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    860m is a Beast

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by HaloGod2012, Apr 29, 2014.

  1. chris_laptopfan

    chris_laptopfan Notebook Consultant

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    Hi Rowoad,

    for OCing your GPU you need a software like MSI Afterburner (not only for MSI; works with every other brand as well :D ) or Nvidia Inspector.
    By default the vBIOS of your laptop limits the OCing for safety reasons on the core to +135 MHz. On the memory you are unlimited and you have to test it out.

    At my test scenarios (Tomb Raider, Unigine Valley, skyrim; everything at 1080p) a OC of +135 MHz core and +300 MHz on the memory, which coming to your question i would consider as a safe basic OC, leads to a fps plus of ~ 10%.

    If you wanna go further you soon will need to raise the voltage for your GPU to handle even higher clocks. With overvolting you should be quite careful though!
    In addition to that you would need a modified vBIOS for your machine, which deactivates the 135 MHz limitation as well as enables overvolting.
    The improvements you could get from that further OCing are maybe another +10%. If it's worth it, your decision.
    In that case you should ask some experts around here. As far as i read here already there is a user 'svl7' in the techinferno forum or the user 'Prema', who AFAIK more concentrates on clevo BIOS mods.

    Hope this helps a bit. :)
     
    chris_laptopfan, Aug 21, 2014
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  2. Rowoad

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    Wahoo! Thank you so much for such a detailed reply Chris!

    I will give it a try tomorrow and let you know my results. Without OC, I get 4989 on 3d mark 11 with the basic benchmark (free version). I'm curious to find out how much the OC can improve these figures (and especially FPS in-game).

    Depending on that, l'll decide whether to mess with voltages or not.

    Thanks again for your help.
     
    Rowoad, Aug 21, 2014
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  3. benibi

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    A question :

    Will the 860m Maxwell be compatible with DirectX 12 in the future ?

    Edit : A response :

    Yes. From the Geforce 400/400m to the last ones.

    "NVIDIA will support the DX12 API on all the DX11-class GPUs it has shipped; these belong to the Fermi, Kepler and Maxwell architectural families"

    Source : http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/03/20/directx-12/
     
    benibi, Aug 26, 2014
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    I'd also like to know if some hacker will make it so Windows 7 can have DX 12.0 too?
     
    KillWonder, Aug 27, 2014
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  5. benibi

    benibi Notebook Guru

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    Look, I'm on Windows 8.1. I tweaked it. No metro, no charm bar etc....

    Switch to 8.1 now and dont stay on W7, live with your time and adapt yourself

    Sans titre 1.jpg
     
    benibi, Aug 28, 2014
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  6. mardon

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    A bit of tweaking and startisback and windows 8.1 is totally fine.
     
    mardon, Aug 28, 2014
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    oh - what is this Program in Crack Windows folder? :)
     
    AndiiiHD, Aug 28, 2014
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    KMSmicro 5.0.1
     
    benibi, Aug 28, 2014
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    Hi there, I'm facing with a weird issue! Anytime I plug-in an headset in my laptop (W230SS) all my overclock settings I've previously made with Nvidia Inspector, suddenly disappear and the only way I have to get the nvidia card fully working again, is restart my machine, otherwise only the intel one is working.

    W230SS
    OS win 8.1
    SB Cinema installed

    I'm the only one with this issue? There's some interaction between the audio card and the video card?

    Thanks
     
    infinityz, Sep 1, 2014
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    Guys I just got an Alienware 17 with this 860m too as well as an i7 4710 and 8 gigs of ram. I'm only getting 2900 on the gpu score in Firestrike...seems way too low no? Any ideas?
     
    Soho11, Sep 4, 2014
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  12. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    Its the Kepler version.
     
    Karamazovmm, Sep 4, 2014
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    anyway I can get a list of steps involved with getting this 860m overclocked? I myself am getting the sager NP7358. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance.
     
    Mantis187, Sep 5, 2014
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  14. Mantis187

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    also has anyone tried over clocking the 860m on a sager NP7358? seems like all the overclocks are different depending on the laptop brand.
     
    Mantis187, Sep 5, 2014
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    All overclocks are different period. There's no guarantee or consistency in any of them.
     
    HTWingNut, Sep 5, 2014
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    In the bios, when I activate ASPM L1, l0s/l1 or auto on my dGPU (860m), my computer crashs at startup (impossible to move the mouse). When I activate just l0s (both root and endpoint) it doesnt crash at startup but it does when I open a game like DayZ

    Is it normal ?

    I’ve also activated l1/l0s on each pci express ports (previously it was on "auto") Is it good ?
     
    benibi, Sep 5, 2014
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    Just ran it on my Gigabyte P35G v2 and got 3495 ... don't know if that's typical of an 860M or not ... but mine is also the Kepler version ...

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 860M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4710HQ,GIGABYTE P35V2

    ...

    ??
     
    s1rrah, Sep 5, 2014
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    s1rrah, Sep 5, 2014
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  21. Mantis187

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    are you guys using nvinspector to overclock your 860m? or something else
     
    Mantis187, Sep 5, 2014
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    That's strange. I didn't know there a 4 gb and a 2 gb version of the 860.I guess that explains the difference in score.It's an Alienware 17
     
    Soho11, Sep 5, 2014
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    nothing for me
     
    Soho11, Sep 5, 2014
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    Mantis187, Sep 5, 2014
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    new post below
     
    Soho11, Sep 5, 2014
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  26. Mantis187

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    yours is a Kepler, certain companies add more vram to their cards as like a bonus. the maxwells are still kinda new and haven't seen any companies adding xtra vram to them as of yet
     
    Mantis187, Sep 5, 2014
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  27. octiceps

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    The Lenovo Y50 and Y70 have 4GB Maxwell 860M as do others.
     
    octiceps, Sep 5, 2014
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  28. Soho11

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    This is really strange and bugging me like crazy. I believe I have an 860m maxwell,though I don't know for sure. It's a brand new Alienware 17. If you look here-http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-860M-Maxwell-vs-Kepler -it shows the Kepler as having 797 core clock..which is what mine shows -yet mine only has 2 gb of ram,which is the maxwell..what's wrong here? It's driving me crazy that I'm only getting about 2,900 on gpu score and 2728 overall when everyone else is getting much higher
    . http://http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-860M-Maxwell-vs-Kepler.114908.0.html

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 860M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4712MQ,Alienware 04WT2G
     
    Soho11, Sep 5, 2014
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  29. Soho11

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    That would be bad huh? Damn I wish I had known..Is it replaceable or is it soldered to mb?
     
    Soho11, Sep 5, 2014
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  30. octiceps

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    Your 860M is a Kepler for sure as the Alienware 17 only uses MXM (replaceable) GPU's. Maxwell 860M is soldered. The lower clockspeed on yours is also a dead giveaway that it's a Kepler.
     
    octiceps, Sep 5, 2014
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  31. Mantis187

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    but it's also a good thing, you can upgrade ur card anytime you got the doe for the new one. I see them being sold on eBay all the time
     
    Mantis187, Sep 6, 2014
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  32. mardon

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    That's defo too low. Are you 100% it's not an 850m? Try uninstall in the nvidia driver and downloading the latest one. Also ensure that the nvidia gpu is running 3D mark.
     
    mardon, Sep 6, 2014
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  33. Mantis187

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    halo I just picked up my Asus g750 rog, where can I get this moded vbios you got?
     
    Mantis187, Sep 13, 2014
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    installed arconis to image my drive, wasn't working uninstalled it and laptop going through restart loop already. sigh. Well guess it's time to reformat this thing. guess I'll use Asus backtracker and try it that way
     
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    is anyone else having the DRIVER POWER FAILURE ERROR? ive read its something with the Nvidia drivers on these laptops. anyone know a fix for it? or just wait till they release something. also looking for a good temp monitor program if anyone recommends any.
     
    Mantis187, Sep 14, 2014
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  39. mardon

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    My Gs60 did that when the Graphics card died on the motherboard. I could boot up fine with it turned off in the bios. As soon as I turned it back on driver state error.
     
    mardon, Sep 15, 2014
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    seems like alot of people are having the same issue. mine only happens when I close out a game and try to open again. everyone saying it's the driver from GeForce there just waiting on a new one. seems it's been happening since 2 drivers ago
    the laptop runs fine, I know it has to be the driver I'll wait and see. there's a link to revert back to the old driver that works but eh I'd rather not do that.
     
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  41. mardon

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    Mine was definitely hardware related. The new ones come back and I've got no driver issues. Hopefully yours gets sorted, with a new driver release.
     
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    halo what overclocking program did you use? i tried using Nvidia Inspector and it just keeps messing up keeps crashing. need some advice on what it was you did volts mhz and mem. kinda stuck atm. plus when i updated the vbios on the 860m there were some options that were not listed in the readme but i kinda figured it out and got to to work. i can up the mhz and mem past the stock vbios but cant seem to get it to run right
     
    Mantis187, Sep 17, 2014
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    i reverted back to the 332.60 and no more errors so yea its a driver issue. no more problems with the machine. ive just been looking for a overclocking problem to use. i tried nvidia inspector but it seems to just keep freezing. used MSI after burner, pretty much the same. No one has got back to me yet so just going to wait it out see if i can get some input
     
    Mantis187, Sep 17, 2014
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    Did you overclock slowly? Like 10-20MHz at a time and test it? Or just crank it up? You need to tune it into place. Sometimes you just get unlucky and a GPU that won't overclock.

    Start with +100MHz on the core, test it, add another +20MHz on the core, test it, etc etc. Then when done, reset GPU core back to stock and do same with video RAM. When you find the limits, back off it 10MHz or so, and then raise both core and vRAM to that level and test.
     
    HTWingNut, Sep 18, 2014
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  45. Mantis187

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    what about the voltage?
     
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    Get your OC first, then once stable, start to bump up the voltage slowly. It only affects core so only bother with starting with your best stock voltage core overclock, then bump up the core voltage. Use GPU-Z sensors to monitor the voltage because the slider in nVidia Inspector or MSI Afterburner won't accurately show it on the slider. You may have to slide it all the way just to get 0.1V bump.
     
    HTWingNut, Sep 18, 2014
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    Max temps are mid-60c? Wow. My GTX 870M works at 80-87c at demanding games like Crysis 3, Battlefield 4 etc. I hope I can able to upgrade my 870M to Maxwell 970M. It would be awesome.
     
    karasahin, Sep 19, 2014
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  48. mardon

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    If you upgrade the whole motherboard possibly. You can't just change the GPU as it's soldered to the mobo.
     
    mardon, Sep 19, 2014
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    Mine has MXM3.0B slot I believe, not soldered into the motherboard. I use GT70 barebone laptop. So I have faith that I may able to change it unless NVIDIA didn't decide shrink the size of the GPUs like they did to Maxwell GTX 860M. 860M's Kepler version is upgradeable but Maxwell version isn't. I really hope this won't be the case for the GTX 970M and 980M because I don't know how to do upgrade GPUs otherwise.
     
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    Sorry my bad, for some reason I presumed you had a gs70. That's a massive plus on the larger from factor laptops! New GPU's!
     
    mardon, Sep 19, 2014
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