8970m

hmmm.... just came here from the nvidia 780M thread and im wondering: if the rumors on both sides are true, why would nvidia release a gpu that is SO much more powerful than the AMD equivalent? remember they were planning to release the 675MX as their mobile flagship gpu until 7970M came along and surprised us all (including nvidia)? would rather make sense if they went the same way now, especially if amd´s 8970M is only a slightly OCed 7970M... wouldnt be good for nvidia to fire all their ammunition at once, just "cuz they can" all about the money, after all

 

You are forgeting that HD 8990m is needed to compete with 780m, like you said 8970m will be more or less 770m rival, who knows anymore...

 

Some sense in this thread after all.. Thanks Jaybee. +rep

 

If 8970M is the only card from AMD, I might agree with you jaybee. But I think there absolutely truth to the 8990M rumor. But what I don`t understand is the +$250 price for a higher clocked 7970M

I also think that the upcoming cards will be the last one from AMD and Nvidia from the current architectures (GCN/Kepler) so the next cards will indeed will be their entire arsenal fired at each other. AMD will be out with their next architecture really early next year. So regardless if 8990M comes, I think Nvidia will go allin with their 780M.

Just look at GTX 580M. It was Nvidia`s latest and greatest card from Fermi. It came out in July 2011. We didn`t see a new card from them until next year June 2012 when 680M came out. It will happen again I think

 

im always open for surprises

 

As I see it:
Nvidia Kepler > Maxwell
AMD GCN > GCN.

Nvidia probably predicting AMD will have something soon after. The 8970M will just be a rebadge. Maybe later release a 8990M or 8970MX. Just as Nvidia had done that too, GTX 675M and then release a 675MX later.

So far still the official word from AMD is that their focus is still on the first generation GCN, and fixing the drivers. Their CFX fixes are rolling out but not finished until July. For mobile they had to readjust the Pci Bus to work with Intel hardware and improve the frame latencies.

That's how I see it. Nvidia being smart, go big, so you don't look dumb when AMD shows up later with actual, real GCN 2.0.

 

Both sides are only releasing true next gen chips next year with the process changes.

For now we have the same silicon, maybe with a couple of slightly tweaked chips balanced differently from AMD (ala 7790 desktop). That's it.

 

upgrademonkey exclusive picture of the new 8970M , NOT for sale ,media release copy.

as a business, we are not allowed to post new post in this forum , so will have to share the result elsewhere.

 

thx for sharing

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Where are you sharing the results at ? We want to see them.

 

Does GPU-Z read correctly with the newest 13.4 driver from AMD? We can't see the specs.

 

Here´s a benchmark 3dmark 11 from me with hd 8970m clocks

AMD Radeon HD 7970M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3720QM Processor,Alienware M17xR4 score: P7061 3DMarks

 

I still don`t get that price...
And is it a overclocked 7970M or not?

 

It looks like it and the price I have explained previously.

 

well, we still have 780m to be something better fingers crossed!

 

If the 780m is much better I´m sure AMD bring out the 8990M end of year

 

Let's hold our horses until we at least see a genuine proper GPUz reading with proper specs and accompanying results in game at stock and OC results.

Right now I see nothing concrete enough to write off the 8970M just yet. For now anyway 680M/7970M are good enough. We can wait until June to see what will be; will be

 

Why don`t you explain it again instead of having people to look in your post history to find it.

Laptopmonkey just made a comparison video
<iframe width='640' height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/7oIB5P_X5Ds" frameborder='0' allowfullscreen=""></iframe>

 

the green pcb card (MSI) doesn't have CF connector, so it really should be MSI, hehe) Laptopmonkey says the card has some bios problems so they couldn't make it run, right?

What do we have for now: increased clocks to 900/1250 and 4gb of memory still using the old chip

 

They look the same

 

A little Bing image search of the three cards tells me that there's very little difference when you look at the 6970m, 6990m, and 7970m. They have found a layout that they like and they change next to nothing from one of those cards to the next. That's hardly conclusive evidence that the 8970m isn't a rebadged and overclocked 7970m, but neither is similarity of form conclusive that it is a rebadge.

If it is a rebadge, expect an 8990m to come within a couple months of the 8970m, just as Nvidia's 680m came a couple months after the 675m.

 

It depends if the rumours of a chip larger than the one used in the 7790 is true, as that one would place behind the 7970M we have now.

 

That's not true. These are the rules that concern reseller's and company representatives:

 

Well I cant start a thread anywhere, I have no button can be frustrating if I want to share a mod or create a guide.

 

memory chips on the card (LM) is T2C, with appropriate voltage (1.5V) 1600MHz forgeting MAX,
1.05V core is supplied, it will not be as cold as the 7970m

 

Nice topic about the a new AMD mobile GPU.
In my country, or the Dutch MSI website is selling the GX60 3BE with an A10 Quadcore with an AMD 8970M.
The stores still doesn't sell them. I have almost read the whole topic and that moneyguy is the only reseller who sells the 8970M?

I always been a loyal notebook0user for 10 years and this month has come I can no longer go with the notebooks because of the restricted fan and speed.
And I can't believe they are still concern about the batterylife savings. Why on Earth go play high-end games on your legs in atrain
and block the airflow and get the GPU and CPU to almost 80C degrees?
I was about to buy the MSI GT70-ONE but the problem will be there again: only one year having a good time of gaming and there you go,
games will make the notebook hot. Just like my HD HDX16 with a C2D8400 2.26GHZ and Nvidia 9600M GT 512MB.
GPU gets up to near 90 when 100% in use like using ImToo Video Converter which supports the CUA cores.
Now it's only used for internet.
So the notebooks are no longer suitable for my needs. Hate the restricted speed and get so better get an Nvidia GTX680 I guess.

While we are talking about the 8970M, our Dutch wesbite news about hardware, they've got news about the upcoming GTX780M.
It's about 31% faster than its little brother GTX680M. Kinda insanse and the bandwith is 160GB/s.
If anyone wants to translate or read the wehbsite:
Specificaties en benchmarks van Nvidia GeForce GTX 780M duiken op | Hardware.Info Nederland
And more info and benchmarks of the GTX780M:
More NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M Benchmarks Emerge | VideoCardz.com

Kinda insane what MSI can do. First a new MSI notebook with 8970M and now the GTX780M!
But that 7,5% makes barely any difference, not now when GTX780M is about 31% faster than the GTX680M.
I do not hate AMD nor I have anything against AMD them but Nvidia seems to be a better choice and it supports more than AMD.

EDIT
i totally have missed the Nvidia GTX780M topic! How silly of me, I had different tabs opened on Firefox.

 

I'm pretty sure a tahiti LE could fit in a 8970/8990m.

 

While that core offers great performance per $ on the desktop, its performance per watt is TERRIBLE vs a 7870, the performance would be worse than a 7970M by a large margin at 100W.

 

AnandTech on the 8970M:

AnandTech | AMD Launches Radeon HD 8970M

 

According to Hardware.info the 8970M is only 6,7% faster than the GTX680M.
It's ridicolous, it's a barely any difference. AMD is not doing very well when it comes to mobile high-end GPU's.
I'll just wait for the GTX780M. 31% faster than its little GTX680M is a big difference vs tiny 6,7% difference.

 

So my 7970m clocked @ 1450/950 at 1.05 stock voltage is faster than the "new" 8970m. Looks like I might finally be moving back to a nVidia card for my next laptop. Finally going to upgrade on the CPU side and jump on MSIs next iteration of Haswell laptops. Looking for a 15.6 though and all I've heard about is the new GT70 so far. Hoping the GT60 isn't far behind.

 

How do you know this for sure? From what I have seen the 8970M is faster than the 680M, which is faster than the 7970M, ergo, the 8970M is faster than the 7970M. And we still do not know how much 'overclock potential' either card has at this point, but we will soon.

I would only go to NVIDIA for driver support and the fact that there are less issues with SLi as opposed to Crossfire, in most cases.

 

Found a official review of MSI GX70 with 8970M Click here

Pretty disappointing bench scores compared to 780m...

 

Considering the AMD CPU, it's hardly a fair comparison for the HD8970M there....

 

I don't know anything for sure yet. But if you read the article and the post with the review of the GX70, you will see the 8970m is the same card with a slight OC. No other changes that I can see. As far as OC ability, that still has to be determined I suppose. But 1450/950 isn't even the highest I can go. Its what I set, and found it to be 100% stable in games and never bothered to try higher yet. I want a powerhouse for my next laptop, and I've waited quite a while to finally upgrade (on CPU side) and won't settle for less than the best current gen card. The 5870m was my first AMD card, then I had a 6990m, and now finally a 7970m. All have performed flawlessly and were great performers in games, and I never really had driver issues (except for the recently released Last Light). I'm no fanboy of either company though.

 

It may even be possible to flash the 7970M to 8970M. Problem might be the memory change though. 8970M only comes with 4GB (8x512MB) while 7970M comes in 2GB (8x256MB).

 

When came the driver 13.10 Beta 4 out?

 

u mean 13.5?

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The AMD slides show that the benchmarking was done with "13.10 beta 4". Chances are we won't be seeing that driver any time soon

 

ooh ok! i guess its probably just a typo then

 

The slides from AMD is extremely misleading. They tested the 8970M against GTX 680M. The 8970M is run on a 13.10 Beta 4 while 680M on WHQL 307.17, a driver that came out in January 2013....
Nvidia have released a new driver for Crysis 3 alone, one for Tomb Raider, one for Far Cry3 and have improved BF3 many times since Jan 2013.

 

Are you sure its 13.10? 13.10 means October 2013 which isn't here yet as far as the general public knows.

Then again, 13.1 WHQL was a WHQL'd 12.11 which is probably just as old as the 307.17 WHQL. Since then, it was 13.2, 13.3 (WHQL'd on 13.4) now its 13.5 beta since its may.

I don't think AMD has a time machine actually. Even the 13.2 prototype driver which is aimed at fixing multi GPU stuttering is basically a development based on an old driver, hasn't been integrated into current 13.5s.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.com/fileadmin/Notebooks/News/AMD/AMD_Radeon_HD_7000M/AMD_Radeon_HD8970M_press_13.png

 

Hmm.. ok.. wasn't expecting that.

 

Maybe its some future driver which they haven`t released yet? I`m sure they have the Beta drivers ready for some time before its released to the public.

 

True, if that's the case it adds on to the pack of future AMD drivers
-13.5 beta (routine)
-13.2 prototype (microstuttering related)
-13.10 (??)

 

maybe nvidia driver team is actually writing driver for amd but they just ask amd not to release this driver until october

 

oooooor we consider the simplest solution and just see it as a typo

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No doubt, if Jan Nv drivers were used, it would stand to reason that Jan AMD drivers were used instead of some time machine driver.

Very disappointing early word on the rebrand though. At least Nv can pull considerably more out of initial Kepler offering.

 

Hey guys,

I wanted to overclocked little bit my 8970m. I think the only way is through vbios. Do you have any suggestions how to do it? In what range of parameters I can play? And which parameter to change to have little bit more performance but not super high temps? Should I also undervolt a bit?

I hope anyone did something similar on 8970, i have read about 7970 but this is not exactly same thing...