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    860m is a Beast

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by HaloGod2012, Apr 29, 2014.

  1. mardon

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    I'm very impressed. I've got a Gs60 pro. Due to the form factor I've undervolted rathe than over volted to get temps down and my best fire strike graphics score is around 5100 with - 65mV. Is everyone getting over 5k firestrike graphics scores?
     
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    If my gtx 860m starts showing green artifacts with more than +135/480 core/memory clocks, it means that I won't be able to push higher even if I flash a new vbios?

    I think my GE60 can easily handle higher clocks due to my low temps without the bottom cover. It runs about 15° cooler than before, I'm doing this just for hardcore gaming.

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  3. HaloGod2012

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    it could very well be that it need more voltage, which can be done with a modded vbios. Always find the highest core clock first, then adjust memory after. Memory clocks will affect the core clock stability.
     
  4. tiner

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    With the stock one I can't go higher in the core (+135) so that's why I was pushing my memory higher.

    I really don't know how to flash a vbios yet but I'll figure out soon!!

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    And how does it compare to the 770m and 870m regarding overclock capacity?
     
  8. HaloGod2012

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    Maxwell is better in that it is much cooler and can handle voltage well. It also doesnt need as many "cores" as kepler to be fast. The 860m has less cores than then 770m but it performs the same if not better.
     
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    Hi there m8s, I got a MSI GE60 with a gtx 860m.
    Well i saw all post on this threat and i got confused. Can I get mine OC? I mean, i saw your values and i compared to my clocks. I got bigger clock!?!?!
    My values (in the pic) are untouched.
    Can anyone give me some tips? Thank you in advance (;

    oc.jpg
     
  10. HTWingNut

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    Just click "Show Overclocking" and move the sliders...
     
  11. MiG123

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    anyway to get OC settings to set at boot? tried the usual scheduling of shortcut at boot but it doesn't stick. might have something to do wif optimus as 860m isnt active at boot...
     
  12. mardon

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    Afterburner will do it but it also has the drawback of keeping the nvidia gpu awake constantly.
     
  13. murkiness

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    but why in some cases i see people with a gtx 860m with default 1029/1250MHZ. And i got a default 1020/2505MHZ. I mean 1020 clock is not a big diference comparing to 1029. But 1250mhz to 2505mhz in memory??? Sorry if i cant get there but i'm a newbie in this things.

    Cheers! (;
     
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    Nice to see the 860M making waves!
    Not sure if I would say it comes close to a stock 780M though.
    FSX
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3940XM,Alienware M18xR2
    FS
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3940XM,Alienware M18xR2
    No tweaking/ No nvidia changes/No system programs stopped/No enhancements/No operating system changes
    TS was used to keep cpu locked at 3.7 ghz since this is the cpu max at stock on all 4 cores.
    And the 880M is better....
    So I have to say....something is wrong with the stock 780M scores being used as comparisons for these test.
    (Personal opinion only)
     
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    I agree, it really isn't close to 780m. 870m *stock* performance, sure, but not much beyond that. Still a great performance for such a low wattage GPU.
     
  16. Diversion

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    The wildcard for mid-range is the 860M. Wish I could get a thin and light with 860m. I dont want to carry around my G750 very often.
     
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    GPU vRAM is quad pumped, and depends on how the system reports it. 1250MHz = 2500MHz DDR = 5000MHz QDR (actual "realized" speed)

    So 1250MHz/2500MHz in your example are essentially the same.
     
  18. sasuke256

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    no one tried Watch dogs with the 860M ? It seems to be a GPU eater game :D
     
  19. mardon

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    I doubt it. It's not out yet.
     
  20. CyberTronics

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    Out on torrents already.....
     
  21. mardon

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    Is it.. I got it free with my new laptop so will wait for release. I always buy my Pc games as I want to do my bit keeping the industry healthy.
     
  22. CyberTronics

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    I buy them too, just stated the fact that the game already has been leaked on trackers. ;)
     
  23. chris_laptopfan

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    I hope we ALL agree, that things like these shouldn't be supported!! :mad:
    Still can't understand, why that is often seen as trivial offense and ok to steal computergames, while everyone would clearly agree that it's not ok at all, to go into the next store and do some shop lifting... :confused:
     
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    Yeap everyone here is with you on that.. but the responsibles are also the companies (Ubi EA and so on..) they dont offer games in the MENA zone so people there "have" to use other ways to get games.. They are throwing away a big market which could cover up for piracy in EUR/NA :)
     
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    Aren't they purchasable per download over steam, uplay, origin etc.? :confused:
     
  26. sasuke256

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    I don't want to get too off-topic but no, all of north africa countries cant convert their money to other currencies without a special authorisation given only to buisiness people.
    In order to support Software Developping, people get games/software via friends/family when they travel abroad or who lives in EUR/NA :)
    about the 860M, I think they should 've made the Maxwell version 4 gigs, It's more future proof (mega texture packs ?)
     
  27. Arondel

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    I believe there are 4 GB versions of the Maxwell 860M. Lenovo apparently has it on some of the Y50s.
     
  28. chris_laptopfan

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    As far as i know the Gigabyte P34G v2 also has a 4gb 860m. Don't know if it's really beneficial though, as 2gb should be fine for most if not all games/settings. Seems to be more of a marketing thing...
     
  29. XxxKing YBxxX

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    I believe the vram is determined by the manufacturer of the actual laptop...

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
  30. HTWingNut

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    If the game needs 4GB vRAM then the 860m just isn't powerful enough to manage it.
     
  31. chris_laptopfan

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    Which game needs 4GB vRAM?? :confused:
    I'm not a (hardcore) gamer, but if a game gets so demanding that it crosses the border of the 2gb and even needs nearly 4gb, doesn't limit the pure performance of the 860m itself at those levels...??

    EDIT: Doh! Sorry, HT. Didn't read/understand your post correctly. You said exactly, what i replied :D
     
  32. sasuke256

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    I'm just affraid of the new 40Gigs games.. too big textures and low VRAM amount !
     
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    which are those?
     
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    Titanfall & Wolfenstein so far, and they're not the last.
     
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    /offtopic
    Insane. Wolf is 43gigs, why it's so heavy?
     
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    Because MegaTexture.

    CoD Ghosts was 50GB.
     
  37. Undyingghost

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    Ghost is 36Gb and graphics was bad, nothing more than Black ops 2 couple of years ago.
     
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    skyrim mods trolololol
     
  39. alaskajoel

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    I'm jealous of your cooling. Here are the results from the 860m in my Razer Blade Pro.

    Stock GPU: 3857 (4136 GPU)
    Core @ 1029MHz (Boost 1097) / vRAM @ 5000MHz
    Max CPU Temp: 90
    Max GPU Temp: 68

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 860M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4700HQ,Gigabyte Blade

    Max OC on Core: 4152 (4515 GPU)
    Core @ +135 = 1164MHz (Boost 1232) / vRAM @ 5000MHz
    Max CPU Temp: 91
    Max GPU Temp: 74

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 860M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4700HQ,Gigabyte Blade


    Max OC on Core and Stable Memory OC: 4306 (4640 GPU)
    Core @ +135 = 1164MHz (Boost 1232) / vRAM @ +1010 MHz = 6010MHz
    Max CPU Temp: 90
    Max GPU Temp: 75

    Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Unknown,

    The system info check fails with the memory overclock, but it's been BF4 stable for the last several hours.
     
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  40. King of Interns

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    90C on the cpu just by gaming! Seems a little warm!
     
  41. chris_laptopfan

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    Thanks for sharing your results, alaskajoel :)
    But why are you jealous regarding your temps?? Max 75°C with OC are actually pretty good. Especially considering the slim chassis... ;)

    As i saw your Memory OC i thought "WHAT THE F*CK??!!" :D +1 GHz??!!
    How can it be that there are so extremely huge differences in OC potential, that you can pass the 1k where others are struggling at 400 MHz (which also seem to me are very great numbers though)... :confused: Is in the Razer Blade Pro so much better vRAM than in other books or can someone explain these huge differences in OCing?

    alaskajoel, if you don't mind, could you maybe lower your Memory OC to around +400 or so to get a wider representation of the OCed 860m Maxwell in general and test some games for 'real world improvements' and comparison to a 870m?
    The user 'mardon' posted his results with a very slightly OCed 870m in his GS60 for comparison:

    @ mardon: You said, you would re-test them again, as Hitman shouldn't get such a high frame rate if really 'maxed out' and wanted to post the screenshots of your gamebenchmarks with min, max and avg fps.
    Did you have time for that meanwhile? Maybe we could get this comparison between 870m vs 860m started in this thread...
     
  42. mardon

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    Sorry mate I've been busy repasting and playing watch dogs. I've got the batman aa goy as well now so will defo get round to the benchmarks. Especially since I have lowered my temps some more ;-)
     
  43. chris_laptopfan

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    Not a problem, mardon ;)
    Thanks for sharing your experiences and results with us at all :)
    If you have a bit time, then it would be great if you re-test them for a basis of comparision with the (hopefully) coming results of OCed 860ms.

    Glad, that you got some temp improvements from repasting. :thumbsup:
    What are your new temps in comparision to before repasting? (If you have posted that already, just give me the link to your post. thanks)

    To be honest i had to google the word 'goy' as i'm not a native speaker and the results i found didn't really match on this topic as well as on the batman game... :D
    Am i right, that it's a typo and you meant 'goty' (game of the year)?
    Sorry, just asking as i was a bit confused... :p :D
     
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    Not for Haswell. For 3DMark benchmark perhaps, but for gaming it's not uncommon.
     
  45. mardon

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    Sorry yes that should read game of the year.

    My repaste results..

    Metro LL max settings no physx
    Stock -75mv Vbios x4 runs 88c
    Repaste -75mv Vbios x4 runs 84c
    Repaste -65mv vbios, +26core +550mem x4 runs 86c
     
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    Wow what are the temps in prime 95 :eek:



    Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk
     
  47. alaskajoel

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    CPU heats up quick, but I haven't seen it go over 95 yet while gaming. GPU hit 79 while playing 64player BF4 Gulf of Oman, but it was still hitting boost clocks of 1232.

    I'll benchmark again with a lower mem OC. I tried to use GPU-Z to see who the vendor was on the Razer's vRam, but it didn't say anything.

    I've been using fraps to gather some data on FPS in BF4, but I've kept having these odd drops into the high 30s while playing. I have the laptop connected to 4 external monitors (one via HDMI, other three via displaylink USB3). Finally traced it down to my automatic desktop wallpaper changing every 3 minutes. Every time it changed, the FPS had about a 300ms drop into the high 30s, and then would return to normal. Disabled the wallpaper, and now it's been 50+ on mostly high settings and low AA.
     
  48. alaskajoel

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    Also, I am in the habit of reporting effective memory speeds with DDR, rather than actual. Effective OC was 6000Mhz, actual is 3000Mhz. (Stock is approximately 2500Mhz actual, 5000 Effective).

    This would mean a +500Mhz actual overclock compared to stock.
     
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    Hi - I've been following this thread for a while, and it definitely looks like the Clevo W230SS has lower OC potential on the memory compared to other similar laptops.

    When I initially received my W230SS, I was able to get to +200 (core), and +400 (effective memory). The laptop would show artifacts if the memory went any higher. The performance increase was still pretty good (Pscore ~6000 3dMark11)

    However, the memory chips seem to overclock a little higher after a vBIOS flash, and now the GTX 860M can go as high as +300 (core), and +700 (effective memory). The 3dMark 11 Pscore was ~6300 at those settings. Folks with other laptops seem to be easily hitting 1000+ with their memory.
     
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