AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

7970 is out you can order from Dell but I think they officially launch it this Tuesday

 

The 7870 is a lot more efficient than the 7970 and since the 7970m is going to be a downclocked 7870, the gtx 680 vs hd 7970 comparison isn't really valid. The 7970m and 680m should be fairly even in terms of efficiency.

 

if the 7970m is this amazing i wonder how the lesser cards are goning to stack up :S

 

This is the smart view, and I couldn't agree more. Fanboys for red or green may miss the boat by being stubborn and narrow-minded. Better to be a fanboy for whatever holds the crown and ignore the color of the logo.

As I mentioned in another thread, "Whatever rocks the hardest and lives to tell about it wins." Until the new generation flagship mobile AMD and NVIDIA GPU are able to go head-to-head, the fat lady hasn't sung. The 7970M is amazing. Hopefully, AMD will do something better with their drivers. It's nice to see another sick option emerging in high-end mobile gaming graphics. NVIDIA is smart for holding back their 680M release and letting AMD set the performance bar. By letting AMD go first, they can lock their sights and carefully aim. Knowing how high to jump before taking the leap is a good strategy. Early adopters have been disappointed many times. Better to pause long enough to make a cold-hearted and calculated decision, then go for the head-shot. Only time will tell who the winner is going to be in this round.

As long as red and green keep exchanging blows, the GPU world will be an exciting place.

 

Who knows, AMD may have a better results on the mobile GPUs than Nvidia although Nvidia have better results with desktops. Atleast from the start. Maybe Nvidia come draging along with a "new" 485M later, and the history repeats itself.

 

People always get parts early.

 

but should I wait for gtx 680m to be in sager np 9150 or go with radeon 7970 when it's out

 

Given that a 7970M is cheaper than the 675M, waiting for a 680M is kinda foolish at this point. Even if 680M matches the 7970M in performance, it's gunna cost a TON more.

A better questions would be: "Should I wait for a system which offers 7970M in Xfire?"

 

How much of this do you think is Nvidia's planning vs not being able to release much because of the problems with fabrication? I agree that they have time to counter the 7970m but if the rumors about the fab issues are true, they may miss their opportunity.

 

But the 680m may have better performance than the 7970m or might not cost much more. It's hard to tell at this point, which is why people are waiting.

 

What I am fearing is that driver support is going to be bad, as I've heard it has been in the past with AMD. If not, then more power to them.

Can anyone give a clue as to how similar the architectures are between Nvidia's Kepler and AMD's new 7970? Because it seems nowadays that this Kepler business is insane.

By no means am I a fan boy. I really just want to get an incredible GPU in my next Laptop (Im a 3D Artist) and I want it to last for at least 4 years. And by "last," I mean I want good driver support, good cooling, and etc. Clock rates and bandwidth aren't always my first concern.

 

Their 675M, a rebadge, is already $150 more than the 7970M. Predicting the future of Nvidia's pricing on their flagship mobile card is not difficult, we have plenty of data that supports it will be expensive as hell.

 

You guys have nothing to worry about with regards to drivers. AMD has several iterations every month. New drivers and temp fixes coming all the time. I'd say AMD is more on the ball with regards to drivers than nvidia is at this time.

And if you own Alienware, i've a modded stock dell driver now (if you're worried)...currently using a modded 12.5 beta. I'm afraid for the 7970m, we will have to take care of things by ourselves for a while until official support comes

Anyways, just another update

as measured by FRAPS and i've only had very limited play

Skyrim Ultra, 1080p, 4xAA, 16AF

Getting 75+ running around the countryside
Getting 70-80fps walking around White Run (which many complain causes their computers to become a slide show)
no performance mods installed.

My son just played through 5-10 mins of BF3...he's truly amazed. 50+ fps Ultra

 

those scores make me The Lonely Island - Jizz In My Pants - YouTube

 

At Dell. The 7970m more expensive than the 675m at other places. I have very little doubt that the 680m will cost more but the big unknown is performance. If the 680m performs well enough than the extra cost may be justified. If it doesn't than people will just buy the 7970m. But at this point we don't have enough info.

 

Guys, i know many have already said it...but 680m isn't coming for months. And the 100w limitation will not allow it to destroy the 7970m. It isn't a miracle design...unless you guys really need cuda or 3d, there really is no need to wait.

 

SlickDude: Unigine heaven please. Unigine Heaven 2.1 - high, Tesselation (normal), DirectX11 1280x1024

 

just because i like you...downloading now

 

Does any one know when AMD 7970m will be option in sager np 9150?

 

slickdude80 do you have any power consumption meter reader for plugged devices. I might give up trying to tell people to not get the gtx 675m for a week or 2 ago as I seem to get negative comments by people. Anyway if you can compare your power consumption reading to if possible if you have a 6990m power consumption reading it will be helpful.

 

why on earth would someone buy a gtx 675 now?

Unfortunately, i have no power meter...but dell has rated the 7970m at 100w

 

Awesome. I appriciate it

Here are a few scores to beat with those settings (high, Tesselation (normal), DirectX11 1280x1024, AA: off, AF:1x):
6990M: 37.2 FPS
580M: 43.8 FPS

Maybe try with the settings below @1080p if you have the time. Most unigine heaven runs (even with desktops so we can compare easily after) is with these settings
Here is 6990M CF

 

Does anyone know if switchable graphics will work with the 7970M in the new Clevos (P150EM and P170EM)? Just wondering if anyone has any info on that...
I know Mythologic says they have switchable working with AMD cards (they say they got some custom made drivers for it) but im wondering about support with P170EM (which is what im getting) in general from all other resellers (or Clevo/Sager).

 

It probably will work. The new models support the iGPU and other features so it may be likely. Would make sense seeing as it supports Optimus on nvidia cards. No info though sorry. pau1ow might...

 

Already asked him. Just thought someone else might know .

 

AMD's BACON works differently from Nvidia's Optimus, so automatic switching might not work. But manual switching should.

 

slickdude80 can you also run crystalmark 2004r3. My acer scores 106212. I reckon yours will score 300000. I knew amd were doing better then nvidia in the last week or so but needed to see proof.

 

UPDATE: Just ran unigine...never ran it before so i don't know what is good or bad. Is this good?

everything STOCK 7970m@850/1200

 

You just beat a 6990M crossfire setup, what do you think?

 

That's only 1280x1024 for the 7970m.

 

ya, that's what i meant...i don't know if that's good for 1280x1024.

I'll run a 1080p run later to compare to 6990 xfire

 

hahaha that is so awesome. +rep (You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SlickDude80 again...)

To put it this way,
6990M got 37.2FPS with the same settings. 7970M got 2.2x more frames.
580M with the exact same CPU and settings got 43.8FPS. 7970M got 87% more frames.
6990M CF with the same settings got 73.5FPS. 7970M got 11.1% more frames than TWO 6990s LOOOL

This GPU is such a beast

If you want to compare against the desktops, like 7870, GTX 570 etc, here are some settings and results
ASUS Radeon HD 7870 DirectCU II 2 GB Review - Page 23/30 | techPowerUp

 

Looking at that bench, and comparing it to the link Cloudfire provided above, it would appear that the 7970M is equivalent to a standard 7950 desktop card, at least in the Heaven benchmark (not sure about AA however).

I'm in disbelief. Surely that must be wrong. If not, I'm getting me one of those cards asap.

 

If you run 1920x1080 it may be on pair with 6990CF

 

Yeah test it in 1080p and 4XAA and compare with the list. After all its this resolution that matters to gamers plus it test the GPU to its limit

 

oh god we are at the beginning of exciting gpu times :S

 

LOL...thnx for the rep...its the thought that counts lol

WOW I had no idea...this card is more than just a beast...i'm lacking the vocabulary to describe it lol

This is for real bro. Believe it

And if you want to truly freak out...just wait till i figure out how to overclock this card. Unfortunately, there is no app or official driver support for the 7970m...yet. We will have DESKTOP gtx 580 performance from a laptop

COMING UP SPEEDY

 

Do you think amd were focusing on the mobile market How much did your 7970m cost. I am definately getting ivy bridge with amd 7750m graphics now as the performance improvement as shown by you is real and looking at Tech ARP - Mobile GPU Comparison Guide Rev. 13.0 a 7750m should be more powerful then a 6870m and as good at texture stuff like the 6970m which is crazy. A 7750m at 36w macbook is gonna be great for gaming and should be virtually 2x more performance then the 6770m/6750m gpu's at similar tdp.

 

im looking at the same card and i cant wait for the leaks on it

 

Can't wait

 

LMAO I made this thread and said the 7970m would score be around 6k and it was.
7970m from a 6990m do you guys think its worth the upgrade? like i score 3500 and the 7970m scores 6000 its nearly double the performance

I bought the 6990m hoping it would last 4 years do you think i should wait a couple years or wait till the 8970m or 9 series comes out?

 

I think for almost double the performance is worth the upgrade but just if you want it because the 6990 still play all the games fine lets put it this way the 6990 is a beast the 7970 is a monster

 

I have a feeling that the jump from 6990m to 7970m will be bigger than 7xxx to 8xxx so the upgrade might be worth it for a lot of people. Then again, it's just a feeling and I'm no expert.

Edit: Speedy Gonzalez beat me to it because he is, well, speedy.

 

bro, forget all these benches for a second. I was expecting a maybe 20-25% max increase over 6990m. I'm seeing 50-100% increase. This is significant. AND THIS IS STOCK. What happens when i crank up the overclock? We have desktop gtx 580 performance in a laptop

in real world, i'm getting 50+ fps in BF3 ultra, I'm walking around White Run in Skyrim (Ultra, 1080p, 4xAA 16xAF) at 70-80fps

unfortunately, the 6990m is obsolete now. Still good enough but far from good

 

How much more do u guys think the 7970m would cost relative to a 660m?

 

Thanks Slickdude.
Pretty nice performance. Better than 580M SLI and about the same as 6990M CF
Here is the comparison I made

7970M


6990M


580M


6990M Crossfire


580M SLI

 

I paid $450 for my 7970m, seems like the going rate is $450-500 or so.

 

where did you purchase it?