8970m

Seriously dudes. 8970M will be just as craptastic as the 7970M will be. It's not a new architecture for the 8000M, it's the same GCN that 7970M is on with the same lousy driver support.

We already know the 780M will run cooler, more power efficient, less driver issues, Optimus working as it should, drivers compatible with latest Intel drivers, will be able to overclock like a monster and not have to deal with unofficial workarounds that essentially try to break the AMD drivers, and less of a headache.

Skip to 1:10. Blade is AMD Drivers, Vamp being kicked in the nuts, that's me, and other 7970M owners. You really want to get a 8970M and be kicked in the face and then in the nuts so hard you become airborne? And for all the other vamps being punched in the nuts, that's the mid-range GCN owners. We all get kicked, punched and pummeled in the nuts by AMD drivers. Do you enjoy being kicked in the crotch? If so, buy 8970M.


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Zymphad you forget to mention one serious thing, price difference.

If this goes on nvidia will rip you off with GTX780 while HD 8970 users will get same performance for 50% less. Don't be fanboy.

 

Yes I am a fanboy with a 7970M. And 50% less, don't think so. Sager was selling the P150EM Special with 680M for only $1500, I paid $1600 with 7970M. As for same performance? Not even close. Oh and I know the P170EM special with 680M is a cheaper than a AW M17X with 7970M even with the stupid haggling and all the coupons you can find. Speaking of which, don't be a fanboy, since you're the one with the blinds on your glasses, not me.

And I also know someone who upgraded his 680M because at the time, he found a deal that was half the price of a 7970M. So yeah, Nvidia always being touted as so much more expensive, not true, just be a smart and patient shopper.

Either way, I'd rather pay an extra $200 than to be repeatedly and continuously punched in the nuts.

Just a warning to all who may be considering a 8970M, prepare to be kicked and punched in the nuts, this from a 7970M owner and previously 5870M owner. The most hardcore NVidia fanboy who hasn't owned a NVidia in 4 years.

 

Then stop buying AMD products!

Your posts made me laugh with all your nut punching lol

 

If you could tone down a bit on the invective, people might start listening to you instead of tuning you out. You should try it some time.

 

I think Zymphad's posts are meaningful as they offer a personal perspective. Would you prefer it if he deeply regretted getting the 7970M but ended up blowing its trumpet, secretly hoping others would be tricked into the same plight?

 

I'm just amazed that Zymphad has finally seen the light lol. There wasn't a bigger AMD fanboy on NBR than Zymphad 6 months ago, but even he's fed up with AMD's lousy drivers.

 

I`m going with GTX 780M this round. It will have GPU Boost 2.0 with extra boost in clocks. GT750M have specs up to 967MHz but thanks to GPU Boost 2.0 it actually overclocks itself to 1050MHz all the way up to 1100Mhz. Automatically. So unless AMD incorporates something similar, I think GTX 780M will be hard to beat.

 

Hey I am a bigger AMD fanboy that all of you combined! But I don't let my fanboyishm affect me. I lol at their cries. AMD is great, nVidia too, but too overpriced for what it brings.

both still pump out solid GPUs

As long as AMD put something out like HD7870 LE version, they can still compete. 7970m is a great performer, but it was crippled by vendors and nVidia themselves, paying to have little options available. So you have the endure crippled version, or the AMD APU crippled version, etc. I think only Alienware has a working HD7970m single card?

 

A working 7970m? Yes, but the 680m is still better, and I would have bought one if Alienware had not "dropped the ball" with its Nvidia offerings this year.

 

Meh, it's barely better, and if you OC any of them, you are good to go regardless of brand.

680m is better in quite some games. Not for almost twice price. I was going to go with HD7970m but almost no one offers them, and MSI got deals with nVidia and only a single 7970m equipped machine with a crappy APU cpu.

I am just glad I didn't go Sager. It really sucks how both AMD and Sager dropped the ball with Endure and the lack of capability to properly and easily disable it.

 

all about switchable graphics drivers clevo HMs and machines like the P370EM run pretty nicely with the 7970M. same goes for alienwares and their Fn+F7 functionality.

cloudfire being on the green side is no news,hes already been a big supporter of the 580M/680M and now 780M. business as usual

Zymphad has indeed made a 180 degree turn and even tho i probably shouldnt say that, but its actually kinda funny to watch that development in his posts no offense!

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Calmly and reasonably laying out objections to something you don't like is an excellent way to encourage others to avoid it. Yelling, "Bad drivers! (grumble grumble) Kicked in the balls! (grumble grumble)" a dozen times in three posts makes you sound like a crackpot. Perhaps some of you read his posts and are truly swayed, but I read his posts and think he sounds like a fifteen year old who reacts purely on emotion, with no reason or logic guiding his arguments. In other words, he's on the wrong side of the 'Reasonable Objector --------- Whiny Kid' spectrum.

 

Since when was 7970M craptastic? Without it there would have only been a "craptastic" 675MX on the market not the actual 680M that you green boys run now. Besides enduro is a choice you have. Simply don:t put it in a machine with switchable graphics.

 

Wait, wut? The 675MX didn't come out until late October, over 4 months after the 680m released.

 

My guess is he's either misnaming the 675M, or suggesting that the 680M was released in response to the dominance of the 7970M when it was released, since it was quite a bit faster than the rumored 680M design was supposed to be.

 

yup, he meant the latter the first leaked results of the 680m were on par with the later released 675mx

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Enduro isn't even a major issue anymore, so idk why ppl are still whining about it. Does it still have issues? Yes, but optimus was also a piece of junk when Nvidia released it, and they never even bothered to rectify it on that generation of cards.
I have yet to run into a game that I have had any major issues with and I have played nearly all of the recent releases, the only exception would be Farcry 3 which BOTH fail at on D11......... Ya I know there are still some utilization issues that are being worked on, but if you are trying to tell me that you can notice a less than ~5% performance hit at 40+fps then I will call you out and say you're an idiot.

I'm likely going to put an 8990 (if it releases) in the next system I buy, why you ask? Because AMD has shown to me that they can not only produce a high quality product, but also support that product at a price that is reasonable. I'm lucky enough to not be constrained by any realistic budget, but that doesn't mean I'm going to spend ~25-50% more on something when there are other options that do the job just as well for far cheaper. If you want to support Nvidia that's your choice, they have great products, but don't try to come in here claiming that the other guys product is "craptastic" because all that does is just show everyone how ignorant you are.

 

Well, most of the advantages of the 680m will not matter for most people who own notebooks without Enduro, but it does run cooler and overclock much better. I might be skewed away from AMD in this regard, though, since my 7970m can't seem to overclock by more than 7% at stock voltage (930 Mhz core).

But I'm derailing the thread.

Side note:

If you're going to type about a topic you have no idea about, you should try to type something reasonable.

 

Did Zymphad say something bad against an AMD made product??? World's going to end!!

 

There was a big mess about the performance difference between GTX 680M and 7970M when they came out. Notebookcheck found that GTX 680M was about 5% ahead of 7970M but their review had flaws which I pointed out very early. Thankfully Anandtech came and tested both GPUs after a few months and discovered that the GTX 680M was actually 15% ahead of 7970M in average.

This time I personally plan to bench and test GTX 680M, 8970M (or 8990M) and GTX 780M to finally put an end to the whole confusion. I will do 3DMark Vantage, 3DMark 11, a lot of games, measure power consumption and temperature, and try to overclock them as best as I can.

 

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When do you expect to have this test done? My assumption is late July like it was last summer of 2012?
I am very anxious and curious to see some real testing done via comparison of these 4 GPUs.
You are right about the NBC testing that was done initially last summer, when they incorrectly stated that the 7970m was equal to, or faster than the 680m in 7 out 10 games tested,
Many (including myself) fell for that, and stupidly bought the 7970m based on that flawed conclusion.
This time, I hope that they get it right, and state what we pretty much already know- that the 780m is going to be significantly faster than the new 8970m from AMD.

How are you going to distinguish between these tests in terms of the CPU's?
Will they be tested on current configurations today, or with the new Haswells out this Summer?

I very much look forward to seeing the results.

 

Hope you plan on redoing the tests every time a new driver comes out, or at least once both manufacturers come out with a mature driver for their new flagship model, since that's always the next objection - "yes, we have comparison tests, but they're from four driver generations ago and things are different now" - and they often are.

 

Bingo! Can anyone say 12.11 Beta(s). Early tests are typically subjected to this flaw along with potential bias, I look forward to your tests Cloud.

 

Why and how do we know this?

And does your font need to be so large?

 

You know I'm getting rather tired of people who continue to perpetuate these stupid fallacies about the 7970 and then proceed to make presumptions about a card we've heard barely anything about. I'm sure we all can point to different review links (such as this one Review Update: Radeon HD 7970M vs. GeForce GTX 680M - NotebookCheck.net Reviews) that sway the performance curve to one side or the other, but guess what, news flash for you, performance usually changes/improves as drivers mature.

If you want to aim your concerns towards other areas that do have legitimate issues that's fine and completely understandable, but making statements that paint the picture of a woefully under-powered card is stupidity at its best.

 

im rather surprised at how firm some opinions here already are, based on one inofficial AMD slide with unknown hardware configuration and a leaked vantage result.

what im not surprised about, however, is this next round of red vs. green warfare with every new gen its the same stuff, business as usual

whatever the case may be in the end concerning performance of the two upcoming topdog mobile gpus, ill be looking forward to reviews from both sites/magazines and users this hardware game is just so addictive

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I plan on benching the upcoming GPUs right after Haswell is released. It will be on that platform and will most likely be done in July. The great uncertainty is what 8970M are and if there ever will be a 8990M. I heard some rumors that the 8990M will be released a month after 8970M, in that case I will bench 8990M instead of 8970M since it will AMDs flagship against GTX 780M which will be Nvidia`s flagship.

I will start out with whatever driver is available at the time I recieve my new notebook, so it will most likely be launch driver vs launch driver. Yes ideally I should redo the test after a few months when the drivers have improved, but thats a very intensive task to do since just to do the review 1 time takes a lot of time and effort. Drivers improve over time from both camps so roughly the results I get will be whats there in 6 months ahead in time.

 

I'm sure a lot of people will appreciate this, I'm just warning that it's not really going to be the last word in many arguments.

 

Prediction:

If 780m launch drivers crush 8970/90m launch drivers, then "but thats a very intensive task to do since just to do the review 1 time takes a lot of time and effort"

If 8970/90m launch drivers crush 780m launch drivers, then "Yes ideally I should redo the test after a few months when the drivers have improved"

Just razzing ya man

Indeed, the fat lady will never be handed the mic

 

PC vs. Mac. Canon vs. Nikon. Republican vs. Democrat. Nvidia vs. AMD is less about the facts and more about brand loyalty.

 

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With my tiny laptop screen, it's just easier on my eyes to read....LOL.

 

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As with what we have seen from initial findings. the 780m (an upclocked 680mx) is quite a bit faster than the 8970m, according to what NBC says, so it goes along with the idea of what their findings are, and I tend to tilt slightly more towards this from a hardware specs perspective of the 780m and 680m in comparison this time around, and I believe them on this.
Their testing has been a little flawed, yes, but the overall rating status in their rank of the GPUs from one to whatever down the line, is still the same, and has not changed.

Yes, there has been many driver issues that we AMD owners are still dealing with to this day, and that is another reason why the bitterness towards the new 8970m.
Our 7970m's are still hung up on faulty and slow coming drivers, and this is painfullly obvious when we see that even the new AMD-based games like Bioshock Infinite, in particular, are not showing their AMD-aided superiority in frame rates like it should be. The 680m is beating the 7970m in FPS on that game by a wide margin, and that should not happen.
The 7970m has still not been "fixed" as of yet via drivers and Enduro issues, and it has already been a year since it has been out.

Just call us those that have been fooled and mislead by AMD's offerings are not impressed with what they have done in the past, and what they have out this year with the 8970m.
Their track record has not given us a lot confidence in them up till now, and I dont' believe that is going to change anytime soon.

 

I`m doing the review for my own curiosity and to nudge future buyers in the right direction. Ultimately its their decision, I`m just providing the unbiased data without much subjective analysis.
Let the people argue, I won`t stop them. Hopefully I contributed things to discuss with my review.

People can argue about future drivers all day long, in the end, its the drivers that is available for me that matters when the review is out for people wanting to buy it then. New drivers are out all the time. If one should argue that company X might catch up with an upcoming driver, you`ll have an endless discussion in your hands.

 

A big asian Clevo reseller which have leaked a lot of benchmarks for pre released GPUs before have revealed 3DMark11 score from the upcoming HD 8970M. Looks like AMD too can deliver this year. :thumbsup:

8970M have been benched on 3DMark11 and it scored P7500!!! It will have a 20-30% better performance over 7970M according to him.

In Win 7 Experience Index under "graphics" it scored 7.9.

Source: Not translated

Two great news today. Awesome

 

Interesting that the test was run with an i7-3610QM. Anyone has a 3DMark11 run with this CPU, for direct comparison?

 

First off I don't want this thread to degrade into a pointless argument about which side is better, but what your saying is just so far off key that it's impossible not to respond. I understand that you may be bitter after dealing with the initial release of the 7970, and if you were playing one of the couple games that were heavily affected by the release drivers then your displeasure is 100% deserved. However, continuing to tout claims of AMD having "faulty and slow" drivers is just plain wrong, especially when you want to use your example where both cards were within 3fps of each other on the 1080p benchmark ( BioShock Infinite Benchmarked - NotebookCheck.net Reviews). Anyway the 7970 shouldn't be beating the 680 in anything regardless as the 680 is just plain more powerful, not by a large amount, but nonetheless faster. Also, the 7970m is not broke, so I'm not sure what you mean by "fixed", but perhaps you meant optimized.......that takes time and usually take place through continuous updates, much like the new betas we see each month.

I think there are very few people who were in any sense of the word "fooled" by AMD's offerings, they advertised a monstrously powerful card to what was available at the time at a very low price.........honestly if you can't be impressed by the improvements AMD has made to both their driver quality and release schedule in just the past 6-months then you're the type of person who is just going to be unhappy with anything that isn't perfect the first time around.

 

I hope your not speaking for everyone, I prefer the "facts"

Hmm on this 20-30% based on 3DMark11 according to him. Pre 12.11Betas I'd say that's right since they were around P5500 which is +27% to 7500. After 12.11Betas they're around P6500 (the power many figured the hardware to have), a 13% increase to P7500. It does seem like a stock 8970m bests a good OC'd 7970m (using mine to compare). If that stays true, then we have the less power thing and how well an 8970m can OC for improvement, or someone wants the power of a 7970m OC'd, but doesn't want to OC. Personally I'm seeing the upgrade less likely for me this round, but ears are to the ground for the info.

In the sig, 3DMark11 scores after 12.11betas, 3DMark score done at launch.

 

Does anyone know if this will be compatible with the m17xr2?

 

Gotta wait till more details come out but I don't see why not

 

Oops sorry I meant m18xr2

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Answer still applies... we don't know whether the new cards will work in our systems. My guess is they will, but there will be issues with running sli/crossfire if the newer cards are over 100w.

 

damn, I didn't do a 3dmark11 since I got the card back (7970m ~ a year ago), I didn't realize it was pulling off stock 6.5k 3dmark11 right now

 

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Let me explain in greater detail to this- AMD still has not completely or entirely "optimized"/ "fixed" / "corrected" or (whatever you want to call it) Enduro yet.
It still is suffering from the exact same issues it was when it started, and AMD has chosen to only "optimize" / "fix" / "correct" it on some games.
They have not said that it was "fixed" at all. They put out some patches for Skyrim and some others, but that is about it on that.
Instead of taking a more holistic approach to the Enduro issue overall, AMD has focused in on some games only, for some reason- why I don't know.
AMD's delays in "fixing" / "optimizing"/ "correcting" Enduro is being talked about like this on other threads on other forums, so it is not just only me that is still concerned with this.

Yeah, we got a less expensive card, so we should expect cheaper results?

I am not entirely laying the blame upon the feet of AMD here for the flawed test results and the subsequent buyer's remorse that we have here. Part of the fault goes with Notebookcheck.com for publishing incorrect test results based on premature findings. It was their testing results that led to many- including myself, that felt that they were saving $300 dollars and getting a BETTER GPU than Nvidia for our laptops. In the end, both parties involved- AMD and Notebookcheck were wrong, and we are customers got less than what we thought we were getting.
All I care about now, is for Enduro to get completely "fixed" / "corrected"/ "optimized" for ALL games, not just one or two of them.

Lastly, as I said, I expected AMD to have THEIR GAME in Bioshock to really dazzle us with a superior-to-Nvidia 680m game play via FPS, but that didn't happen as we all thought that it would. Since Nvidia just came out with newer and better drivers and did so at a very fast rate to out-do AMD and their "own game" so to speak, then I was very surprised at this, and expected AMD to come out with even better drivers to take the lead by a comfortable margin as they should have by now.
They haven't, Nvidia has, and that is very surprising to me.
Nvidia has closed the gap quite a bit on all of the AMD-based games with newer and better drivers very quickly.

Not only that, but NONE of my games sees or recognizes that I even have a 7970m card in the first place. All they see is my HD4000, and that's it.
Those same games DO see my Nvidia 5400m GPU on my travel Laptop, but I still haven't gotten any satisfactory answer from AMD when I asked them about this 6 months ago.
AMD has no answers for this when asked, and their suggestions to look within CCC are a joke, because that has nothing to do with why games only see Nvidia, but not AMD.
Very frustrating.

This is why I say that AMD has essentially dropped the ball on this with my previous comments. I expected more and better from them, but they have failed expectations all the way around.

 

Sounds like someone got burnt with a Clevo 7970m. Always goes to show that research (not just 1 or 2 websites, but wait for user reviews/complaints) and patience wins, Fn+F7 is why AW got my 7970m $ as they picked up whatever ball AMD dropped with Enduro functionality.

I know this does nothing for you now transphasic, but it's a lesson I believe you've learned, sucks these things need to be learned and in this way. I hope the green team never lets you down or you'll be lost.

 

Interesting news:

8970M is available for preorder now at Ebay. Upgrademonkey have 5 listed for pre sale.
Price: $853.
Same price as they take for the 680M. Shipping in 5-20 days!


They didn`t say anything about specifications rather than copy what Notebookcheck have written. Basically an overclocked 7970M. If that is true then the chinese reseller I posted earlier was smoking something really heavy. :/

Ebay page for 8970M

 

I don't yet believe AMD is using a rebrand for the flagship card. That'd be unprecedented.

 

dayum, thats some serious early adopter price premium. but at least that confirms a release date in april/may lets see what its actually got once its out in the open.

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if this is really true, everybody should stay the hell away from 8970m, I got my 7970m exactly 1 year ago for 490 bucks, this is pure BS.

 

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Yeah, it's definitely buyer's remorse for me, and for quite a few others out there that are not AMD fanboys.
I wish that I had waited to see what the Enduro and very poor drivers impact had made, and what owning an AMD was before I bought it.
I had always been an Nvidia guy, but chose AMD this time around due to it's lower and more affordable price in configuring my system on a tight budget.

Well, as the sayings goes- "Buyer beware" and "You live and learn".

From now on, it's back to Nvidia for me, and no looking back.