5830 1gb Vs 260m GTX

So i have it down to either getting the Envy 15 or going with a m15x and i was wondering what would perform betting in games, if both has the same Processor (i7 720) which would perform best in games? could i get some examples of how well they would do such as in MW2 with Full Settings, none of the AA stuff and at full res which would be perform best and what kind of FPS would i be looking at?

i would want this laptop to last a good 2years i dont mind gaming with reduced settings in the future but i dont want to have to start reducing the settings now, would prefer at least a year with good settings before i have to start reducing them.

Is there any other good 15inch gaming laptops that i can buy from within the UK?

 

Id say if you can wait a couple weeks, rumor has it the m15x is getting a 5*** series card is going to be released for it. I would chose the m15x over the envy anyday. The thing is like a sauna it runs incredibly hot

 

Really? i heard that it runs quite cool, and is alot thinner
is the 5*** series better then the current m15x 260m GTX?

 

the 5 series Is much better, I would wait (I also have a gripe against ANYTHING hp and would never touch it, but thats personal )

But that aside, i would NEVER pick a 260m over a 5 Series.

 

They are probably comparable in terms of performance...

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-260M.14559.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-5830.24733.0.html

I personally have the 260M GTX in my lappy and it is a powerhouse - that would be my choice.

I would take the M15x over the envy any day - the fact that you can upgrade the graphics card in the future makes it worth it. I would also be willing to bet the cooling system in the M15x is better.

 

will it be more expensive then the nVidia series that you can get in it already?
kinda like the look and how thin the Envy is the m15x seems quite thick and really prefer the skullcap design on the ripply design that they have now

 

I would choose the AW any day.
The ENVY is nice but it runs hot from all the reports I have read, but I don't like HP too many bad experiances with them.
If you can wait a few weeks you might be surprised what AW is coming out with.

 

I can wait, will the new 5*** series mean a little price drop when it comes to upgrading the graphics? shockingly the Am15x is few hundred £££ cheaper then the Envy

 

Based on the Vantage scores (similar performance), I'd pick the 5830 since it only requires 1/3 (24W vs 75W) of the power the 260 does. Also, the clocks on it are lower (both core and memory) so there should be more OC room. Lastly, you get the DX11 features, plus a newer GPU so driver updates (less mature=more room to grow) will be more likely to provide more power than the 260.

 

Thanks for your views, just hard too decide

 

Personally i would get Asus G73.. way better than alienware for the price... and if u really want to choose from the 2 , i'd get the GTX260M although its directx 10.1... and if u really want to waste ur money on an M15x, wait a few weeks for the refresh with the 5870 to come out...

 

Somehow, people think that DX11 should be a major sell-factor here.

Fine, I guess I made a great choice moving up from go7950 GTX to an 8600m GT. I did move up, right? Because none of my games could run well at a high resolution any longer.

Not saying that the 5830 ain't the bomb or anything, but when making such a decision, one should consider the overall power and crunch of each card rather than the latest HIP API that said card supports. A more powerful DX10 card is still the better option than a weaker card with DX11 support.

The differences need to be critically analysed. It's pretty obvious. One card has a 128-bit bandwidth, and it doesn't have GDDR5 VRAM to make up for that lacking bandwidth. The other card is a solid 256-bit. This carries implications regarding resolution in gaming. These synthetic benchmarks are run at a relatively lower resolutions. Can you say confidentally that you'll not require a resolution more than 1280x1024, or 1440x900? Because I see a 128-bit GDDR3 GPU having to compromise quite a bit in order to run at resolutions of 1050p, 1080p, and 1200p. DX11 isn't going to magically make 128-bit work like twice the beast.

 

its ashame that the g73 looks really ugly and is 17incher when i am looking for a nice sleek 15incher that can do gaming

 

m15x is about the same size as an average 17'' laptop.

 

maybe thickness wise but not the other dimensions
what is it like compared to a np9262 (my current laptop)

 

m15x
* Height: 48.70mm (1.92 inches)
* Width: 377.93mm (14.88 inches)
* Depth: 308.51mm (12.15 inches)
* Weight: 4.08kg* (9lbs)


studio 17

Dimensions & Weight
Width: 413.6mm
Height: 27.7mm front / 39.0mm back
Depth: 280.6mm
Weight: Starting at 3.2kg3 (minimum configuration with 6-cell battery).

all taken fromm dell.co.uk

they are comparable. you could even say the studio is more portable.

 

not too sure about the other dimentions but the m15 is about twice as thick as the Envy but is 2inches really that much? i think the np9262 is more then that so that wouldnt bother me, what about the length, hieght and everything of the Envy?

 

NP9262 - 15.5" x 11.8" x 2.4" - 11.5 lbs
M15x - 14.9" x 12.2" x 1.9" - 9.4 lbs
Envy 15 - 14.9" x 9.6" x 1.0" - 5.2 lbs

 

quite a weight difference, makes the Envy looking like a good option due to its weight the thickness is nice as well what are the first 3 dimensions in order? is it H, w, d?

 

have u looked into the msi laptops i was thinking of getting one myself:

15"-taste: http://www.xoticpc.com/gx640098us-order-p-2766.html
17"-taste: http://www.xoticpc.com/gx740079us-order-p-2765.html

 

Not an option til they are sold within UK

 

oh that suks

 

Yep
Want to keep price down as much as possible, and delivery + tax and import tax would be like £500 on its own and then theres the laptop itself

 

The 5830 is 128-bit. You guys really want to believe that it will rival the GTX 260M?

 

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There's £100 off the M15x using this link: http://configure.euro.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&oc=N00W1504&dgc=AF&cid=5212&lid=122756&acd=af21d59d6ef1695b637e6837cff02916 (from dmxdimension).
Only a few days remaining, if you want it.

 

I have an Envy. You get more like 2.5 hours or more just doing basic stuff.

I played Civ4 at full resolution, high everything, 2xAA on an entire flight from Charlotte, SC to Denver, CO, and when I was required to turn it off by the airline I still had 21% total battery life remaining, about 60% of the smaller, main battery.

Ehh. It is a fairly big adapter, but I was expecting it to be MUCH bigger than it actually is given all the crap like this that people were spouting.

Fair enough. I'm still happy with the build quality and performance of my Envy.

The 5830 has a 128bit bus, but it's also not built on 3 generation old technology. Nvidia's 2xx series is all but identical to the 9xxx series. There hasn't been anything new in their chips, and there's not looking to be until at least 6 months from now. Stock clocks my Envy turns 7991 in 3DMark06, and creeps up to almost 10K with some simple overclocking. Given that the Nvidia cards tend to perform higher in 3DMark related to their actual performance in games, I'm pretty happy with it. The 5830 also runs at less than 1/3 the TDP of the 260GTX (24W vs 75W). The Envy may not be a machine you want, but pretty much all the stuff you're saying about it is completely false. The 260M GTX is a faster card, but just barely, and its performance per watt, which is important if you have a laptop, is absolutely pitiful.

 

As Pitabred says is. The Envy is highly underrated.

Mine is the first gen ever. 720 and 4830HD (now I kinda regret not waiting for the 5830HD, but heck, I ended up paying 1K only, so who cares).

I get using CATIA V5 R19 (3D modeling software) 2 hours of battery life, this is with my CPU locked at 7x multiplier (thanks to HP) and max usage never goes to more than 25% (I set that). The GPU on normal battery clocks (250 and 650 IIRC) and 2 hours of continuous use. Not bad considering I only have the 53kWh 6 cell battery and an i7.

When idling or few usage, I can push it to around 3 hours, a bit less. No WiFi nor BT 0% brightness. Not gaming. Word processing or simple tasks. It got me from Paris to London via Eurostar and the battery had 35% or so remaining, as I wrote a letter and listened to music.

Ok, the adapter is big. I weighted it at 0.7Kg. It is not humongous, but I was impressed, since it was double the volume of my old Dell 65W adapter. I'm used now. The 90W adapter from HP works too, but I'd suggest to be careful with it. Oh, BTW, I think the AW has a 150W adapter...lol

Those results everyone comments are somewhere in NBR in a thread I posted long ago. It was an idea only, considering the amount of cheap laptops and netbooks HP sells, and quantities of models or models were not posted. For example, the EliteBooks are considered top-notch on build quality and rival the ThinkPads and Latitudes easily. The Envy is quite solid, and I am proud to say it has survived me for 4 months already, and thankfully no scratches so far (just a minor one on the battery...but that is a different story).

Ok, I'll give you the 128bit GPU. But the 5830HD is far more future proof than the GTX260M. At full WUXGA it will get hit in performance, obviously, but as far as power goes, it has plenty.

I vote for the Envy. And no. It does not overheat, as I have stated many times before. It only gets lukewarm.

 

Hold on a second. . . I agree with most points you have made, but when on Earth was 3dMark and Vantage an Nvidia bias of contention? All synthetic benchmarks pertaining to their developers clearly favour ATi design. Hell, we have 3xxxx series Radeons thrashing Nvidia mobile cards in certain 3dMark runs. Sorry, I don't buy this line. ATi cards do much better running these benchmarks are stock resolutions. Also, compared to their performance in synthetic benchmarks, Nvidia cards actually seem to do better in real-world gaming.

Secondly, 128-bit bus is a serious strike against power. Envy is certainly a good machine, but future proof on grounds of the 5830 when compared tothe 260m GTX? So then my 8600m is future proof too compared to the 7950 GTX? I mean, it has more shaders, and they are unified. On paper, it sounds powerful and exhibits more shader power and FLOPs (yet it struggles to handle each and every game compared to a last-gen go7950GTX with traditional pipelines and vertex shaders). Sorry, a 260m GTX is clearly a powerhouse in its own right - at least it can push resolution. Besides, when we so casually throw out terms like 'power' we confuse people. Some think it is resolution. . . others think it is post-processing effects. . . others think it is the latest API, which is asinine. . . others think it is maximum polygons. We know two of those factors are highly gimped by the 128-bit bandwidth. Had this card a GDDR5 configuration, then absolutely it would win out against the 260m GTX in every respect, as well as being future proof. As of right now, you simply have the DX11 tag, which means very little in terms of real world crunch in a majority of games.

Once again: Saying DX11 and futureproof is not going to magically grant a 128-bit GDDR3 card the powers of a 128-bit GDDR5 card, or a 256-bit GDDR 3 card. It could be DX360, but you'll still have to acknowledge and appreciate those limitations.

 

Agreed. From a gaming perspective, the GTX 260M >>> HD 5830.

 

I had both laptops. To me m17x is pointless. It is not portable. I would carry a 17" laptop at the same weight instead of that and it is not as good as M17x in built quality either. Toshiba x505 with GTS 360M and 18.4" screen weighs close to m15x and performs same. The envy on the other hand is more impressive since it is light and yet still powerfull. It does not overheat like many people said. Especially if you go with the i5 CPUs. 5830 is a great card for where it can fit. You may get 1-2 fps more with m15x but from my experience with both envy is a much better buy.

 

Envy is a better buy? Who am I to question. I am no seller. It is probably a good buy.

Will the card difference only yield 1-2 FPS more for M15x? At 600p? Because if not, then that's quite a statement. Care to share some figures? Because if that's the case, I might consider more options for the future.

Later.

 

In Vantage, Nvidia gets a boost in scores because of PhysX.

Where do you keep getting this "futureproof" word? I never used it in my post. I'm saying the 5830 is a much faster card per watt than the 260M GTX. The 260M GTX will beat it in raw performance, there is no question there, but it needs to DISSIPATE MORE THAN THREE TIMES THE POWER TO DO SO. This is a consequence of it being basically an overclocked 9800M GTX. Both cards have the exact same core. If you plan to EVER use your laptop on battery, you don't want a 260M GTX. If you only carry your laptop from outlet to outlet and you don't mind it dissipating 75W (that's more than two i5-540M CPU's, BTW, 16W more than what the CPU+GPU in the Envy require at full bore, just for the 260M GTX GPU), that's your issue.

The fact that the 5830 does DX11 is just a bonus... it's not a lot slower than the 260M, and it will support a lot of the tesselation and such that games are starting to use.

My contention is not that the 5830 is a faster card. It's that the 5830 gives you more performance (using Notebookcheck numbers, 7730/24 = 322 3DMark06/W for the 5830 vs 10074/75W = 134 3DMark06/W for the 260M GTX) per watt dissipated, runs cooler, and supports more upcoming features by virtue of it not just being a reclocking of the chip they've sold for the last 3 years or so.

 

Dude, I'll say this bluntly. . . no one benches Nvidia cards with PhysX activated. It doesn't count in the official benchmark threads.

Secondly, we also analyse GPU scores, which PhysX has no bearing on, so once again, my point stands. Vantage and 3dMark runs are ATi winning grounds, amongst many others.

The third point would be against futureproof features. You have a valid point there in terms of the card being newer and cooler. However, DX11 and tessalation will require resources. A very bad example: My 9400m GS can do DX10, but how much of DX10 at what settings? To make an example: I prefer to play DX9 games at a much better performance using my 8800m GTX than DX10, which added a few perks at the cost of performance hits and what not else. Of course, that too is open to many questions, because some games now use DX11, but don't really employ many of its features, so they don't create a performance hit. A DX10 card could virtually do the same under those conditions, and where a true niche DX11 title does come into question, it'll be too much for even the weaker 5830. Might as well just run DX10. To me. . . we're nearing the tactic of grasping at straws when we put a weaker card over a stronger card on grounds that it supports a new feature that it might not have the power to even fully realise or execute on a large scale.

 

So... you're saying the 260M GTX is a faster card than the 5830? Congratulations, we agree. My point is that the 260M GTX is not a good card in a laptop because it does almost 1/3 as much work for each watt dissipated, so to run a 260M GTX in a laptop you need a cooling system that does over 3X as much work to get marginally better performance, not to mention the fact that it'd be useless to use on battery. The 5830 is a quite capable gaming card, even if the 260M GTX is faster. It is a much better card to have in a laptop. If you're looking for performance, why not look at a machine like the Asus G73Jh with the 5870 in it? That dissipates 60W (STILL 20% lower power dissipation than the 260M GTX) and wipes the floor with it in performance.

 

I have the 260m gtx now. And it kicks.

plays all games maxed

crysis maxed=20fps (just use a config)
bioshock maxed=80-140fps
call of duty maxed=60-120fps

ect

and the hd5870 doesnt exactly wipe the floor compared to the 260m. in game it gets like 10 percent higher framerates 30fps vs 33fps. and resolution plays a role in what card you should have.

If your laptop has a rez of 1980x1080 and has a hd5870, it will perform roughly the same as a laptop with a 1440x900 rez and a 260m gtx slightly overclocked.

 

Personally I wouldn't get either. Why don't you look at the cheaper Asus with the GTX 260, at a lower price than both laptops? If not that, there must be other options using the GTX260. Or maybe a laptop using the HD4870, I'd imagine that would be on par with the GTX260 or better, with better power and temperatures. More money for games!

In your fantasy dreamland. You say Crysis you get 20? I get 34 with a high of 43. I'd love to see your 260 getting 80-140 FPS in Bioshock, that number looks like you just grabbed it from thin air. HD5870 is more powerful than 2 260s atm. So I have no idea what gibberish you are spouting.

And also it takes a hell of lot more power to run games at 1080p than your 1440*900. But then to me an essential part of gaming laptop is an exceptional screen. But that's my opinion.

 

Sarcasm. . . nice. But yes. We agree.

Yes, it would be moot on battery. But marginally better? On a power source, you'd be able to chug out great visuals on very good resolutions. Hope you realise that while I am not disagreeing with you, I am also giving my view on the a point that you've dismissed.

Agreed.

5870 is better, and that's due to the GDDR5 RAM, we all know that as a reality check. 5830 cannot be compared to the higher-end capabilities of these cards. Once again, not saying it's a bad card; not saying it isn't suited to a true portable scenario.

 

MSI GX640-098US

Must be a decent laptop with the HD5850 and only $1,200. I'd imagine the battery life to be good, the screen is nice resolution for that size. 1680*1050 | 15.4"

Does look a bit too flashy for me, but the hardware looks solid. It is GDDR3 not GDDR5, but I'd imagine still good performance.

 

5830 and 260m gtx are really very close to each other. Remember I had both systems.

 

oh man thats horrbile. gddr3 and 128bit bus. no no no no. the card WILL crumble at hard core games and res.

256bit and gddr3 or 128bit gddr5. dont go any lower.

 

I would definitely get the Envy. The card inside is what I like to call the "unsuspecting beast". Not too much power consumption, good performance. It really is a good card. Like pitabred said, the GTX is a massive powerhog. The Envy can actually achieve 3 hours of battery life and NEVER gets hot with the i5 model. Check the owners lounge. They overclocked that thing to the limit and never above 72, and its rated to run at 100 plus continuously. 5830 wins

 

ziddy what are you smoking dude? share

Your 5870 is nto even close to 2 260ms in sli. get real

i dont know exactly how high bioshoock runs but it runs high around 100 maxed. and yea crysis is getting 20fps maxed so what!

how about you post a picture of a benchmark that i could compare your 5870 to my 260m so you could see the differance is very very tiny, like your ????

 

the 5870 highly overclocked (very highly overclocked) will hit the 260m gtx sli stocked.

 

I don't have anything to compare my 5830 (ENVY15) against but here's so numbers that I've been able to achieve with my laptop. The processor is an i5 430M by the way.

Stock Speed:

3DMark 06 - 7852
Vantage GPU - 4431
Resident Evil 5 DX10 (1920x1080, All high, No AA/AF) - 32.6fps
Stalker COP DX11 - (1920x1080, All medium, No AA/AF) - 32.3, 30.6, 33.3, 21.3fps in each of the 4 respective weather conditions.

Overclock (590/1185)

3DMark 06 - 10010
Vantage GPU - 5947


I didn't have time to run the game benchmarks with the overclocks tonight but will add them if the OP wants me too! These scores are with the Catalyst 10.3 beta drivers. Max temps are around 70-72C as the fans kick into high at those temps and the machine cools right back down. In terms of build quality I feel the ENVY is very well built. I'm more impressed with the build quality on this machine than I was with my Sony Vaio SZ680 that I bought a few years back.

 

wow didn't see that coming. vantage gpu score is equal to a 9800m gtx and 260m gtx stock.

overclocked vantage gpu is 280m overclocked. (not maxed overclocked)

 

That's a sexy freaking laptop considering the 15 inch, the thickness and the 1080p screen..

 

thanks for the benches. mind showing some screens or videos
would be great if you could run the game benchmarks.
i am leaning towards the Envy due to the size difference

 

With all due respect, I already got the message that you had both systems. What I wanted was a proper sharing of information on the kind of tests you did and performed to come to such a conclusion.

For example:
Running an outdated source-engine game at 1280x1024 on both cards--yielding same results--tells me very little. As some have already acknowledged. The moment we push that resolution to 1920x1200, the performances are going to be in two different leagues. That's just what the numbers are saying. So if you have evidence to the contrary, please share details because I am open to the idea, but with ample proof. As of right now, the notion of a 128-bit card with GDDR3 RAM matching a 256-bit card with GDDR3 RAM at resolutions of 1680x1050p, or 1920x1080p, sounds logically challenged. I hope you understand why I'd like some detail.

 

Yes, Don, but keep in mind: Stock resolutions, and vantage, which are all win for a card of this shader power. The result doesn't surprise me -at all-, and it's good. Our benchmarks are run at lower resolutions. Do we play Ninja Blade, for example, at 1280x1024? Some of us might, and it ain't bad.

It's a matter of what kind of games and resolutions the topic-creator is looking to employ. I don't deny that in terms of FLOPs the 5830 at a lower resolution will clearly match, and perhaps even beat the 260m. Just look at the sheer shader count and efficiency of the card. But, if you want the same performance gain/edge at a higher resolution. . . IF. . . 128-bit+GDDR3 is not going to make that happen.