860m is a Beast

With the Maxwell chips, it doesn't seem that cooling is the concern, it's more voltage. You will need to pump in more voltage to get higher clocks. So far most games running stock clocks are like 68C and less. OC I'm getting about 73C or less.

 

Inside a tiny 13" notebook...

 

Do I need to worry about grabbing a Kepler chip instead of a maxwell while buying my next Asus G750 or are they all released with maxwell chips from now on?

 

ASUS 860m is Maxwell iirc, 870m and 880m are Kepler.

 

If it's MXM it's definitely Kepler, but if it's soldered then it's likely Maxwell but could still be Kepler.

 

You're right on the GPU front.. but my CPU temps on the G750 are horrible compared to the N550JK.. It's also apparently that under 100% cpu load it can only hold 3000mhz and Throttlestop isn't working either where as it worked fine on the N550JK.. I could get it to hold 3.3ghz on all 4 cores under 100% load.

 

That's weird , my g750 has never throttled on the cpu and stays very cool , during benchmarks the cores never break 78c. I also used Intel xtu and clocked it to run 3.4 at 100 percent load and 3.6 single thread , maybe you have a faulty paste job

 

Asus BIOS 204




VBIOS

 

would you like to take this to the Asus gaming laptops forum as many of us would like to investigate this further. This is SHOCKING news to me. I am sorry you are experiencing this but I hope it is just a unit that you should replace.

HaloGod2012, did you customize your G750 before buying it? Especially requesting the branded thermal paste feature that some online retailers provide?

 

Yeah the CPU is also idling at a constant 15% on a fresh Win8 install (same exact setup as the N550JK). The N550JK runs so much colder, and holds higher clocks so far. I dont understand but will post some screenshots soon. I dont think it's faulty per se as a paste job if i'm just seeing more wattage being held against the CPU in Throttlestop. My N550JK is drawing 1.3watts right now completely idle.. and G750JM is 15-16watts right now doing nothing.

 

Looking forward to it

 

Quick question could this GPU be good on 120hz monitor or 144hz monitor.

 

What i'll tell you so far is that the 860m is on another level when you factor in GDDR5 against the GDDR3 version of the 850m.. It's really no contest in terms of raw power.. even though the GPU cores are pretty much identically clocked in both Asus machines.

 

So interesting findings about the G750JM vs N550JK.. The CPU may run hotter but it's significantly faster in my tests.. To the tune of 40% faster..

You're thinking, oh your power settings aren't the same. well they are! All drivers are up to date, and in fact most drivers are identical between both units.

I see that the G750 can hold more wattage against the CPU than the N550.. This is causing more heat but i'm getting a lot more raw performance even though the actual MHZ (speed) shows the same as the N550.. I dont understand it but when I create identical environments and test setups on both machines, the G750 is finishing the benches about 40% faster.

So I ran a few more benchmarks and the G750 is still much faster in raw CPU performance. Both machines are 4700HQs.

 

yeah that what makes me lean more towards Sager/Clevo with gtx860m gddr5 in it.... I really like that n550jk but cmon, ddr3 in pair with gtx850 is just a mockery! Is there a version of n550jk with gddr5?

 

Why not look at the Asus G750? Perhaps cheaper than the Sager options.. Although I do like that 13.3" Sager with 860m.. so much power inside that footprint.

 

It's out of my budget. If I were in USA I'd buy it, but in UK it costs 1400 british pounds and AFAIK it's not even being sold in Denmark.
It's only 1299$ on Amazon USA!

 

It was also on sale for 1249.99 when I bought it.. Well I hope you can find a good deal!

 

you almost scared me with your first CPU impressions, Diversion.

 

Ha.. well, I can't figure out how or why the G750 cpu is that much faster but it is.. I even freshly installed Windows 8.1 on the N550 without any drivers running to see if they were somehow hurting performance but same results.. slower CPU performance.. The interesting part is that temps on the N550 were idling around 55C without drivers.. then down to high 29c, low 30s Celcius with drivers... Seems the intel motherboard/MEI drivers help keep the CPU cool but nothing was changing or helping the performance.

The G750 is the same way, runs hotter without the Intel drivers and cooler after. but still super fast both ways.

G750 is still running hotter than the N550 as far as CPU temps but i'm okay with that since its that much faster. I wonder if it has to do with the newer Thunderbolt motherboard in the G750 versus the 2013 motherboard in the N550.. There could be a much faster Northbridge on the G750 mobo.

 

Meant to reply to this... thanks.. I'm sure it'll help someone.. how did you get this or get it to dump? Isn't the entire vbios integrated into the system bios? So someone would have to flash the entire system bios after this was modded. Unfortunately i'm returning the 850m machine and i'm keeping the 860m one.

Now im just waiting for the 860m modded vbios so I can start having fun like the OP!

 

Could you guys please list all Maxwell GTX860M Notebooks...right now I have done the mods for Clevo W230SS & W3xxSS, Asus G750JM & MSI GE60 2PE Apache Pro...

Anyone here with a Razer Blade 2014 or Lenovo Y50 with 860M Maxwell?

 

I don't own any, but the gigabyte p34g v2 also has the 860m Maxwell

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Sorry if this is off topic but does anyone know if desktop gtx 750 ti can be similarly overvolted for big performance gains? I've seen a few posts on mining websites about using Kepler BIOS tweaker to up the TDP but that's it. Thanks

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Yes but it's very easy to extract from the UEFI if you have some understanding of it. Modifying and successfully integrating it is the harder part but thankfully there's some guys that can do this providing people are willing to show some appreciation for the time they put into it.

AFAIK in this case it should be possible to load a modified vbios after post and before the OS such is the flexibility of UEFI so maybe not necessary for a BIOS mod unless looking for something more permanent.

Some nice results with the 860m. Maybe with Intel's own iGD likely to take on more and more execution units as power densities increase with die shrinkage this will offer some incentive for even better discrete mobile gpu's

On another note if you really want to test your CPU limitation run Linx with linpack AVX2. HT disabled or select number of threads equal to core number and set Linx affinity to one core per thread and 3 runs of problem size 20000. If you run throttlestop at the same time it will give a good indication of power and/or temperature throttling as well as being able to undervolt and in some cases unlock extra turbo bins.

 

3DMark - test your graphics card with the gamer's benchmark
3DMark - test your graphics card with the gamer's benchmark

Can anyone PLEASE explain this? why should I spend 1500 euro on an msi dominator if I can just pay 1050 euro on a 860m schenker that's apparently just as good and more power efficient?

 

Those top 860M scores are running SLI cards (2 cards working together) which require a large machine.

 

Adjust it to single card only. It's still 4700 and slowly down on par with single 870m

Besides, 870m SLIs are also available from sites like xoticPC, so even if it were the case there should be 870ms that have 25-30% higher scores, if the card actually performed better.

 

It uses Kepler.

 

not according to it's vbios

 

P34g v2 is maxwell, p35g v2 is kepler.

 

@ Prema:

Hi Prema, where can i find your vbios for the MSI GE60 Apache Pro?

Thanks for your work .

 

Returned the Asus N550JK.. keeping the G750JM.. At completely stock clocks, the 860m smokes the pants off a +135/+199 overclocked 850m. Seeing both GPU cores are essentially clocked the same and are identical in terms of power, it seems the difference of GDDR5 is hugely better compared to the DDR3 on the 850m. I'm seeing a straight 20-30% more performance in demanding games.

Point being, if you care enough about gaming, make sure you're rocking GDDR5.

 

Oops sorry. Keep on getting the models mixed up.

 

damn you guys got very impressive scores with your 860m.

Here my crappy results in an AW17: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 860M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4700MQ,Alienware 04WT2G

Benched with 337.50 beta. I know it's a kepler but the difference shouldn't be that high oO

 

I have a gigabyte P34GV2 with the 860m Maxwell. I'd be happy to help test.

 

Agreed with topic title.

I have a desktop with GTX780s in SLI... but I haven't used it in 3 weeks (since I got my P34Gv2 with an 860M).

It's so damn convenient. I just sit in bed playing Dark Souls II till the early hours of the morning. Sometimes I plug it into the 60" TV for Assassin's Creed 4 or other controller based games.

Definitely my best laptop purchase in the past 10 years (there have been 12)

 

r u mayde of monies?

 

I also have a 780ti sli desktop and it was a tossup between a thin and light or the aw 18 with sli 880m. I just got the aw tho. Maybe next release.

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Now just give me the other Maxwell`s GM206 and GM204 and I will be happy too!

 

These overclocks are amazing lads! I want to overclock mine but I can't find a vBIOS for my system, I guess there isn't any

I have the Schenker XMG A504 - Clevo W355SS
Does anyone know of any vBIOS for this?

 

Patience. Prema should have one out very soon.

 

D'you guys think the G750JM is worth the extra $250 over the base model of the Y50, just because of the better cooling architecture and overclocking potential?

 

Yes, also build quality is extremely superior.

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Also greatly depends on what size machine you want/need... the G750 is BIG! That's either good or bad depending on your perspective

 

nvidia Inspector or MSI Afterburner for GPU
Intel Extreme Tuning Utility for CPU

 

Why do you think the difference shouldn't be that high? The Maxwell core is all new and a lot better? See my sig where a 850m can easily beat most Kepler cards except for maybe a 770m.

 

I was able to get Best Buy to match online retailers on the G750JM.. I got them to do $1100 before tax.. Incredible deal.. I won't mention online retailers, etc.. But search around and compare prices and approach the Best Buy customer service desk and ask them to price match, you may or may not have good luck depending on the Best Buy.. it took a bit of coaxing the BB manager to do it though but well worth it, the G750JM at my price is an incredibly powerful machine.. It's my new favorite purchase in a long time + 860m is such a powerful card for the money.

 

Sure is BIG but it's built really really well.. I am very impressed with the soft touch finish and overall build quality.. If I could change anything, the keyboard flexes a little bit but not too bad. Sound quality is nice but it could be improved some as well.

 

Would anybody here have an opinion on overclocking the lower Maxwells? Im thinking about the GT840M in the Asus ux32ln.