AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

Isn't there going to be a 7990m?

Does 4xAA look better than 0xAA with FXAA enabled?

 

*double post

 

A 7990 is debatable because the 7970m is already at 100w...so i'm thinking, if they release a 7990, it will be a 7970 slightly overclocked. They can't increase the number of spu's. The 7970m already has the full 1280 spu's.

This card is based on the desktop 7870 which has 1280 spu's.

Which means...the 7990 is either a slightly overclocked 7970 OR a completely new architecture. So it might not happen

I don't like FXAA on skyrim...seems blurry to me. 4xaa looks crisper to me

 

How's your temps looking?

I hoping to put this in a 15.

 

67-68c in furmark

 

Will the 7970m be compatible with the MSI 1761 (GT783DX)?

That card is a beast! Those who are planning to build a build a desktop now should really really think twice. And i just bought a 580m. Oh well..

 

Not sure, but MSI machines have shown good compatibility with newer cards (for instance, I've seen some GT660 owners upgrade to the 6970M and 6990M). Would love to see a 7970M in one of the newer MSi systems...

 

Yeah I want to know about compatibility but since most GPUs have worked on MSI barebones etc.

Where did you buy this monster card? I'm glad to see my initial score estimates near 6k were correct omg.

I NEED to buy this RIGHT NOW and install it on my machine. Damm. Please let me know where!

 

Thats good news!! I'll break my current 580m first before upgrading. Those benches are amazing! TechGasm!!

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hmm very interesting! I thought the 6990m was an enormous jump from the 5870 and was thinking at the time 5870 sli power in a 15in im sold. so i bought a sager np8150 with a 6990m in december and max every game except metro 2033. now I see the 7970m getting 6990m sli performance and im thinking this is crazy its like laptops are obsolete every 6 months.

I have a np8150 stock with 6990m would it be wiser to sell my laptop or upgrade my gpu? like how much money could i sell my 8150 for with 6months left on the warrenty? and how much will a sager np8150em cost with a 7970m ...like if i can sell my laptop for 1000 and get a new laptop for 1700 the cost is 700, but if i keep my laptop and upgrade the cost is only 500? but i lose out on the backlit keyboard!

should I sell my laptop now or upgrade what should I do?

 

man these numbers are sick! this kind of performance is definitely worth waiting to upgrade.

 

its up to u only

 

Well that was an interesting era and for a good reason.

6990m jump was duo moving to 100watt
7970m jump is duo 28nm

NEXT GPU wont be smaller than 28nm for 2 years at least so that's out

Watt increase, considering how 100Watt is already pushing it i doubt we will get +100 watt GPU anytime soon

Expect 8970m to be the usual +20-30% though early 2013

There was never a better time to buy a laptop, people need to realize that
Moving to 22nm CPU (ivy bridge) and 28nm GPU is huge jump for laptops and specially gaming laptops.

 

Has it been noted if the 7970 will work in an R2? If so, with what mods, if any?

 

I am waiting. The 7970m [and Ivy Bridge to boot] is really nice and from some stand point I am in a worse boat than you with just a 5870m/720QM, though I just have to deal with 1600x900 instead of 1080p ...so I've been pretty good so far and I guess I can go another year and tweak the settings.

There is another aspect to consider and that is the games. Most PC games are ports of six year old console games. The 6990m and even the 5870m will be pretty good with them. The real issue is the new consoles coming in 2013. When PC games are no longer held back by ancient consoles, the graphics "ceiling" is going to be raised more freely. With that in mind, another reason I have to wait is that I think the best strategy would be to grab the better hardware available for PC when the new consoles release.

I don't think there is a lot of downside for wait as 2012 is sort of a slow year for games in comparison to 2011. My biggest concern about how well my 5870m will run is Bioshock Infinite and that 's pretty much it. Tomb Raider? Torchlight 2? Diablo III? Those shouldn't be any trouble. Skyrim runs great, all that DLC won't be an issue.

The 7970m is sweet, but the way I see it the payoff of waiting for a 8970m [or two] is greater than the cost of waiting with my current card at a time when gaming graphics have for the most part hit a temporary plateau .

 

Shock news: Don't upgrade your system if you happy with it

1080p does require a lot of extra grunt and depending on what the person feels about frame rates and the games they play they could easily need the 7970M to get the experience they want.

 

On a related note, I just ran across this.

There is another version that doesn't include the HD 5000 series on the chopping block.

WTH?

If this is true, I'll never buy another AMD GPU again.

 

They are dropping support for DX10 GPUs.

But it does not mean your card wont work, just that there will be no new drivers for it.

 

How many users here on NBR use a mobility HD 4000 series gpu for gaming?
The ones who do know AMD doesent really improve the older cards performance with the newer Catalyst suites.

Average joes wont notice it because they barely understand what drivers are and the linux users rely on the superior open source drivers anyways.

This wont affect my decision to buy from AMD.


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But the 5000 series is DX11. When I buy a $700 GPU or a $1200 computer, I expect driver support while the hardware is relevant. What was the point of doling out the extra ~$300 on a HD5970 [instead of just a HD 5870] with future proofing in mind when the HD 5870 could of kept me until driver support gets cut prematurely.

Same with my 5870m. I upgraded from FX-9805u and did so with future proofing in mind.

Dropping support on the 5000 series is ridiculous.


OPEN QUESTION:

Anybody feel good about buying a new laptop with a 7000 series card if AMD has a record of dropping driver support barely two years after launch?

[Edit: After a bit more googling, it seems only tweaktown Australia have included the 5000 series on the chopping block. Hopefully it is just their mistake. It seems that way...crosses fingers]

 

I think the 5000 series will still get support, it's everything that was released before that's impacted.

Technically the Radeon 5000 was released 2&1/2 years ago and soon it'll be 4y since the 4870 hit the market so you're overstating things. I srsly doubt this decision will have any serious consequences.

 

why not?
2 year - big period
and u still will have "old" drivers

 

I just want to answer that.
Few times ago, i used to think the same. but now we have few leaks about next gen console, i really doubt it.
The biggest improvement for ps720 will be a real full HD @30/60fps and better textures, wich we already have on our pc.
Games already cost so much to make, editors can't afford to spend the double or more than on our current gen. And just being able to play in real 1080p with hd textures will be already a huge step ( imagine red dead redemption in full hd and 4096x4096 textures ).

Btw, another question : do one have you have any informations about the heatsinks used on 7970m already ? I mean, i'll upgrade my 780dxr, but do i need a brand new heatsink, or just modding my current 570m heatsink will be anough ? ( i can't afford to sell my 780dxr and buy a clevo, this will cost me more money than just an upgrade ).

 

i was wondering, couldnt u just use the drivers meant for the 6000 series for the 5000 series cause the 6000s are just renames?

 

They are not though....

 

2 years is great. My first gaming laptop got replaced in just 18 months. My refurbed FX-7805u got replaced with the G73jh after just 11, though it didn't need to... the laptop just looked like a beastly jump for cheap when I had cash on hand.

Of course, 3-4 years is better. All my upgrades are due to the hardware lacking in games, not for lack of support when I still see performance boost in new games from subsequent driver releases. I'm going to need those newer drivers for Bioshock Infinite. Since TweakTown Australia seem to be the only one that includes the 5000 series on the chopping block, I guessing they got it wrong and crossing my fingers. It doesn't really make sense. The 2000-4000 series had 4-5 years of driver support so AMD shouldn't even be considering dropping driver support on any DX11 card at this time ...and if they are they should include considering the hell they'll face. It doesn't even make sense as a ploy to make people upgrade because what owner of a 5000 series card would upgrade with AMD again after they just screwed you like that?

In short: Dropping 5000 series support makes no sense.

 

You make an excellent point, certainly you derive greater value out of your hardware the longer you can stand to keep using it before spending more to upgrade.

But those of you who can upgrade your laptop graphics cards are incredibly lucky and should take full advantage. The vast majority of laptops cannot upgrade the GPU.

 

Tweaktowns own source states "..pre-Radeon HD 5000 (that's HD 2000, HD 3000, and HD 4000)". Why they include HD 5000 in their article I dont know.
AMD to Drop Support for Pre-HD 5000 GPUs with Catalyst 12.7 | techPowerUp

On topic: 7970m looks amazing..

 

As I recall, this change is specifically for Linux. They're still going to maintain support (of sorts) for Windows. See page 2.

Also, yes, whatever source was claiming support for 5000 series is being dropped is incorrect.

 

Compatibility from a MXM slot perspective...definitely

Getting it to work? That's a different can of worms.

Took me 10 mins to plug it in and repaste and pad. It took me 6 hrs to install drivers for the 7970m into my laptop. I almost gave up. I had to recruit some serious driver/bios guys who really helped me...one guy in particular (thnx again Wild05kid05!!)

Currently there is NO driver or app support for the 7970m...i'm using a modded 12.5 beta.

Simple inf modding of any existing driver will not work with the 7970m's...they require something new.

imagine the scores when a real driver comes out for this card!!!

Semi, if you're brave, i'll help you install it

What is the MXM standard on the R2? How much wattage is your power brick?

i have modded drivers that will work

 

I want to know 7970m Is it provide better battery life than gtx 675m

 

Oh snap, I was about to say that

If AMD does hit the nail correctly smashing it into place with 1 hit, a real working driver could be magic. I remember back the 6970 had a better FPS in multiple games thanks to the drivers, it was back when the 6990 just got released, on paper (sure looks stronger) but what makes the difference is the whole damn driver setup! make it happen AMD, been a nVIDIA fanboy, so prove me wrong

 

Both cards are 100w so no difference. However, 675m has optimus which will extend your battery

The 7970 has something similar. I can't tell you much about it right now because i had to disable the iGPU ... i don't have working drivers that support that. The 6990m had manual GPU switching so you could go to integrated or discrete.

When i saw my Unigine score, i almost fell off my chair. With ZERO driver support the 7970m is rendering DX11 at 60 fps @ 1080p. Tesselation was a soft spot for the 6900m's, but not with the 7970m's. Expect this number to rise with driver support.

Once i get some overclocking support, i fully expect desktop GTX 580 performance out of my laptop (WOW...this thought is sending chills through the geek side of me lol)

The conclusion...the 7970m is a MONSTER

 

Is the 7990m actually confirmed?

 

oh sorry wrong card lol I thought you mean 7970m

 

nope...in fact, the 7990 doesn't make sense.

The 7970m is already 100w and already has the full 1280 spu's. This gen is based on the desktop 7870 which has 1280 spu's.

So what are they going to do with the 7990? Increase the clocks?

MAYBE, the 7990 is a completely new design...but i haven't heard anything in the pipeline

 

But from what I see on xoptic here Sager NP9150 / Clevo P150EM - XOTIC PC - Sager Gaming Laptop

It said that ETA late May. What does it mean? Do I have to wait until the end of next month for it to be available?

 

^^^ i see an option for the 7970m, but where is the option to chose the 7990m?

 

I actually thought that guy talked about 7970m sorry for my mistake

 

What 3D notebooks will carry the AMD 7970m? Originally I was going to buy a Asus g75 3D, but their graphics card, the 670M sucks. So I was wondering if anyone knows of a notebook with 3D screen, and this card.

 

Um wow, my poor 6990M

 

I just realized how this single card makes the complete 600m series from nvidia look like bad products.

660m was supposed to be the "lower end of the high end" and you would need 3 in sli to catch up to the HD7970m....

Fermi got crushed, and the only competition left would be a newer nvidia product which would have to be just as powerful, leaving a massive gap between its high end products.

If AMD follows suit with 7850-> 7950m, 7770->7870m etc etc... Nvidia are doomed. their whole product line will become a mess.

640m was a great idea, making it a huge performance increase. but sadly there is just small increments from 640m to 675m.

 

Nvidia really did shoot themselves in the foot with the branding. If they ever wanted to fill in the gap they'd need a 665m or something. Or maybe they'll transition out the Fermi 670m/675m altogether and replace them with kepler or something.

But as it stands the performance spectrum isn't all too bad. The 670m/675m should be able to stand up to their AMD counterparts just fine in terms of raw performance, it's just that they lose in efficiency.

 

Or just abandon it all and pretend that the rebranding thing never happened

 

Thats what I doubt. The 7970m being the flagship with basically 6k 3dmark11, then the 7950m which should have around 5k, 7870m should have around 3500k assuming it has nearly the performance of the HD6990m by virtue of the desktop 7770.

Basically, the equivalent from AMD to the 660m, would have the performance of a GTX580m but at the price of a 660m...

In the end its all assumptions but it doesn't bode well so far, such a huge gap in performance.

 

Yeah.. Sadly this is the best possible answer.

 

6990m maxes everything! what exactly do you need to upgrade to the 7870m for other than benchmarking? I think i'll wait till the next series or the series after that to upgrade (8x the power FTW)

 

You forget exactly what AMD is up against. The 480M was a flop too if you recall properly. The 680M might be a flop too, but that's why they'd just recreate a new GPU called the 685M, if that were to happen, and drop the 7970M.

Nvidia has been at this for a while... and this is all they do.

 

Ohhhhh My Goooood!!!!! 7970M is a MONSTER!!

6990M is pretty good too, but man I feel bad now! (-__-)"
Though I think it is better to wait for the next gen, the 8970M

AMD takes the crown this round...easily!
And they deserve it!

 

So when does the 7970m come out? Tomorrow? Or end of may? I am getting diff dates from diff sources. Also which manufacturer would better to get wit this card? Alienware or sager? Possibly asus?