3DMark11 on the upcoming GTX 780M!!!

Back on mobile GPU. Has anyone read this NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M Gaming Performance Exposed - Features GK104 With 1536 Cores Or am I posting something you all know or someone already posted?

 

LOL I posted that information over a day ago
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/718021-i-m-upgrading-you-gtx-780m-review-inside.html

 

Got a few thousand of the £'s in the savings just for this but currently unemployed (just about to graduate from uni, course finishes this month). Once I find reliable income I'm gonna bag me once of these beauties! When is this rumoured to be released - I'm guessing this summer or autumn?

 

June 2013. There is an announcement at E3 by Alienware on the 10th of June.

 

Woop woop woop woop woop!

I might get a desktop instead but it entirely depends on whether I'll need the portability. I'll know when I move in to my new house/flat (wherever that may be) but for now my room (which I have until August) is definitely waaaaay too tiny for even the tiniest desktop PC!

Man, I can't imagine the difference between my 650M and one of those beasts. I'll miss the sleekness of my current laptop but then again who says I have to sell it

 

Does the MSI G series laptop have under-utilization problems? Since optimus cannot be disabled like one can on AWs(MUX). I.e. I wonder if GT70 with 780m benches reached it's full potential?

p.s posted this question on another thread but realized this thread is more appropriate.

 

I never had any particular under utilization issues with my machine, and so far nothing has suggested there will be with the new GT70

 

IIRC, the under-utilization problems were due to a design problem in Sagers where the machine used the iGPU for display, and the dGPU for rendering and stuff. I'm not positive if this actually turned out to be true (been out for almost a year), but I doubt GT70 will have these problems, and it will most likely be avoided. Besides, I don't recall Optimus having the same underutilization problems as the 7970M, since it has been out much longer than Enduro has, and therefore, must have more consistency.

 

Every machine with both a 7970M and Enduro has utilization issues, across all manufacturers If it has Nvidia, there's nothing to worry about..

If it has Nvidia, there's nothing to worry about

 

.weird double post

 

Very weird. You not only double posted, but repeated yourself. You okay?

 

I blame the laptops... They're plotting against us... >w>

 

well at least what we know is,

If it has Nvidia, there's nothing to worry about

 

I feel like this generation will be meh, both nvidia and ATi wise. I will wait till the generation after this one for some real action, not a rebadge/refresh.

 

What I'm curious about is this: The stock 780M appears to score about about 13% higher in 3dmark11 than my slightly OC'd 7970m, which is terribly unimpressive, especially in the context where not having enduro means I got to skip a ton of amd-related issues.
But I've been reading that 3Dmark11 doesn't reflect real gaming performance (due to bandwidth limitations and other causes - this was on the GTX-680m though).
Now, the memory bandwidth on the 780m is 160GB/s compared to 154GB/s on the 7970m and around 110GB/s on the 680m.
How do you guys think this would stack up?

Would I even feel an upgrade to the 780m, seeing as how there's no memory bottleneck and core-wise it's not a vastly superior product compared to the previous competition (the GTX-680m)?

 

If you look at 1080p benchmarks with 4xAA which is what you will be gaming with:

According to 3DMark.com, a 7970M @ 1060MHz/1550MHz will score 2324 GPU points in 3DMark11 Extreme preset. Thats probably the limit I guess?
Reborn2013 got his GTX 780M on stock voltage @1000MHz1550MHz to score 2905 GPU points in 3DMark Extreme preset. That is 25% better than a max overclocked 7970M.

So yeah, a OC 780M will beat a OCed 7970M by a pretty big margin

 

Why would you upgrade, when you're gaming at 1080p just fine? Anyone with a 7970M or 680M just needs to wait for the Summer of 2014.

 

Depends on what games you're playing. There are plenty of current games that the 680m and 7970m can't max out at 1080p, with plenty more ahead. If you're fine with lowering settings then yeah, the 7970m and 680m are still totally capable, but if you want the best mobile gaming experience possible (maxed out, 60fps) then upgrading makes sense.

Besides, upgrading is fun lol.

 

Because ppl who visit this forum are performaholics.

 

Unless you are using stock GPUs, upgrading from 680m to 780m on a game you can't max, will probably mean you can't max the game with the new GPU haha. Unless the game is very memory bandwidth starved.

If you OC, then you will be fine regardless

 

At max settings you're talking maybe 15% improvement with overclock. That means 30fps vs 34FPS. Not a huge difference. And most games if I can't play at ultra, I just drop a couple settings to high and gain 10fps. I mean there won't be a single title that a 680m owner will cry and say waaaah my 680m can't exceed 30fps, but the 780m can. It's a significant upgrade over 580m. Maxwell will smoke the 780m.

Upgrading may be fun, but it's also a significant toll on the wallet for marginal gains in FPS. If I had unlimited funds I'd do it if only for the interest in the technology. Instead I'm investing in a 13" laptop that will exceed 670mx performance, and be a lot more portable.

 

Yeah I agree WingNut, my 580m died so I was going to wait for the 780m, but it seems it's going to cost around $850. If I can get a 680m for $450 then the extra $400 will just go into the wedding savings (hopefully getting married within a year or less, every $100 saved counts!)

If I was still single then I would have totally gone for the 780m though. haha

 

I'm sure you'll have a choice of used 680m's from the group here though. Some enthusiasts here will likely upgrade from 680m to 780m and hopefully you can snatch a bargain. If I were buying a new laptop, I'd pay the extra for the 780m just because price differential likely won't be much different than that with a 680m, unless they discount them significantly to get rid of stock. I know the 780m is a bit restrained because of drivers right now and want to see how far it can be pushed (Meaker, where are you?). But this whole Boost 2.0 is a bit annoying too. Just means we'll have to lean on custom BIOS even more.

 

While the percentage sounds great, the reality is only 2-2.5 fps gain lol!

 

Which represents going from 45 fps to 60fps in a 1080p title.

Having fun watching people tie themselves in knots and scratching my head at people arguing with hints I try to drop.

I would certainly not blame 680m msi users upgrading to a 780m system lets put it that way.

 

Cloudfire mentioned 1080p + 4xAA (MSAA? SSAA?). So find me a game that goes from 45 fps with an OC 7970M to 60 FPS with an OC 780M with those settings (and make sure it isn't one of those games that is notorious for running like crap on an AMD card). I'm genuinely curious because you seem to be overexaggerating the 780M's performance in every thread.

 

Or, its several people here who seem to be downplaying GTX 780M performance in every thread. Maybe have been a little spoiled by what 680M accomplished. Can`t argue against that
There are many games that could use a better GPU than the current GPUs if you ask me.

Lets say 7970M max OC gain 20% more FPS. And lets look at max settings @ 1080p. (You can still increase the setting further, MSAA and 8xAA etc)

Metro Last Light
31FPS stock. overclocked, 40FPS. 780M, 50FPS.
10FPS gain

SimCity
31FPS stock, overclocked, 40FPS. 780M, 50FPS
10FPS gain

Crysis 3:
20FPS stock, overclocked, 24FPS (not playable). 780M, 30FPS (playable)
6FPS gain

Far Cry 3:
25FPS stock, overclocked, 30FPS. 780M, 38 FPS
8FPS gain

Assassin Creed 3
21FPS stock, overclocked 25FPS. 780M, 32FPS
7FPS gain

Hitman
27 FPS stock, overclocked 32FPS. 780M, 40FPS.
8FPS gain

Guild Wars
27 FPS stock, overclocked 32 FPS, 780M 40FPS
8FPS gain

Sleeping Dogs
29FPS stock, overclocked 35FPS, 780M 44FPS
9FPS gain

The Secret World
25FPS stock, overclocked 30FPS, 780M 38FPS
8FPS gain

Battlefield 3
38FPS stock, overclocked 45FPS, 780M 57FPS
12FPS gain

etc
etc

 

You just made a bunch of numbers up. I want real results.

 

I found the 7970M stock results at notebookcheck. Overclock gain 20% is what I made up. I guess that it will hit somewhere around that with OC. I couldn`t find any OC reviews so sorry about that

 

My overclocked 680M puts the 7970M quite firmly in its place at 1080p so I don't know quite what you are getting at.

You seem to be suggesting that a mildly overclocked 7870 desktop card could match up to a GTX670.

 

Yeah, if the M17x R5 or Clevo-Sager offerings will be awesome enough, I'll try to find a rich kid over here to sell my current R3 to (which will be a mean machine with 2960xm +680m etc) and get a brand new one with the 780m. But that depends on my luck!

 

I think the 780 will have spectacular performance but I still cannot justify upgrading my setup at this price/performance point. If I had a single 680m then yeah or if I had a previous gen then also yeah. I went from 8700m SLI to 680m SLI and I am a very happy camper right now. I think I will hold for the next gen GPU and wait for the xm CPU prices to drop hard after the release of Haswell and that should give another boost to my rig until the new gen comes out.

 

Just wait one more year. 680M to 880M has to be a good jump, probably like 580M to 680M.

 

Of course; but it really depends on the individual buying. Some people like to stay at the bleeding edge; whether in games or benchmarks. I could easily wait with my rig in sig for the Maxwell GPU line which will indeed be an order of magnitude greater. However, there are games right now that I am struggling in. The 780s would fix that OR I can turn down settings; it's up to my taste...and budget.

The 5870 was king but then the 6970 doubled up. A year later the 680/7970 doubled up. There are incremental upgrades and then there are big ones but it doesn't always play out that way. Plus, by waiting, you may be sacrificing a lot of "smile time" just for the sake of the "perfect upgrade" (which there isn't one). You gotta pay to play in the mobile gaming landscape. If you can play the games at the settings you want, then there isn't a reason to upgrade UNLESS you are a gamer who likes the bleeding edge (which MANY people on these forums like).

With that said, I think a lot of people who are a bit bitter (not implying you at all in this), are experiencing a bit of their own cognitive dissonance. As they have new machines with 680M/680M SLI, they have to buffer their slight feelings of letdown that the new cards and new systems are just around the corner. "Only a 30% difference, that sucks" "It's not like the jump from 580m->680m." The fact is these cards are going to be better. In some of the current games at the highest settings it will be the difference between 50FPS and 65FPS. It could be the difference from 28-35FPS to 45-52FPS. In some upcoming games it can be the difference between 20FPS and 33FPS.

So the cards will be worth it for some people. I was convinced I wasn't going to buy until Maxwell Debut. But with that coming in probably Summer/Fall of 2014 and now that the consoles are finalized with their architecture, I am debating getting a 780M SLI rig. Could I easily get by (with some games turned down) for the next year? Definitely. Do I like shiny new toys that are at the bleeding edge of technology that will trounce anything I throw at in for the next year? Definitely. So the decision gets pretty muddy...at least for me

 

There's nothing wrong with wanting to upgrade from 680m to 780m AT ALL. To each their own, and as an enthusiast I can appreciate it. But if you really think the 780m will be able to improve performance from 20FPS to 33FPS you're kidding yourself. Or if there's really any games that will run at 20FPS on 680m to begin with that the 780m will somehow boost the performance by 66% you're kidding yourself too. It'll be more like an improvement from 30 to 35FPS most likely.

If you're a detail "enthusiast" and must have everything at Ultra settings then perhaps the 780m may eek those extra FPS to make it playable, but it's still likely hovering around 30FPS whether 680m or 780m. Personally, I'd much rather drop a few details which 99% of the time makes next to no difference in visual detail, but gives a much more significant boost than an $800 upgrade would.

I've owned my 680m for nearly a year now and it has served me well, and ultimately haven't had it hiccup at anything I've thrown at it. I'm impressed that nVidia have actually improved the performance by as much as they have from 580m to 680m and also with the 780m. But I'll be even more impressed if I find it's actually still within the 100W TDP. I just have a feeling that users that upgrade a system designed for a 580m or 680m may find themselves thermally limited for any amount of overclock.

From a stock to stock performance perspective you may see a 30-35% improvement, but from a realistic and reasonable overclock you're likely looking at 20-25% improvement.

 

I understand what you're saying: it comes down to preference.

 

650M > 780M will be nice jump oh yes oh yes indeed. Sure, 880M will make me feel bad but that's problem for next year, time to live in the now.

 

But wasn't the new AMD gen announced to the end of this year, the 9xxx series? If that would be true I am not sure Nvidia would want to wait for summer 2014 for their next gen.

 

Well I don't know if it's fair to talk about turning down details as most people "aren't bleeding edge" enthusiasts but then use the "20-25%" OC potential as your argument as the regular user wouldn't OC to begin with and would therefore benefit from a 30-35% improvement which IS more than 5fps.

However I really think it's 1/6 half dozen or the other as I pretty much think exactly like you do. I have had my m18xR1 580M SLI for almost two years now (july 2011). That's a pretty good ROI and realistically I COULD wait for the Maxwell (and may) which would give me a 3 year ROI on 2,400 bucks. Not bad at all. As you said, it just depends on how badly I want the bleeding edge. I guess I will see how bored and impulsive I am on Any Given Sunday
Cheers.

 

Who cares if the 880m is going to be faster? Just buy the 780m now and buy the 880m next year.

 

I just buy a new maxed out rig every year anyway because I'm extremely wealthy.

 

Gotta love consumerism

 

Not gonna lie. I tend to do this lately, because I can afford it haha.

 

Me too and in truth so would nearly everyone if they could afford to.

 

Not really. Just because you have money doesn't mean you have to spend it. I can afford to upgrade my GPU or upgrade to a whole new machine, but I don't see the need to do so. Money in the pocket is more important to me than money spent on a marginal increase in performance.

 

I agree wholeheartedly! I also like you could get myself a brand new machine perhaps even one of those M18x 780M SLI ones ;D however I won:t spend the money.

I actually get kicks seeing how far the M15x can be pushed. It actually does a more than adequate job considering it:s age.

True though most would if they could afford it as society in general encourages us to throw away and buy new! While the build quality of products these days just isn:t great meaning they tend to fall apart faster than they ought to meaning again consumerism prevails.

 

And this is precisely what separates you from the rest as a father (or from the filthy rich umm, no offense)

 

Hey! Being a father is great thanks I think I can speak for Htwingnut when I say this.

 

You know, It's hard to not crack a smile reading that while looking at your sig, mate

 

Hahaha, well I am not rich, but let's say that resell value is good enough when you max machines and sell it to customers that know what's up The only reason I can afford it is because I usually stay with a machine less than a year so they are still of good value, with warranty etc etc.

But it really depends. right now I am saving money for family purposes, so I just barely made it hahaha. Most likely won't happen for a while.