860m is a Beast

I'd expect equally same good results in OCing any Maxwell GPUs..

It's easy for a 850m to get to stock 860m levels. But partly because they both have 640 cores, the only difference being memory speeds.

There's 384 cores in the 840m.. and the memory is only 64bit. I'm sure you can squeeze a respectable amount of overclock from the 840m but probably not enough to equal 850m stock performance.

Edit: I would expect a 840m OC'd to reach close to 760m.
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It wont scale as well as the 860M due to slower and narrower ram. You may get close to GT750M GDDR5 speeds.

 

Thanks for the input. Between 750mgddr5 and 760m would be great in small ultrabook.

 

First of all I'm talking about stock performance. The Maxwell core as well as the kepler are sold as 860m therefore as the same product. In this case the stock performance shuld be the same, otherwise Nvidia should have named the Maxwall maybe 865m or something else to show, that this version is faster.

Talking about overclocking abilities is another topic.

 

I don't think nvidia cares enough about the differences to change the naming. In my opinion they are already trying to fly under the radar by having both a kepler and maxwell 860m. Most people won't ever know there is a difference.

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That is a good point. Why didn't they call the Maxwell 865M.
Having the 4GB kepler is basically a good marketing strategy to use up old kepler chip stock. Ignorant consumers are drawn to the higher 4GB vram vs the 2GB vram of the Maxwell.

It is Nvidia's intention to mainly sell as many kepler 860M's as possible to use up stock and maximize profits while using the new Maxwell based chip as a test bed for their next release.

Amazing how these companies try to pull the wool over our eyes in such a blatant way. AMD no better releasing the 7970M 3 times. It is even more amazing they get away with it.

Are we now looking at a 3 year upgrade cycle? Sad...

Now back on topic I wish they would release a Maxwell mxm 3.0 860M card. Then we can do some playing around.

 

I find it shocking how they can get away wih doing that for so long.. jayziz :O

I'm looking forward to Prema releasing a vBIOS for my system ^^ I'm just itching to overclock and see what perfomance gains I can get ^^

ummm, my 860m uses samsung. Is this good enough to overcloc safely? How far could I push it? I'd also love t see a 700mhz boost but I guess that's asking for too much right??

 

If I read correctly Hynix overclocks the best. Asus seems to use this memory which could be rated for 3000mhz!

This is what is enabling this chip to compete directly with the 780M and 880M GTX.

 

The first 28nm GPU from AMD was announced in December 2011. 2.5 years have no passed and we are still on the same architecture.
Nvida atleast pushed out a vastly more efficient architecture 2 years after their first Kepler. Even though its still on 28nm, its great they came out with something new. Like I have said earlier, I wouldn`t mind buying a high end Maxwell in 28nm if Nvidia is forced to stay on 28nm due to TSMC incapability to keep up. Still feel a bit let down if I wouldnt be able to buy the chip what-should-have-been but it what it is.

The reason why it seems to take longer and longer between each node and architecture jump is sadly because both of the graphic cards makers are foundry-less. They all rely on TSMC, which also happens to be the biggest producer for a ton of other companies, small and big, that also wants some of the wafer production on the node TSMC is able to produce.
The ideal would be if Nvidia had their own foundry but the massive cost and investments risk involved in that, is probably enough to scare them from even thinking about it. Intel is in a great position and they are able to push out new chips every single year. That be new architecture or just bumping down a node. But even they had to post pone Broadwell atleast half a year. We are talking the company with the most advanced foundry in the industry. The company that invented FinFET years ago, a technique TSMC is just beginning to learn and use now.

That Intel have trouble with 14nm doesnt actually bode well for future releases from Nvidia and AMD.
I`ve read a bit about the lasers TSMC now use to make the chips at must be replaced soon because the laser beam is too big and the alternatives are not easy to get hold of. There is one company that might able to give them the new EUV laser needed, but it blew up during their last test at TSMC because the laser beam was misaligned.
Intel don`t think its a feasable technique and wants to find other alternatives for 10nm and below so I think the future architectures and releases from AMD, Intel and Nvidia will be much far apart due to the difficulties with everything being so small.

We are long overdue to start using graphene instead of silicon, but the research seems to take a veeeeery long time. But we will eventually get there, and when we do, things will maybe kick up a notch or two.

 

860m is a beast, yeah, but what about Gigabyte or MSI cooling system?

Overclocking them with an unlocked vbios would be absolutely crazy.

Full cpu power and gpu with +135 and +400 = GPU throttling

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Welps, I moved on from the 850m to the 860m.. and then I came across a brand new G750JH (256gb raid0 SSD + 780m + 24gb RAM) model G750 for the same cost as my current 860M G750.

Of course i'd rather have the 780M powered G750 over the 860m powered one.. But was surprised to see Asus actually two different chassis for the G750. The 780M chassis is quite a bit thicker (more breathing room) than the 860m machine.. The bottom of the chassis is what's much different..

Another interesting thing to note is that the 780M powered G750 doesn't have optimus.. The 780M is the only video card running all the time.. I am sure this laptop sucks a lot more wattage idling than the Optimus G750s.. It's odd to see Asus making this machine a pure performance machine, it has no regard to battery life. Although maybe all 7XXM powered machines in '13 from Asus didn't have Optimus.. Can someone confirm?

Edit: After reading a few reviews, even the 765M version of the G750 has no optimus. I prefer this honestly, switching graphics was causing me nothing but problems with a lot of titles.

 

Diversion, you seem to have all the luck with finding great deals. Do you mind sharing some of your secrets?

 

I'm still looking for that deal for you, Kynewulf. For me, I don't normally have this much luck.. I browse Craigslist often for good deals and I found a fellow who bought two brand new G750JH's with 256ssd/24gb ram/780m's for his new business (I was skeptical at first but I met him at his business in a shopping center and it checked out). These are valued brand new at 2299.99 (checked on Amazon and Tigerdirect). He had an employee who was in charge of ordering new machines for the business and that guy ordered these because he was obviously trying to get gaming machines when the owner clearly didn't want to spend this amount of money. He fired that guy and was out of his return window to return to Tigerdirect. He originally wanted 1799.99 for these each, which still isn't a horrible deal.. Saving you hundreds on a brand new machine. These were opened but I could tell never was even used much, the original Asus setup was still prompting when you turn them on. Anyways, he was desperate to get rid of them and I talked him down to 1250 for one.. This lines up after tax with what I paid for my Bestbuy G750JM. So good score, he still has the second one for sale bro! You should seriously come get it. Or I can get it for you and ship it to you. He would take the same deal for the second from me I am sure of that.

 

To be honest, i'm not impressed with MSI/Gigabytes cooling sytem chassis.. I think they are all too much show. The Asus G750 series to me is the quietest and coolest running system i've experienced.. And their prices for at least the 860m model is fair. The prices on 870m/880m are are a bit on the high end when you could get a Sager/Clevo for cheaper. I had a previous Sager with 680M and it was noisier but temps seemed to be fair.

 

It is imposible to find those G750 below 2200 USD here in Spain so they are in another league...

 

Perhaps someone in the USA would help you ship a USDM JM model over to you.. They are only 1299.99 USD + tax.. About 1366USD total. Plus shipping, about $20-30 USD to Spain. As long as you're okay with a USA keyboard.

 

Yeah, it would be great. But I already own a toasty Apache Pro

 

Bro, I would be interested in that G750, where do you live?

 

That's an amazing deal! Can you get it for me and/or tell him to hold it? I found the listing on Craigslist but it's expired already. We can arrange payment details over email/private message.

 

Hi guys, is someone working on an modded vbios for the 860m Kepler variant.?
Unfortunately I bought a 860m Kepler system (MSI gs60) .

 

well guys FYI i returned my asus g750 with the 860m and just bought an alienware 18 with 770m sli for only 1100 bucks local here from someone, couldn't pass the deal. Glad to see this thread took off!

 

Sounds like me haha.. I came across a steal for a 780m G750JH and returned the G750JM

I will continue to recommend the G750Jm all day long though, great machine for the money.

 

I would head over to TechInferno and ask someone nicely to look at your bios after you dump it and see if someone can do the basics like unlocking the voltage/clocks so you can at least start playing with it.

 

I've ran Hitman absolution, tomb raider, and splinter cell and they all run great on my laptop actually.

Now I wish Asus would make a 14 inch laptop like the G46 and put a 860m in there. That is something I'd be interested in.

 

Welcome to the club, my 18 is on order right now

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Do you LAN because the 18 is more of a desktop and I thought you said you had a desktop?


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Nope I'm a software engineer and needed desktop power for the development I do on the go, and some gaming of course. The only time I have to use the desktop is the weekend

 

I am indecisive between the MSI gs70 with 860m or Asus g750 with 870m. I know 870m is stronger but I don't play the latest games so 860m would be enough for me and I really dig it's lower power consumption, however I'm afraid I'd still regret it later down the road when perhaps an awsome new game would come out and notice my 860m is not able to handle it.

 

Always, and I mean always, go for the best GPU you can afford at the time of purchase. Asus uses custom mxm cards( in the case for the 870m, since the 860m is integrated) and you cannot upgrade like in other gaming laptops.

 

That's why I always max out my GPUs (even with upgradeable ones)

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in your case and mine, though, we have full upgrade-ability in the AW18. Cant wait for the maxwell 970/980m's, will be a nice upgrade in my 18

 

lol the exact notebook as I got
Hope it treats you well

 

It's all about preference. Buy a $1200 laptop with a mid-high end GPU like an 860m, sell it for $800 in 12-18 months, and then buy another one for $1200. Or buy an Alienware for $3500, and replace the video card every 12-18 months for $500-800.

 

I'm pretty sure even an 860m will last more than 18 months as long as your okay with playing on medium settings in games

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Well that kinda sucks as I was hoping that a 860m would play at 1080p high settings with games like rome total war 2, and far cry 3. Do I really need to get the 870m then?

 

Im saying for games released 18 months later. Those games will likely run fine on 860m since they are current.

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Are all 860m cards Maxwell? If there aren't, is there any way to check before purchase what you are getting?

 

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Cards in Alienware 17 have 2gb ram but are kepler mxm versions are likely kepler, soldered are maxwell.

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I am very interested to the response to this. I am looking at a new clevo and reading this thread makes me reconsider getting the 860m then upgrading.

Dunno if you have seen this: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html

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I made my decision also whit this page. Searching for games which I'm actually playing and looking at the results. Depending on your needs, the 860m can be a quiet good choice

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Yeah im just torn because I love the total war games... leaning toward an upgrade to 870 now. 880 just seems so expensive though!

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Keep in mind that ultra means for nbc fullhd with max details AND 4xmsaa. The last one is imho not necessary for a 17" notebook. Without msaa you will get a performance boost in any case.

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False. Vram is not an indicator of what chip it is

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Only way I found on xoticpc was to look at a laptop then click tech specs, the far right tab by features, etc. It lists the chip in brackets just under the graphics card.

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Hello guys, I am looking to buy a laptop and I am struggling to decide if I should buy the G750JM and overclock the GPU or pay 350 Euros more and get the G750JZ. How does an overclocked G750JM perform against G750JZ, gaming performance wise but also thermal and acoustics?

Thank you.

 

JZ is way more powerful than the JM and with ASUS G750 the thermals are always good

 

What about JM vs. J.S?
Where I live, the price difference is quite low (~80 Euros).
As far as I know JZ has a different chasis, has a better cooling system but JM and J.S share the same chassis, and here is the questionable part
Same chasis, same cooling, JM has 45W TDP GPU that is very overclockable while J.S has 100W TDP GPU that probably won't overclock too well.

 

Is the 860m any good at overclocking?

 

Did you check out the enite thread? lol, yes the maxwell 860m is an overclocking monster once unlocked