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    17 inch Laptops are to weak

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Satyrion, Jun 24, 2008.

  1. ichime

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    Depends on the screen really, for instance, my Dell M1710 has a 1920x1200 native res and when I scale it down, it looks real blurry and messy. With my Alienware M9750 which also has a 1920x1200 res screen, it looks much better and sharper when it scales down compared to the M1710.
     
    ichime, Jun 25, 2008
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  2. synic

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    are you talking about gaming as well? honestly, i've used lots of computers with native resolutions that were much higher than the resolution of a game i would be playing on that computer/monitor, and i never once complained/noticed any type of "blur." nor have i ever felt the need to purchase a 19'' external monitor for a laptop with a native res of 1920x1200.
    that is a really stupid idea by the way. i hope you were joking, Satyr, when you said you would buy an external monitor and carry it around with you...
     
    synic, Jun 25, 2008
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  3. narsnail

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    i notice a blur as well
     
    narsnail, Jun 25, 2008
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  4. synic

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    sorry, have to share..
    a PM from Satyr reads:
    excuse me, what?
     
    synic, Jun 25, 2008
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  5. eleron911

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    You guys need to get high,and be one with the blurr lol :D
     
    eleron911, Jun 25, 2008
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  6. synic

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    Satyr seems to have beat everyone there :D
     
    synic, Jun 25, 2008
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  7. brainer

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    Mod Close this thread already its getting pointless.
     
    brainer, Jun 25, 2008
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  8. synic

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    it's been pointless..
     
    synic, Jun 25, 2008
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  9. Satyrion

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    Satyrion, Jun 25, 2008
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    what is your concern again?
     
    Nirvana, Jun 25, 2008
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  11. Satyrion

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    the concern was about blury LCD screen running on non native res. I am however afraid this epic tale of the blur has reached its end.
     
    Satyrion, Jun 25, 2008
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    Dreidel, Jun 25, 2008
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  13. Magnus72

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    I would say it is of course a sharper picture at native res than a lower res. Say you switch from 1920x1200 to 1680x1050 the interpolation isn´t that muc noticable. It is more noticable though going from 1920x1200 to 1280x800. Also depends on the screen itself.
     
    Magnus72, Jun 26, 2008
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  14. knightingmagic

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    Running a game at lower than native resolution is quite bad in my opinion. Sure, it softens jaggies, but everything becomes mushy.

    Every since i've gotten a 1680x1050 22" monitor, i've been tempted to switch it out with the other 1280x1024 17" monitor just to run games faster and crisper. 1280x768 on a 1680x1050 monitor is so blurry.
     
    knightingmagic, Jun 26, 2008
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  15. sirmetman

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    Well 1280X768 is gonna look wonky at any res. It's not a matching aspect ratio to any native screen res.
     
    sirmetman, Jun 26, 2008
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  16. Satyrion

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    Looks am not the only 1 anymore who hates the blur :)

    Ohh and sirmetman he said 1280x1024.
     
    Satyrion, Jun 26, 2008
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  17. sirmetman

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    Nice try though.
     
    sirmetman, Jun 26, 2008
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  18. fabarati

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    Blurriness depends on the screen, what resolution you running it on, the game and you. Bioshock/UT3 scales very well. Oblivion was painful to run at 1280x800 vs 1440x900. Some don't notice it, some do.
     
    fabarati, Jun 26, 2008
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  19. Satyrion

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    CRT screens is the future and the way to go than :D
     
    Satyrion, Jun 26, 2008
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    The Witcher scaled horribly, whereas Mass Effect scaled great. It just varies by title.
     
    Jlbrightbill, Jun 26, 2008
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  21. kreidel

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    Satyrion, you scare me. I think the same way about screen resolution and I have made a few posts about this also. I refuse to scale so we are in the same boat. Keep fighting the fight!

    Eurocom offers the 5793 with WXGA 1440x900 with the 8800m GTX.
     
    kreidel, Jun 26, 2008
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  22. usapatriot

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    Dell now offers dual 8800GTX's in they M1730?

    That should handle 1920 x 1200.
     
    usapatriot, Jun 26, 2008
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  23. Satyrion

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    The GTX in SLI is very expensive and in like 6 months they r useless and so is the laptop for the newer games and than u gotta get a new 1 with better graphic cards if u wanna play native res.
     
    Satyrion, Jun 26, 2008
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  24. sirmetman

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    lol, that is the most rediculous statement I have seen in a while. A laptop with dual 8800M GTXes will most definitely not be useless in 6 months. SLI 8800Ms will be quite respectable in years still, most likely.
     
    sirmetman, Jun 26, 2008
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  25. Satyrion

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    Sure they will but they wont be able to keep up in Native ress with all details maxed on a 1920x1200 screen for much longer than 6 months. I can promise you that.

    That what was i was talking about if u didnt get it
     
    Satyrion, Jun 26, 2008
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  26. sirmetman

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    Your own words. You're 0 for 2 now.
     
    sirmetman, Jun 26, 2008
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  27. Magnus72

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    Nah they will last longer than 6 months. I mean I can still even today play games at 1920x1200 on a single go 7800 GTX in my old XPS M170 and that is with a single GPU.

    If my 8800m GTX SLI can play Crysis at 1920x1200 DX10 High there is no doubt there will come any game anytime soon that is more demanding than Crysis.

    Just look at Brainer´s SLI setup with two 7950GTX, he still plays games fine at native res and 7950GTX is old by now.
     
    Magnus72, Jun 26, 2008
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  28. knightingmagic

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    This monitor refuses to run in 1280x800 mode with a fullscreen game running (the last 34 rows are cut off), and 1440x900 results in poor performance.
     
    knightingmagic, Jun 26, 2008
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  29. brainer

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    hehe was about the comment about this, yup, what he said is true, maybe i dont have a 1900x1200 screen since i didnt have the extra money to buy it , but i still Pretty much max out any game in the market right now at Native res but Crysis on high not very high. which is great considering i'm playing it on Native res, and those cards are what? a year and a half old already? id say they will last me another year and a half easily. maybe not highest settings, but still high.
     
    brainer, Jun 26, 2008
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  30. Harper2.0

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    If you're THAT worried, get yourself a PS3 or XBOX 360. Run games for the next 5 years at your TV's native res :p
     
    Harper2.0, Jun 26, 2008
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  31. brainer

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    Omg the Ultimate Solution! +rep!
     
    brainer, Jun 26, 2008
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  32. sirmetman

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    That sounds like your scaler sucks. Maybe firmware update or something? Otherwise, you are stuck with lame hardware.
     
    sirmetman, Jun 26, 2008
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  33. BlackestNight21

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    I'm still not 100% sure what blur he's talking about. I don't get blur and I run mine at 1600x1200? Perhaps I'm just missing somethin' fierce here or the OP is completely nuts.
     
    BlackestNight21, Jun 26, 2008
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  34. KGann

    KGann NBR Themesong Writer

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    We're thinking the latter of the two.
     
    KGann, Jun 26, 2008
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  35. umar

    umar Notebook Evangelist

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    this is the funniest thread i ever read
     
    umar, Jun 27, 2008
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  36. knightingmagic

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    That's actually the most sensible thing to do if you can't spend $300 a year for a gaming computer ($1,000 for the first 2 years, $500 more for upgrades).

    lol, there's no fix from Westinghouse. Oh well, it works great anyway and it was only $180 after tax.
     
    knightingmagic, Jun 27, 2008
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  37. sirmetman

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    Oh, yeah... isn't Westinghouse known to...underperform?
     
    sirmetman, Jun 27, 2008
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  38. KGann

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    Pretty much...
     
    KGann, Jun 27, 2008
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  39. narsnail

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    actually if anyone needs to get there eyes checked, or if anyone is crazy, I htink its all you guys saying there is no blur. There is most deff a blur! I only have to downscale from 1440x900 to 1024x768 in Crysis, and there is surely a blur, the text is blurry and everything is rounded or softened on the edges.
     
    narsnail, Jun 27, 2008
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  40. KGann

    KGann NBR Themesong Writer

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    I'm sure there's a blur, but there is no need to freak out and make a big deal about it. It doesn't destroy gaming.
     
    KGann, Jun 27, 2008
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  41. Satyrion

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    I am sure KGann is the type of person who says that 15 FPS in a FPS is playable as well...
     
    Satyrion, Jun 27, 2008
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  42. sirmetman

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    And of course, 1024X768 is a 4:3 resolution, while 1440X900 is 16:10. When you're scaling from a different aspect ratio, it is going to make for even more scaling artifacts (ie bluriness).
     
    sirmetman, Jun 27, 2008
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  43. Harper2.0

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    OP- your only options are

    i) get a console

    Or

    ii) build yourself a nice upgradeable desktop.

    Can I safely say end of discussion?
     
    Harper2.0, Jun 27, 2008
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  44. KGann

    KGann NBR Themesong Writer

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    Obviously you're new to the forum.



    I am well known for whining about ~35FPS. (If it's a First Person Shooter, I refuse to play it under 35FPS)


    Try again.
     
    KGann, Jun 27, 2008
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  45. Harper2.0

    Harper2.0 Back from the dead?

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    this thread is pointless. Obviously the op just wants to complain and not take into consideration the solutions suggested. We need one of lithus' brilliant remarks to end this discussion :p
     
    Harper2.0, Jun 27, 2008
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  46. KGann

    KGann NBR Themesong Writer

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    Lithus is the king of E-net One Liners.
     
    KGann, Jun 27, 2008
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  47. Satyrion

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    Satyrion
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    not that new
     
    Satyrion, Jun 27, 2008
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  48. KGann

    KGann NBR Themesong Writer

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    Jesus this thread is hopeless. Just drop it man. Wow, you've been hear for 6 months... fantastic, we were going to throw a suprise Satyrion 6 Month Party, but someone forgot the streamers.

    Get a $4,000 notebook if you're afraid of blur... if not, then take everyone else's suggestions.
     
    KGann, Jun 27, 2008
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  49. Nirvana

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    how is a $4000 laptop gonna avoid blur?
     
    Nirvana, Jun 27, 2008
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  50. KGann

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    High-end GPU= Games more apt to run at Native Resolutions.
     
    KGann, Jun 27, 2008
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