8970m

My problem is this:

upgrademonkey sell these GPUs:
7970M: $593
8970M: $853
$260 difference

Either they are making money on clueless people who think 8970M will be much better than 7970M, or 8970M really is much better because of the huge difference in price. I`m not sure which theory is the right one

 

Good lord, sounds like price gouging to me... if this were the legit price, imagine what Nvidia will charge for the 780m

 

Guys do you know were can i find drivers from amd to 8800m series?

 

That is sick! The fact that they are still selling the 7970M at $600 shows how wrong their pricing is. It is 1 year old now!

 

this is likely just the premium u have to pay right now in order to be one of the very first ones to call a 8970m your own whatever the actual performance of the card is, that price will definitely not be the regular one
cmon guys, u should know better by now! best example are brandnew ssds or smartphones that were barely introduced to the market. early adopters always pay a premium cuz of the low market availability. the rarer the product, the steeper the price

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Looking at their other offerings, it looks like upgrademonkey charges an arm and a leg for just about any component they sell. Many of them are hard-to-find items by way of not being readily-available outside of a pre-built laptop, so they charge extra to make up for the rarity of their products on the open market. They're probably an excellent and reliable reseller, but not a discount reseller. The actual price of the 8970m will probably be more like half that, though it's always hard to determine the actual price when it's only available as a component in pre-built laptops where pricing either varies from manufacturer to manufacturer or is based on an upgrade price rather than the actual component cost.

 

You're right, they do overcharge, but they've got excellent warranty coverage available and provide good customer support and communication from my limited experience.

 

plus theyve got worldwide shipping locations, thus limiting or even altogether avoiding import tax charges for their customers

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Yeah but $850 for a 680M now??

I would rather pay for a 7970M and tax lol. Would still be cheaper lol

 

Well, if anyone does pick up one of those premium-priced cards, do review the hell out of them yea?

 

Well, my 7970m was 490 bucks and it was the 2nd in Notebookreview.. This is just plain simple taking advantage of kids, not funny..

 

Just a headsup to everyone:

The 8970M they are selling is a MSI GPU. They haven`t had any luck with making it work yet so they are trying to get a vbios for it. Probably because they only have Clevo notebook available.

I asked them about performance and they said "it must be faster than 7970M". So I don`t think they actually know.

 

More efficient and better overclocking is still my guess for both NVIDIA and AMD. If they start selling these around $1,000 a pop, I guarantee you they will not sell as many as they hoped - especially NVIDIA.

 

wait...so theyre selling it for Clevo notebooks even tho theyre MSI cards and they cant get them to work on Clevos yet? that makes sense....

 

I'm sure my MSI machine wouldn't mind ) Still, that does seem really sloppy of them. I was expecting a list of tested machines, bench screens, OC potential, etc.

 

Its probably thats why they are only taking pre orders now for the 5 units they have. It says on the page, shipping in 5-20 days, so I guess thats the time period they expect to have it working for Clevo`s. Not sure why they don`t sell them as MSI cards though.

EDIT: Re-read what I got from them. They say they couldn`t get the GPU to work on ANY of their notebooks. Meaning they probably tried both MSI and Clevo.

Which brings me to think that this GPU can`t be a overclocked 7970M. Shouldn`t both Clevo and MSI reckognize the GPU since they both use 7970M now?

 

its always an issue of the system bios being compatible with the gpu vbios. the slightest tweaks can already jeopardize that compatibility and were left without an option to upgrade currentgen machines. which of course is kinda what the manufacturers want

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I'm pretty sure the AMD "fanboys" that got burnt with the Clevo/Enduro mess have remorse also

Near 2 days later and still 5 available, thankfully people aren't just blind divers on a diving board hearing "JUMP!".

Unless you're one of the ones that want to report, best to wait for the reports.

 

We can't let that happen, eh? This time we are prepared...

 

It might be that AMD redisigned Enduro to work with specific mobo's that support it that's why the guys can't get them running, IMHO

Anyways selling such an expensive piece of unsupported hardware is kinda silly. Will wait and see...

All i DONT'T want for "Christmas" is just another rebrand(

 

Can you provide the link for this pre-order? Would love to see it for myself.

EDIT: NVM, thought you were referring to the actual next model of the clevo with the 8970 is available for pre-order.

 

New AMD HD 8970M GDDR5 for Clevo Upgrademonkey Pre Order | eBay

 

would they even be allowed to publish any info on the 8970m at this point in time? just realized they may be providing nbr and TI forums as the only info sources due to an NDA still being active.

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Bet it would work in the trusty old igpu-less M15x

I ain't gonna be the one reporting it though. At least not at these prices!!

 

dito. first wanna check and see what the performance is like compared to my OCed 7970M. if i can reach nextgen stock performance with my OC ill just wait it out another year and get me a whole new system with broadwell next year

 

I personally wouldn't go for the first batch never know what flaws pop up

 

Personally I want to know if you can flash a 7970m to 8970m!

 

haha, thats the spirit!

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I should get the specifications anytime soon now

 

That's awesome! Bring it on, Cloudfire)

 

can't wait

 

As an AMD enthusiast, I've lost hope in this gen's AMD cards. Reading some articles, the 780m has scored 30% better than the 680m, while the 8790m, is only 7.5%...

 

Let me guess BBoBBo, you read other threads and then commented on this one without reading it.

 

Maybe I spoke too soon. Looks like people are having problems getting the 8970M to work on existing notebooks. Never stopped anyone before so I`m not sure why its taking them so long now

 

it will be possible to use 8970m on our current laptops like HM series in near future?

 

at this point its pure guesswork. id say if the 8970m is still based on GCN we might need another modified vbios to let them run on our hm laptops. but as i said, thats just guesswork right now. lets wait and see

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I read this thread, and the leaked gpuz readings looked like a dream come true. Problem is most of it is speculation. But with the 3dmark11, and msi tests, from these scores, it can be reasoned that the 8970m will have a ~7.5-15% improvement over the 7970m. Hopefully these test were only done when the 8970m was in its very beginning infancy stages. Hopefully we can see a 25% boost.

 

What you aren't realizing is that the CPU matters SIGNIFICANTLY in these tests.

Also we have yet to see any real gameplay/Gaming benchmarks.

This is all guesswork.

7.5% over the 680m... they wouldn't even release it if that were the case.

An OC'd 7970m can reach 10-15% increase over the 680m for crying out loud (not that the 680m couldn't also OC, but you get my point).

If the card isn't a 20% jump then WHY WOULD THEY MAKE IT? WHO WOULD BUY IT?

My 2 cents...

 

people who thought it was newer so better

 

They have to make at least incremental upgrades with every generation to stay competitive with the green team. Since the 7970m was a huge jump over the 6990m, it makes sense that this would be an increment generation.

A card like the 8970m is not something you spend $500+ on as an upgrade for your 7970m, but in a couple months it will fill the same price point on new laptops while offering better performance. Everyone who wants a new laptop with top-tier graphics at the lower prices offered by AMD will buy the 8970m until they release the 8990m or 9970m. If they stood pat with the 7970m for another year, people would jump ship to the 780m even though it costs more.

That, my friend is WHY THEY WOULD MAKE IT! WHO WOULD BUY IT!

 

Being a college student, I can't afford to upgrade every year. I mostly upgrade within 3-4 years. So I don't usually overvolt, as it can be detrimental to the lifespan of a GPU or CPU. Since the 7970m was a lot cheaper than the 680m and it provided performance that was on par with the 680m under stock, I stood with the 7970m. Hopefully this year, the 8970m will be on par with the 780m on stock, and a lot cheaper.

 

so you will grad after 3-4 years and able to upgrade every year?

 

hope u realize that the post u quoted from me was concerned with HM compatibility, right?

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MONEY?

AND YOU WOULD, and others who blindly believe it's 20% better.

It's called perception and marketing and it works really really really well. Pick and choose specific games and benchmarks, release marketing material. Reality in games, maybe 5-10% better, if lucky. Profit.

And then maybe you'll say, customers aren't that stupid. Really? C'mon... yeah they are. 30% of consumers buy something because a celebrity endorses it alone.

Tons of people come on NBR buying the latest and greatest, and they don't even know how to uninstall and install drivers. They have never heard of Afterburner or how to overclock. Many believe flashing BIOS is like tinkering with an atomic bomb. Nevermind noticing that what they bought was just a rebadge of the previous year's hardware.

I'm just replying to your question, I have no idea if the 8970M is 7% or 20% better, I personally would expect the former, unlike you, I don't have faith it's 20% better. Even if it was, I still wouldn't touch it, I'd go Green, screw AMD.

 

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What amuses me more is that, if we look at CPU and GPU power in their typical usage scenario for the majority of the mainstream .. Its Web browsing, email, Flash games and playing music. Perhaps some zipping of files and using a basic productivity package such as MS office. As soon as this could be achieved multitasking at a good speed in HD quality then apart from genuine productivity work or dedicated DX / OpenGL gaming there has been no REAL need for any more CPU clock cycles. The main benefit modern CPU/GPU architecture has brought to the notebook is low power states and cooler operation, hence the HUGE tablet boom and cheap laptops, Chrome OS etc..

You can take a decent laptop now from 8 years ago, and a desktop from 10 - 12 years ago with a dedicated card, place Linux on it, feed it a cheapo £40, 40GB SSD and run anything an average users are likely to want at a speed that will feel perceptibly no different to a £600 "6 or 8 Core i7 Haswell" !! think about that for a minute no need for Haswell ? no need for 8970m , 9870m *10000M 8GB DDR6* or an Nvidia 880,980 *1000M*


for desktop pc you can now build a decent gaming APU rig for £350 that would waste an Xbox 360 / PS3 !

But here is the crux of the issue.. for men its all about power, status having the latest and greatest. For the companies its all about pushing out hardware in time with badly optimised PC games so you NEED to buy the hardware, this gives you the reason and justification to indulge. What happens if all the next gen console ports are optimised perfectly as they are using X86 AMD APU architecture ? will the most eye blowing game like Kill zone run on a $99 A10-5800k it should, its practically the same hardware .. but wait on PC you will need a 8970m so you can add that anti aliasing that the PS4 didnt have

its all business and its all about fleecing the customer as much as possible.

 

Even after graduation, I don't just go upgrading every year for a mere 20% increase. I usually wait until its at least 50% faster.

Are you applying this logic it to amd alone or nvidia as well? If both, then why are sticking with the green, as amd can provide cheaper prices and can display performances on par with nvidia cards under stock clocks.

 

I saw today on the thread 8970M latest news,physical card pic,upgrademonkey exclusive

that the hd 8970m "neptune" is clocked with 900/1250 Mhz on stock.It was a MSI card.

So I don`t need to upgrade !!!

You find this deleted thread on google ,hd 8970m latest news,

So the hd 8970m is a real small upgrade !!!

 

More news. Now we have pictures of the 8970M and a GPU-Z screenshot, plus information about it. I don`t know if it is a rebrand or not since I`m not able to spot any die difference.

MXM-card ( 7970M as comparison):


The die itself ( 7970M as comparison):


GPU-Z (4GB GDDR5 compared to 7970Ms 2GB). Not much more information there really:


Most importantly, AIDA64 screenshot. You can see Neptune there (codename for 8970M) and you can see the clocks. 900MHz for the GPU, 1250MHz for the GDDR5. Compared to 7970M with 850MHz/1200MHz. That +8.5% extra performance over 7970M makes sense now?

 

Yeah Cloudfire.That`s what i saw:hi2:

now on ebay

 

It wasn`t upgrademonkey that posted them in the first place?