AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

I saw that and have no idea what to say, it doesn't make any sense. Conspiracy theorists unite!

 

We are all speculating. This is the thing that without data is hard to guess.

 

11K on 3DMark 2011 with a 670 OC'd is enough data for me.

 

To add more weirdness to it all:
GTX 670 have so far been priced at $399 for reference design and $419 for the Gigabyte OC version which is probably slightly faster than 680.

Compare that with the $479 for 7970 which this GPU beats, and $499 for the 680...Why do Nvidia compete against their own cards..

Zero: here is some more scores of the 670 overclocked, on air. Max 80 degree celsius with the highest OC. Its so sick. 7970 score X2800 on stock
http://wccftech.com/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-670-hits-14ghz-boost-clock-frequency/

 

Yea, it doesn't make any sense. nVIDIA would have to phase out the 680 and introduce the 685, and do it very quickly.

 

HMMM, Interesting thought. Maybe that is exactly what they are planning to do...
CEO Will Announce Big GPU News On May 15: NVIDIA | Maximum-Tech

 

Well let's keep in mind that even if Nvidia can cut the 670 desktop down to fit in a mobile GPU, its still going to perform less well.

To drop a similar amount of power consumption to make their 7970m, AMD dropped 15% from the desktop 7870 clocks. I wonder how much Nvidia would have to drop from the desktop 670 to get it in at 100W.

Yes, pitcairn is more efficient, but it does NOT have the upper-range potential to compete with the desktop 670 as benchmarked. (the desktop 670 competes with the desktop 7970 and barely under the desktop 680!) Remember, Nvidia still holds the faster technology overall in the desktop arena.

The 768 shader kepler rumor of a 680m is quite likely a downclocked 660Ti as we all expected. The thing is... Nvidia has the option of raising the bar and making AMD think about their next move or shipping their original 680m plan with some tweaks to compete.

Either way AMD has won a battle... but not the war.
A war we consumers win either way.

 

We still don`t have the correct power consumption of the 670 yet.
Could be anything really. Could be too high, could be 170W like GTX 560 Ti was. Anything is possible

680M could also be 660 Ti but not with 768 cores since the 660 Ti feature 1152 cores. I find that strange, but then again I am open for disappointments

Man this rumor discussions make the whole waiting so much worse. Meh, I`m gonna call it a day. GTX 670 is suppose to be announced 10th May btw, so we will know the real details pretty soon

 

I decided to go black (that's when you mix red and green). Ordered M17x R4 with 7970M and M14x R3 with 650M.

 

Red plus Green equals Brown lol but yes you have gone both ways.

 

Hmm. from What color do you get when you mix red and green

I guess mixing Nvidia and AMD in one house makes me dirty... and weird.
Should I cancel one?

 

Yes. Just because of the colour, you should.

 

I think the 680 4GB model is replacing it first. 685 Q4.

 

I heard that once you go black you never go back.

 

LOL....Dan, you know you want nvidia. Just hang for a few more weeks and hope some concrete news surfaces about nvidia's next gen champ.

I will be very impressed if Nvidia pulls a rabbit out of their hat...if they can get something to ship within the next few months, i will get the qs card a few weeks before launch and run some benches. As of right now, i'm still thinking September...because its a complete respin on the silicon.

 

It is possible, that they will just reduce the clocks and voltages of GTX670, but i find it unlikely. It all depends how warm that card really is and does NV really want to release GTX670 to mobile market.
Personally i think its not going to happen.

 

if it does happen, I would get it ASAP,otherwise I would enjoy my 7970M

 

Well I'm ready!

 

Hi Guys and Girls,

I see that a lot of you have put 7970M's into your older Alienware 15X and 17X's, and in Meakers case an MSI M16F2.

I own a P170HM and P150HM with Geforce 485M/580M GPUs and was wondering if I would be able to do the same? As the P1x0HM chassis are identical to the P1x0EM chassis (witht he exception of motherboard revision) I can purchase a fitting heatsync without having to modify one.

Have you had to update / modify your bios/ECC in order to have the 7970M work, or has it just worked? Was any specific tweaking to the cards settings via bios or windows software such as Afterburner necessary to run them stabally?

I would prefer not having to purchase a new laptop chassis to own this or the 680M if i dont have to ><

 

I know upgradeyourlaptop is currently testing the cards in a wide variety of machines including yours so I would ask them once they have finished.

 

I just got replied on ebay saying they already have HD 7990M in stock. Wait, before it's released??

 

typo

10char

 

Thanks for the info, do they have a specific site?

 

Im looking forward to the news too.
Would be neat if we could use the HD 7970m heatsink from the P150EM / P170EM without any modification.

 

It's the ebay arm of eurocom, I would recommend PMing them on ebay though .

 

MSI GTX 670 Overclocked version = 170W
MSI N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 670 2GB Overclocked Video Card - 2GB, GDDR5, PCI-Express, ATX, DL DVI-D, DL DVI-I, HDMI, Display Port, Overclocked at TigerDirect.com

 

Attention 7970m owners !

Official dell drivers are released !

Drivers and Downloads | Dell [United States]

 

now let the fun begin!

 

Long, you got your 7970m installed?

 

I am not able to download them for some odd reason.

 

I recently purchased a 9150 with the 675m ~about 3 weeks ago~ I was not able to wait for the 7970 since I'll be deploying before they ship. My plan is to upgrade to 7970m/7990m once I return from deployment. I have a couple of questions:

1. How much doe resell value drop on these cards?

2. Would I need to modify/purchase a new heatsink when I upgrade?

3. Where can I purchase a new heatsink when I upgrade?

4. What is current resell value for the 675m?

Any insight would be helpful, thanks.

 

Thats how much money you will need to buy it just about.

 

I think I will wait it out too. It seems like it is a big increase in performance, but untill the 680M is officially release can't be for sure. Even if it matches the specs that would still be good, the question still lies in the price...

My computer isn't broke so might just wait till Q4 2012 to see how the technology becomes more stable.

 

SlickDude warned in another thread that a 7970M owner installed these drivers and had a lot of problems with them.

 

Yes...installer beware. These drivers are actually 11.10's or 11.12's cats...8.90 or 8.93. They are ancient. They will not support 7970m. I'm currently on modded 12.5's...8.97. I'd be very surprised if these display drivers will even install. I doubt they will detect the 7970m. 7970m has enduro and a few other things that old drivers just won't support

Geocake tried to install the so called official amd drivers found on the R4 resource cd...and it took him 5 hrs to get his computer back. Black screens and various other problems. I'd definitely wait unless you are really brave and have a few hrs to kill

 

Well these are the official dell drivers at moment, someone has to test them and report back here please.
I would but my notebook is due to June so...

 

Geo can confirm if these are the same drivers he tried to install in his laptop with 7970m...i have a feeling these are the same.

 

Drivers didn't work for me, but they will probably work for R4 users. (Also I think the modded drivers are better as they are newer and have some optimisations). I'd still like to see something from AMD themselves...

 

AMD will release their drivers on Friday when the cards are released, surely??

 

Cards hold their value pretty well, you might need a new heatsink, you can probably get it from whoever you bought the computer from, last I checked the 675m was roughly $500.

Honestly, unless some game is not performing as you want you are best to wait until your warranty is up on your current card. The longer you wait the better cards will get, in a year (when I assume your warranty ends) you can be sure that there will be significantly faster cards than the 7970m.

 

I sure hope so...OR you could be this poor sucker, who went out, bought a m17x R4 with 7970m, received his laptop and found out that there was no working AMD driver LOL

oh well, i assume he will be coming to NBR for advice soon

Re: Alienware m17x R4 7970m question - Alienware Forum - Alienware Club - Dell Community

 

Have anyone seen this?

 

^^^ ya, its greatly exaggerated...the HD4000 integrated graphics doesn't even get 30fps on BF3 on the lowest settings @ 1024x768 resolution according to notebookcheck.

just scroll down to BF3:

Intel HD Graphics 4000 Benchmarked - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

There is no way it is getting 50+fps at 1080p...NO WAY.

 

If you had an option to choose AMD 7970m and GTX 680m at the same price which one would you have choosen?

 

um... 7970M all the way for the moment, because the 680M doesnt exist yet not even in semi-confirmed benchmarks ^^

 

JayBee has it right...you can't answer that question because no one knows if the 680m will even match the 7970m in performance. All there currently is are rumors and conjecture.

We have many members now with 7970m's...this is a real card with real performance figures. several new and old members on the m17x forums have the 7970m installed today or are sporting newly shipped 7970's in their R4's. And it seems the performance is every bit as fast as was originally reported

 

I wonder where the hell he got that from, or why he said that...

Yeah, just like they said. The 7970m is real, you know its benchmarks.
You know nothing about the gtx680m. For the same price, I would choose the best one. Which one is that? We shall see!

 

I can answer it, I would get the 680m, because there is no way Nvidia will be very far behind AMD, and my money is on them being ahead. Even if they were a tiny bit behind the extra Nvidia features add tons of value in my opinion.

 

Ok, but you're stating you prefer Nvidia over AMD. So it's kinda ur choice because of brands.

Speaking from the capability of cards point of view, one cannot be sure of what is going to be a better deal.

What ur main use for the GPU is going to be also play a important role here. (Although news on Adobe going with OpenCL can change it in some ways...
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...5-ati-hd-7970m-nvidia-geforce-gtx-675m-7.html)

 

I prefer Nvidia features, if AMD were to match Nvidia with the extra capabilities I would have no problem going with them. Also, if there was like a 30+% performance gap then I would consider AMD, but there is just no way that will happen. Nvidia will hold back the 680m as long as needed to release a comparable product.

If a similar AMD and Nvidia card are the same price I give a $100-$200 value advantage to Nvidia, simply for the extra features.