its completely normal LOL @Papusan wrong info spread everywhere!

 

Posted replies on this long time ago. See post #205

 

@Papusan some guy pretends to know it all made a post like this.

another person posts result, danishblunt's comment and reputation flies out the window in an instant

and then this guy cracked me up ROFL

@Unhappy User seriously though, dont follow danishblunt anymore hes terrible at coming up with both excuses / accurate info. its been a good read tho, thanx

 

lol just lol


I remember having played just cause 3 with single channel 8gb of memory and man did it stutter....i immediately knew it was the ram. installed another 8gb stick, and bam performance was perfect afterwards.....lol well on medium.....970m isn't exactly a top tier gpu for 60fps 1080p on new AAA titles

 

Few more days and i will receive the laptop back from MSI and will post an update. Also looking for good deals on 16GB SODIMM RAM sticks. They never go on sale.

In the meantime please dont fight and get the thread locked or topic derailed.

 

Look at Crucial/GSkill RAM Sticks. Choose 2133MHz frequency.
Crucial RAM sticks are somewhat little cheaper and deliver best performance.

 

If you are really in a pinch, start looking at 2x8gb DDR4 kits. Here you have the option to sell your 16gb stick to recuperate cost.

 

Yeah but star citizen devs announced that 16GB is the minimum system requirement for RAM so i prefer 32gb for future proofing.

 

By the time Star Citizen is released, you'll probably have a better PC.
Jokes aside, you can probably tune a game to use less RAM, but you can't get a RAM refund down the line when you realize you don't need that much.

 

The average temperature across the country was -20C past week and the laptop has been on an unheated ground delivery truck for the past 7 days. Does prolongued exposure to this freezing temp affect the freshly applied thermal paste or any of the electronics? If the paste freezes at -20 will it get restored at room temp or is it permanently damaged?

 

If its traditional paste then don't worry. Components will be safe too.

 

*UPDATE*

I finally received the laptop back from MSI repair center. They performed 3 major changes:

1. Replaced the CPU fan, GPU fan, and the full thermal module.
2. Surprisingly they also replaced my GPU (GTX1070), I don't know what made them decide on doing that.
3. Formatted my laptop and installed a bloated and up to date copy of windows 10 with tons of unnecessary drivers such as Intel VGA and 3rd party apps such as music makers and photo editors. I spent time tweaking it.

Preliminary Results: (Same Nvidia Driver as before for consistency)

Temperatures are far better now and within the acceptable range for my model (MSI GT62VR)

Idle Temps: Between 32C and 36C for the CPU and GPU
Under Load (3DMark and Furmark)) + Maximum Fan RPM Enabled: GPU 69C, CPU 40C-58C
Under Load (Unigine Heaven) + Auto Fan Mode: GPU 78C, Maximum RPM: GPU 69C
Will report on heavy gaming temps soon.

Graphic Benchmark Scores improved. CPU scores remain the same as the beginning of this thread (655 on cinebench R15 multicore). Scores Comparison:

>>>Firestrike Score:
OLD Score: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23367665
NEW Score: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/24423568

>>>3DMark Time Spy Score"
NEW Score: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/24423636

>>>3DMark 11 Score:
OLD Score: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12497875
NEW Score: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12588584

>>>3DMark Vantage Score:
OLD Score: https://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5656634
NEW Score: https://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5667184

>>>Sky Diver Score:
OLD Score: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23370370
NEW Score: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/24424121

>>>Cloud Gate Score:
OLD Score: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23368616
NEW Score: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/24424344

>>>Unigine Heaven Score:
OLD Score: https://i.imgur.com/a1eJeQf.png
NEW Score: https://imgur.com/pKUTiY5

I will also update with framerates during gameplay soon.

Update: BF3 remain the same with low framerates between 85 and 130 in metro map. CPU+Single Channel Bottleneck.

I will now confidently purchase a second RAM stick to enable dual channel mode and improve CPU performance.

Thank you MSI Repair Center in Ontario.

 

You may want to consider repasting the 1070 with some half decent thermal compound. 78C on auto fans...should not be getting that high. If this is the exact same shell as the GT72VR dominator pro, I remember my 1070 peaking around 63C with max fans and low 70's with auto. Definitely not 78C.
And pascal gives better clocks the colder it is. When I realized that, I threw Liquid Metal on it anyway. But for you, try Noctua NT-h1 ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002CQU14A/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ) for traditional paste. Kryonaut will degrade slightly if the heatsink surface isn't completely flat with even pressure

 

I always wondered about Grizzly Kryonaut vs other pastes. Thanks for the tip Falkentyne, will try the Noctua down the road on the GPU.

 

Disappointing news guys I just took the laptop to the computer store to install a second memory stick and it appears that the existing stick is in slot number 3 and to activate dual Channel we have to install the second stick right next to it on slot number 1 which requires disassembling the entire laptop. I just received my laptop back from MSI RMA with a brand-new cooling module and my temperatures are really better after several failed attempts to repaste it by MSI and the computer store so I decided not to risk another disassembly because the technician in the computer store did not do a good job repasting it the first time.

We tried installing the second stick in Slot 4 which is easy to access but that did not activate dual Channel mode. I am very disappointed with this choice that I have to make between good temperatures or dual Channel mode.

 

Can I fix it by buying 2x8GB sticks and installing them on the easy to access slots 2 and 4? On top of my exisiting 16GB stick on slot 3? Will this activate dual channel? Can i then instruct the OS yo disable the 16GB stick in slot 3?

 

Usually the pairing is independent, so those pair will run in dual channel, but the 3rd won't, but I've also seen where dual channel is only active if all slots are paired (you can have paired empty slots).

Swapping the memory you have and a new one into the other paired slots should work too, but you'd have to test it. Sometimes you have to start filling the slots from certain slots, which as you've found won't work due to the physical limit.

So yeah, get another 16GB and put it and the old one in the other pair of slots and see if it works, reset CMOS if it doesn't work right off.

I doubt the laptop BIOS will have the ability to disable a memory slot, you'll need to physically pull that installed 16GB SODIMM... were both slots physically blocked or just the empty one?

Good luck

 

but what you're suggesting requires a full laptop disassembly which is a no go. I struggled a lot to get the temperatures down to acceptable levels and had to write a special request to the manager at MSI repair center in a different State. No one in the city or even State i live in was able to do a proper repaste the way it is done now. I can't risk all the progress made just to activate dual channel or pullout a RAM stick dug deep behind the keyboard.

I am thinking of just buying 2x8GB sticks and install them in the easy-to-access empty slots and have them work in dual channel while the 16GB stick stay in single channel mode. Even then i dont know if the CPU/RAM performance will be optimal.

 

I wasn't suggesting disassembly, I was trying to think of options that don't include disassembly. Re-read my post based on that POV.

We may have a gap here in my view of the problem vs. yours.

From what you said the other 2 slots are available without disassembly, and the slot that pairs with the already installed SODIMM isn't available without dissassembly. Is this correct?

If the existing 16GB can be removed and the other 2 slots that pair are available without dissassembly then try filling the other paired slots with 2 x 16GB - your existing 16GB + a new 16GB.

This isn't complicated

 

But removing the existing 16GB stick requires disassembly since it is in one of the 2 slots near the keyboard (slots 3 and 4) How else am i going to remove it?

 

Ah, got it.

Yeah, I hate it when vendors do that. You are stuck then with either disassembly or trying 2 SODIMM's paired in the open slots you can reach, and hope that single 16GB unpaired doesn't interfere with the paired SODIMM's.

I also wouldn't pair dissimilar memory, use the same 16GB SODIMM's as the single installed already. It can get weird when running difference sized memory too. You can try 2 x 8GB + 1 x 16GB, but it's "safer" to do 2 x 16GB + 1 x 16GB.

If that shop you visited will let you try configurations before buying, while it's open on there bench, that would be optimal. Ask if they will do that to save time and $ - come up with the options for them to try.

 

Its worth it. But if you are just playing your games and are happy with the framerates and gameplay don't worry about it. At the end of the day a half a percent more in firestrike is useless, it's how much fun you're having playing your games that is the litmus. Unless you just care about running benchmarks and seeing numbers..

 

@hfm Yeah it is turning into an obsession.

It is not just about enjoying your games today but also future proofing your laptop as long as possible. In multiplayer shooter games where the cpu is the bottleneck, dual channel mode did prove to increase framerates by 5%-15% sometimes more. It is worth fighting for. Single player games and gpu-intensive games do not benefit much. My i7-6700hq is weak nowadays and turning into a bottleneck and needs all the help it can get. Dual channel makes it run more efficiently.

I'm in the msi GT62VR owners lounge now searching for owners who happen to have dual channel on slots 2 (easy access) and 3 (hard access). If that is possible then i will plug in a stick in slot 2 and i'm done. One user from Ukraine, Semmy, is claiming to have dual channel activated on slots 1 (hard access) and slot 4 (easy access). If this is true and confirmed by screenshots from his BIOS then i should have the same results with slots 2 and 3. Waiting for him to log on.

 

Yeah the single biggest thing for you is going to be dual channel, chasing single digit percentages in firestrike isn't helping much,

 

@hfm i am happy with my new graphics benchmark scores (3DMark & Heaven) and not chasing after them anymore. In case you missed it I updated my new scores in this post after MSI replaced my GPU and installed a brand new cooling module for the whole laptop a few days ago.

 

It worked!! Dual channel is finally activated on my MSI GT62VR 6RE by using one easy access slot #2 and one hard access slot number #3. This is contrary to the common assumption that 2 sticks should be next to each other.

Thank you Semmy and everyone for your contributions. Now to test my performance gains.

 

Then, time for CINEBENCH R15 and wPRIME 1024M Don't forget run Wprime as adm.

 

After activating Dual-Channel mode:

Cinebench R15: Unfortunately, Cinebench is consistently giving me a score of 650cb, AV turned off, Dual-Channel RAM activated, bloat-free. I am now totally clueless and perplexed of this dragging issue. I am starting to believe it is a silicon issue. What can I do to improve CPU multicore performance? However, the Single Core score is perfect (144) and same as most other users. CPU Experts please comment.

Battlefield 3: In Metro Map (multiplayer):
Single Channel: 80fps-130fps
Dual Channel: 100fps-150fps
The min and max increased by 20fps, and the average increased by around 8fps.

Company of Heroes 2 (Built-in Benchmark): 2fps-3fps gain

3DMark Time Spy Score:
Single-Channel Score reported few days ago: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/24423636
Dual-Channel Score today: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/24528578
A total increase of 74points driven by a 5% improvement in CPU score

3DMark Firestrike:
Single Channel: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/24423568
Dual Channel: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/24543407

3DMark Cloudgate:
Single Channel Score: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/24424344
Dual Channel Score: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/24530472
A total increase of 250 points

3DMark 11: wow!
Single Channel: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12588584
Dual Channel: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12597545
An overall Improvement of 8% and Physics score improvement of 16%!

3DMark Vantage:
Single Channel: https://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5667184
Dual Channel: https://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5668312

Unigine Heaven: No Change, same score

wPrime 1024M: Posted here

 

Change priority of CB R15 to Realtime and run it in high performance power plan. Use speedshift for consistent speeds.

 

Smell like crippled firmware. I expect you have unchecked BD PROCHOT in TS.

Compare vs bro @Vasudev's Wprime 1024M score.

 

I am not using TS or XTU or any other CPU calibration tool. I am aiming at achieving an average score similar to an average user at stock settings without using 3rd party tools. Is this the only way you guys see it? It is like performing a plastic surgery on a person to make him/her look more beautiful. My CPU should look beautiful in the 670cb-690cb range without any surgery.

I did update my Intel ME firmware few days ago as recommended by MSI. If you read up on Tech news, this security patch inflicted a performance hit on intel CPUs but most significantly in servers. Home users got only taxed by 1%-3% CPU performance hit. Nonetheless, I have always had a low Cinebench R15 score even before applying this Intel ME Firmware security patch; however, I used to reach 655cb, but now it doesn't move beyond 650cb.

@Papusan those are my customizable BIOS settings. They are identical to @macmyc who has same laptop but he's achieving scores above 680cb. Would you change anything to them?

 

Intel ME Firmware flaws ain't the same as newest Intel flaws you have read about the last week. What OS 10 build? You compare with exactly same Bios version?