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    (Part 2) If U Can Solve This U R King

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Unhappy User, Nov 27, 2017.

  1. Unhappy User

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    I have Windows 10 Pro 1709 Build 16299.192. I don't know about Macmyc, hope he can inform us. (To know your Build hit windows Key+ R and run the command "winver")

    Yes I and MacMyc both have BIOS .116 and he still got a high score of 682cb.

     
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    Expect the score is about 5cb lower than usual with latest M$ patch (it's patch for newest Intel flaws).
     
  3. Vasudev

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    See the screenshot clearly, I'm not using TS at all.
    Thanks @Papusan for mentioning my HWBOT score. First I thought, you hacked my PC using PoC code and took my screenie, then I remembered it was the screenie I uploaded to HWBOT.
    I'm think of reaching 700 cb maybe 16C ambient temps will make me achieve that.
     
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    yeah 5cb loss that's expected. But i am more concerned about the 34cb loss compared to other owners of identical laptops.
     
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    670 is the avg score obtained on any machine at stock. Mine was worse, I had 635 cb.
    Should I take a look at your pc through teamviewer?
     
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    Just downloaded the latest version of CB R15, version 15.0.3.8 and....

    [​IMG]

    That's a first time score! Previous version I used was not that old, version 15.0.3.7. I'm catching up with you Macmyc.

    Score with v15.0.3.7

    [​IMG]
     
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    After setting priority of Cinebench to realtime in task manager:

    [​IMG]

    But that doesnt count since other owners did not do that when they get this score at stock settings.

    So, I would like to have this level of performance at normal priority. How to achieve that?
     
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    This is the stock cb score at normal priority on most 6700HQ. I used TS with SST,Power balance and other tweaks to get 686 or 688.
     
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    Don’t forget you have Alienware. And they have never been on top in benchmarks (default). See reviews...
    @Unhappy User should have same scores as bloated down Msibook from same lineup.
     
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    Now, I'm unhappy about AW.
     
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    Yeah, none should be happy with lackluster performance vs. what you should get. Stock or oc'd doesn't matter.

    Edit. @Unhappy User Have you tried run Cinebench R15 with less undervolt? Or is the tests done with stock - max undervolt?
     
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    I did not undervolt my CPU, unless it comes undervolted stock? Idle CPU voltage is 1.08V-1.15V @3.2GHz
     
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    None say you have to use stock voltage. All Intel processors come with too high core voltage (To cover bad bins). And we talk about load votage. See what it need during full load. You could probably shave of +100mv for better thermals and or prolonged max clocks in maximum load.
     
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    Good. I will post graphs showing the CPU frequency and voltage while running Cinebench R15 and decide from there.
     
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    You can use TS profile I sent you.
     
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    I don't have the right tool to monitor and graph the voltage and frequencies of the CPU while under load, so I just used the Stress CPU function in CPU-Z and got the following results. Voltage under stress is stable at 1.073V and Core Speed stable at 3.092GHz. Any conclusions out of this?

    [​IMG]
     
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    Cpu-Z bench doesn't stress Cpu much. But You should really take a look into How to Lower Temperatures, Stop Throttling TS guide.
     
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    Stress, not Bench. During the CPU-Z stress i was not able to open Start Menu and open Paint Brush; system was sluggish.

    Do I really need this guide? My CPU temps are 64C-69C under high load, 28C-33C at idle. No throttling here. I am curious as to why the CPU capped at 3.09GHz during the stress test and did not go for more.
     
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    @Vasudev , @macmyc , @Semmy , or any i7-6700HQ owner, can you please try the Stress Test built in CPU-Z and tell us what is your voltage and Clock Speed during the test? Something similar to what i posted here. Stock settings if possible. Thanks.
     
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    That's the truth and fun part. Intel advertise turbo boost upto 3.4GHz when only 1 core is active. Otherwise on 4 core active the speed is 3.1GHz.
     
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    Fully Locked.. Yes
    Frequency 2,600 MHz
    Turbo Frequency 3,500 MHz (1 core),
    3,300 MHz (2 cores),
    3,200 MHz (3 cores),
    3,100 MHz (4 cores)
    Less heat!! With enough load on all cores you will probably surpass 45W without undervolt. Aka Cpu will throttle.
     
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    I just monitored Clock Speed in CPU-Z while running CB R15 Multicore. Score: 662cb. The CPU Speed was stable at 2.99GHz, multiplier x30, voltage 1.06V-1.07V. So Why not stable at 3.1GHz? Intel owes me 100MHz.

    @Vasudev can you please test it?
     
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    @Vasudev have tested this guide before. Test it. Follow the setup.
     
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    Ok Pap i will have a look. Thank you.

    @Vasudev it doesnt show that you clicked on Stress CPU button. See my screen shot of CPU-z it is different.
     
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    Maybe start soft. Same concept.
    FYI. Cpu-Z bench from @Vasudev is completed in pict above.
     
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    Vasudev to compare oranges to oranges i would like to see 2 screenshots of CPU-z while running stress test and not after completion. If you please. Make sure it is stress not bench. And if possible no TS, like me.
     
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    @Vasudev use TS for undervolt + monitoring. The chips is fully locked down.
     
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    @Vasudev, thank you very much.

    Observations:

    1. My stress test score, if it means anything, is higher than yours. 1735 vs 1839
    2. Your voltage during stress test is 0.93V while mine is 1.07V. Did you undervolt?
    3. We both have same CPU Clock Speed during stress test, 3.09GHz.
    4. Cinebench score: your score is way higher than mine. 688vs 662. Can you please rerun CB R15 while showing a screenshot of CPU-Z DURING the benchmark? My clock speed during the benchmark was 2.99GHz.

    If you want to add HWMonitor reading while running the benchmark that would be good too.
     
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    Yes its undervolted by -125mV on AC and -150mV on battery. Yours can go even further -150mV for starters and can max out at -170mV or something closer.
    CPU-Z scores was increasing every second, it was 1740 after screenshot so I decided not to post it, if I had given like 5 mins or so it would been 1800. I ran it for a minute.
     
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    I can't, because of new W10 patch and uCode the CPU is unresponsive on 100% load. So mouse cursor is stuck. That's why I posted HWINFO sensors screenie. It was reset to zero and started anew.
    Like I said, use my TS profile and you can score 690-700 cb. Try it and report back.
     
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    if you have priority of CB R15 set to normal it shouldn't freeze during benchmark. I was able to run CPU-Z while running CB R15 benchmark and I have win10 patch. Are you using Realtime priority?

    I want to make my CPU work as it should at stock settings, without any tweaking. I will only apply TS settings after i ensure that stock settings are giving correct performance.
     
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    Then test wPRIME 1024M (run as adm and select 8 threads). Put up Hwinfo as pict and don't forget use high performance in Win power plan. Follow clocks, Cpu Package power and temps. Take screen shoot right before test is done.

    [​IMG]
     
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    @Vasudev If i understood you correctly, you ran HWinfo while running CB R15 benchmark, and you got max CPU Core frequency 3.09GHz (Cores 1,3,4) and 3.19GHz (core 2). But that does not tell me for how long it stayed at this frequency during the benchmark.

    My CB R15 started at 3.09GHz and then stayed stable at 2.99GHz till the end. Can you provide similar measurements so we can compare?
     
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    Maybe caused when I reset the sensor values. I can very clearly tell my cpu's max speed on 100% load 3092.79MHz
     
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    Please show...
    upload_2018-1-11_13-30-59.png

    You forget the delay. Polling frequency.
     
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    Cpu has reached it's power limit as expected. Undervolt and your cpu can hold max boost in normal tasks...
    upload_2018-1-11_13-48-57.png
     
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    Yes, while the 4 cores were at 2.89GHz-2.99GHz, the cpu package power was at 44.9W. So that's why the cores are not stable at 3.1GHz in this test? Makes sense, thank you. Vasudev scored 205 seconds on this test, i hope it is only because he undervolted. I will undervolt using TS and report back.

    Nothing else is peculiar in the readings?
     
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    Nope. Temp is ok. All you need is lower the power consumption as I said earlier posts :rolleyes:
     
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    man you edit your posts minutes after i read them so i end up missing the good stuff you add. Same applies to other notable forum members. You are all lucky that I go back and reread for fun.
     
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    Sorry, English ain't my first language and I'm damn OLD. Sometimes I have to edit. if it's ok. Hope you understand the half :D
     
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    MSI users, do you uninstall dragon center when using Throttlestop? I am concerned they conflict with each other since they both control cpu performance. I just want to undervolt. Is it better to use intel xtu with msi dragon center? They come bundled together from MSI website.
     
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    That power consumption made my cpu look like junk, mine hardly ever crosses 35W mark even with OCCT and p95.
     
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    Did someone say Prime95? :eek:
    [​IMG]
     
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    *UPDATE*

    I undervolted my CPU by 70mV using Intel XTU and...

    [​IMG]

    Thank you Papusan!
     
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    You're welcome :vbthumbsup: And never listen on bad advices or wrong info:) Will never do you any good. @ole!!! and bro @Phoenix + many others can confirm this.
     
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