AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

Can anyone who knows chinese translate this. I am not interested in google translate
Is he talking about the new 680M reaching up to P7000 or the 7970?

 

i think it says 680M is only P5000 in 3DMark 11 while the 7970 goes past 6000.

also i think it says the 680M is probably gk104

 

Do you know chinese or just guessing?

If they say 680M reaching P5000, it means they know nothing new about it. Bah, sucks

 

huh, back to guessing/speculating then....

 

It never was out of guessing/specualting zone.
So far most of the posts about 680M were wishful thinking, while 7970M is awfully real that overclocks well and stays cool. I honestly know nothing about 680M, but waiting and waiting and waiting to (maybe one day) buy something is really tiring. I hope that 680M won't disappoint you.

 

Well the overclocking ceiling for the 7970m in 3dmark 11 (tes on) is in the 6800pts range.

680m has to beat that.

I am considering buying the 7970m with the i7 3720qm and i see no reason to wait.

Edit: Just that fact i will have 6970 to gtx580 performance in a notebook is amazing.(in overclock)

 

With stock voltage... which is quite low.

 

Technically, yes. The 580 Desktop @ 950+Mhz sails away beyond 7K+ though.

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2224821

 

My thoughts exactly. Performance wise I can't ask more from this card and CPU. I'd rather be using it now than wait and hope for a "supercard" for many more months and probably be disappointed at the end anyway by either performance that did not meet expectations (that became too high after so much waiting) or by the price. Currently there is only one choice for high end gaming card (for "colorblind" people like me) - 7970M. Otherwise I'd get 650M which is cheaper and is good enough for most people.

 

I had a Chinese friend translate it for me. He said the chinese was a bit confusing, but he gave me this:

2 things to say about this:

1- The information about the 6.5k ~ 7k in 3D11 is not official. Someone heard, but is not official.

2 - Without some more backgroud was hard to tell if they are talking about the GTX 680m or the 7970m when they are talking about the rebuild and the 6.5k scores. BUT, IMO, it makes more sense to imagine they are talking about the 680m, since rumors about problems in their production have already been around for some time.


I believe we'll still have to wait to see what is the real truth.

 

lol @ "someone heared about score of 6,5K"

Just made my day.

Psst. I heared 8970M incoming in 3 months and scores P11500. Dont tell anyone.

 

nooo thats way too early,havent even gotten around to enjoy my 7970m yet haha

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I'd buy such a card so hard =)

 

was just trying to help dude.. trying to make clear that was not something official. English is not my first language, sry if that was not a good way to express my self.


You seen to know everything, so gimme the breaking news!
(how'd say? Oh, "sarcasm")

 

no offense, we appreciate ur translation efforts i think he was just making fun of the source

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develoso, it wasnt personal or neiter it was about the translation. Its just hilarious how one random forum user posts about "hearing" P6500-7000 and "green half of the world" takes it as trueth.
Developing new card is not "two week" job. It takes way more than that.
This score claim is pure nonsense IMO.

 

Ok, got your point now!

Yeah, like I said, we still have to wait for the truth...
Until someone get their hands on one card or something official is released, it's just speculation.

 

This is nvidia we are talking about they never come late to under perform

Here is your 680m Sneak peak

-Runs cool
-500~ 3D mark11 score over 7970m
-Cost 500$ more (going sli will cost an arm and leg for m18x)

In the mean time AMD users can enjoy their 7970m for months until 680m is out, months after 680m AMD release 8970m which cost 500$ NEW to buy

AMD users sell their 7970m for 400$ add 100$ more to it and purchase 8970m which perform better than 680m and so the story goes (As a nvidia user going that approach would cost much more duo nvidia prices + the fact once AMD release a newer GPU that is cheaper+faster why would anyone buy a used more expensive under performing nvidia GPU of the previous generation? so their prices and resell value drops a lot

Nvidia really need to make their prices realistic otherwise they will always be not impressive for real world gamers scenario, Nvidia use would be limited to limited time bragging rights for benchmarks

 

Its obviously absurd to believe anything from a forum.

How you can use that as "proof" or "fact" is beyond me.

Watch this Nvidia card perform identical to the 7970m but cost $100 more

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Of course you can trust us

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Just $100 more? I'm sure a lot of guys here would like that, though.

 

IM buying the 680M if its P7000 and cost $100 more. I still think Nvidia is able to make a 680M that score better than that too. But actually I still want a lower watt GPU than that.

Thanks for the translation develoso. Since they are talking about it re-created, I think they mean the 680M too. Always tricky to understand google translate

 

I love this! NVDA is scrambling, reworking silicone. AMD knew they had this round won stunned NVDA with the 7970M. Thank you competitive market! we get the benefit, this is awesome and needs to continue!!!

 

Since most of the users will switch to 7970m soon, nvidia should carefully think about their next move.
It will be stupid and pointless to out a gpu after 2/3 months your competitor for a 5% boost in performance with an insane price tag.
Every intelligent person would just "pffft" at them and get a radeon up this point.
Also they had the technology to begin with, simply they didn't bother enough to develop a decent mobile hardware in conjunction with desktop 680. They had the time and the power to do so, but still money rules and desktop segment is what matters most.

I applaud AMD for showing some respect and interest in mobile gaming segment. And this brings them the fruits of a rightful decision.

Unless the so called 680m will be in the same price range as the 7970m, I doubt it will be worth the jump. I will be happy to be wrong thought.

Ah I guess those guys that can efford 2 m18x will not bother, rich people will be always rich people.

 

Nvidia reworking the 680m?

why is everyone surprised by this? I told you guys this like 2 weeks ago lol...Actually, i was told that they were reworking the clocks, but if they are respinning silicon, then the rumors about a 6 month delay will be true

 

If theres no solid news in 2 weeks, then lots of peeps will not give a rats what they will make or not. We are buying 7970M by then.

 

I don't buy a 680M delay is because of the 7970M performance. It was plain as day what the 7870 numbers were and a varied product line would have allowed Nvidia an educated guess how performance would scale.

 

Besides BF3, Witcher 2, Metro 2033 and Crisis are there any other games that will actually use the full power of this generation of gpus ?

 

No one will be surprised if Nvidia does indeed tune the 680m to be better than the 7970m by a small margin.

Just expect it to be competitive... its Nvidia's business and indeed in their best interest to do so.

Don't be surprised if they have a price premium attached to "the best" (by 5-10%) it's what they did last time.

Nvidia has the tools to ship a better GPU, they just have chosen to rest on their previous accomplishments for a bit.

Kudos to AMD for shipping (and being able to properly mass produce) their solution for both desktop and mobile GPUs. Better yet, they did it at a price point that is more reasonable than Nvidia is willing to match for now.

AMD has raised the bar. Expect Nvidia to follow suit... in time.
This is good news for all gamers in the long run.

 

Max Payne 3, Far Cry 3, BioShock: Infinite, Metro: Last Light, Crysis 3, some new MMOs - just a few that come to mind. I'm sure that there are/will be many more.

 

680M Rev 1.0 I'm really happy for you but 680M Rev 2.0 has the best 3DM11 of all time! ALL TIME!

 

zero, the question is when? if its 6 months, ATI will have their next gen available

 

7990M Ghz Edition.

Unstoppable!!!!

 

LOL 6 months. GTX 680M is available for purchase in July. Trust me on that.
The 680M MXM card have been leaked to the MSI community. It is in last stage production.

There is no way this GPU is coming October-November. Absolutely no chance.

True, we don`t know how much Nvidia and AMD know each other, but the rumors has it that Nvidia expected a 60-70W GPU from AMD and did a half a**ed attempt and made the P4600 GPU. Boy they were wrong.

But who knows, the rumors could be all wrong. This P4600 could be GTX 680M and on route like planned while P7000 is GTX 685M.

@Zero: LOOL at that picture

 

What he says!

 

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hmmmm...ok, who has the leak in the MSI community. I need to know cause i want one of these cards lol

I'll believe all these rumors when i see a physical card. Even if its available in July, that means mass availability when? August? Sept?

Any real rumors on the price? i've read everyone saying its gonna be expensive, but what does that mean?

 

Also, you start turning up eye candy(AA/AF) and you can use the power of current generation hardware in just about any game.

Here is what I believe is going on right now:

NVDA was probably expecting an AMD 75w gpu to be released first then followed by a 100W a few months later. Instead AMD kind of changed the normal release structure this cycle and went right away for the 100W 7970M, which NVDA was not ready to compete against. They probably had/have a 75W 680m ready for some time, expecting AMD would release 75W, fight it out against it then, then a month or so later 100W. They cant release the 75W 680 until they take the crown for PR reasons. Most likely they will release the 100W GTX685? to take the crown then release the 75W 680 in a few weeks or sooner, oh and charge a hell of premium for the 5% like they always do.

Im really hoping AMD has a surprise around this release. 7990m anyone?

 

I'm not sure how likely until 680M is released, but, judging by how cool the OC 7970M is and how much less power it uses compared to OC 580M, it may be possible. AMD was really quiet until 7970M was announced, so the only people that know are AMD themselves and NVIDIA spies

 

I believe Nvidea can ship a GPU that will be 5%-10% more powerful than the 7970 like everyone says.

The problem is that if they take too long for that, everybody will just buy a 7970m, and than the money for a brand new GTX 680m will not be worth the power gain.

Even if it is in the same price range, your 7970m will be running smooth all the games, theres just no reason to get a 680m other than benchmark. Imagine it as jumping one generation...


Nvidea will have to come up with something huge for a reaaally good price to make it worth for anyone that will already have a 7970m.

 

Most people want more AA and supersampling to remove jaggies on grass/trees etc (Crysis looks like crap to me without forcing supersampling for example)

You can add ton of AA and run solid 60FPS minimum for games like Resident evil 6/assassin creed 3/tomb raider etc
Multiplatform games with DX11 effects like batman already run below 60FPS at 1080p with max settings (Ultra + AA)

The beauty is running your games at 60fps minimum which most charts is not showing, the reviews usually only shows your average FPS.

 

Heres why NV GTX680M will not beat 7970M by as wide margin as P6500-7000 in 3DM11 and probably will not beat it at all:

-Pitcairn XT is smaller and more efficent than Kepler GK104.
-GTX660M is 75W TDP and scores under P2300. Theres not much room left for near 3 times of the perfomance gain.

Here is why NV GTX680M will be out in July and scores P6500-7000 in 3DM11:

- Some dude in some forum said so.

 

Except the 660m is not really 75W.

 

They're both 28nm.

 

That's the manufacturing process which does not dictate the size of the die, or am I missing the point? >_<

 

You got the point. He obviously didnt.

I really doubt its a typo on all the sites which offer it. If its written 75W, then its 75W. Unless Nvidia suddenly decided to remake their TDP calculations and go on AMD tactics on doing this.

 

i've read that the pitcairn core is more efficient per watt than kepler and both have a 100w upper limit...so that's why i said 6 months above. It has to be a complete respin of the silicon if nvidia wants something that will beat the 7970m. You can't turn iron into gold.

 

Ho boi ><

Looks like I might go for the 7970M afteral and hope that D3DOverrider decides to work

 

im a green team guy, but it seems like nvidia has really let their mobile gpus go to . Maybe AMD had always intended for their new gpu's to outperform nvidia, and be more effeicent. I guess the people at nvidia were sipping down some nice cold beers, and forgot about the competition!!

 

That might change if te production GTX 670 performs as shown at overclock.net (faster than the 7970, 3% slower than a GTX 680, higher overclock headroom than the GTX 680 despite having 192 less shaders, all of which doesn't make any sense at all )