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    AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by x32993x, Apr 20, 2012.

  1. dd_wizard

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    Today's stocking@Newegg:

    1. Seven different 670 cards, all but one out of stock.

    2. Sixteen different 680 cards, all out of stock.

    3. Two different 690 cards, both out of stock.

    Again, the 1536 bin is empty, and now, the 1344 bin is almost empty. That leaves the 1152 bin for the 680m and the 660. At this point, Nvidia must realize that yields are so bad that supporting two products from a single bin is problematic. As Cloudfire mentioned, Nvidia has historicly launched their parent desktop card before their flagship mobile card. But this round, I'm betting the 1152 core 680m launches before the 660 desktop card. Then, they can only hope that improving yields will allow a 1344 core 685m to launch in September.

    dd_wizard
     
    dd_wizard, May 14, 2012
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  2. Zero989

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    nVIDIA's lower Keplers were released at/on 40nm I believe. The Kepler 630/640 series. If nVIDIA can somehow receive more wafers then their TSMC problem MIGHT be give enough room, I doubt it though. Too much $$.
     
    Zero989, May 14, 2012
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  3. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Kepler is exclusively 28nm.

    GTX480 = 1.5GB
    GTX480M = 2GB
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 14, 2012
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  4. p1n0yBaLLeR

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    p1n0yBaLLeR, May 14, 2012
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  5. Zero989

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    That's true but nVIDIA's GT 650/645 OEM is Fermi based while AMD's is all GCN as far as I know.
     
    Zero989, May 14, 2012
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  6. p1n0yBaLLeR

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    would an intel 3610QM bottleneck the 7970m or is it worth it to get 3720QM or higher worth it???
     
    p1n0yBaLLeR, May 14, 2012
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  7. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    GT640-660 + (strongly assumed 680) kepler, everything else is fermi.
    HD7700 and above = GCN, everything below VLIW V (40nm).
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 14, 2012
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  8. Zero989

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    It won't bottleneck at all. The 3720QM is worth it only if you need CPU power outside games. In games it won't matter.

    GeForce GT 645 (OEM) - GeForce

    140W GF11x card.
     
    Zero989, May 14, 2012
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  9. Zero989

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    delete....
     
    Zero989, May 14, 2012
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  10. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    I was of course talking about the mobile line up.

    I'm not sure I could take looking at the desktop market.
     
    Meaker@Sager, May 14, 2012
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    GTRagnarok, May 14, 2012
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  12. Zalgradis

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    ... 100 fps on one of the worst maps to benchmark the game on with a pitiful level of graphical intensitty in comparisson to the rest of the game and AA disabled.

    About as useful as stating I have 200 FPS while staring at a wall texture. Sorry.
     
    Zalgradis, May 14, 2012
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  13. p1n0yBaLLeR

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    son i am dissapoint
     
    p1n0yBaLLeR, May 14, 2012
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  14. rpanic

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    rpanic, May 14, 2012
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  15. x32993x

    x32993x Notebook Evangelist

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    Funny.

    0fficial

    7970m wastes 680m
     
    x32993x, May 14, 2012
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  16. maxheap

    maxheap caparison horus :)

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    Faaaaaakeeee
     
    maxheap, May 14, 2012
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  17. long2905

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    Lol at the site name =)
     
    long2905, May 14, 2012
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  18. Tyranids

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    I am sensing a flurry of lamentations and cries of heresy a midst the brewing storm of nerd-rage and disbelief.
     
    Tyranids, May 14, 2012
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  19. p1n0yBaLLeR

    p1n0yBaLLeR Notebook Consultant

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    Dwight Hugh Madbrough?
     
    p1n0yBaLLeR, May 14, 2012
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  20. 5150Joker

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    It must be legit if Legit Reviews says so. :D
     
    5150Joker, May 15, 2012
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  21. Tyranids

    Tyranids Notebook Evangelist

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    Not sure who that is...
     
    Tyranids, May 15, 2012
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  22. Prasad

    Prasad NBR Reviewer 1337 NBR Reviewer

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    lol nice!! :D :D
     
    Prasad, May 15, 2012
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    fantabulicius, May 15, 2012
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  24. GTRagnarok

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    Not sure what the deal is, but legitreviews.com is as legit as any of the major review sites out there like anandtech, guru3d, tomshardware, hardocp, etc. They do extensive reviews on the latest hardware just like everyone else.

    That said, it's still just a rumor.
     
    GTRagnarok, May 15, 2012
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  25. p1n0yBaLLeR

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    Nvidia fans are like Laker fans, gets all butt-hurt and use all kinds of excuses when in denial.
     
    p1n0yBaLLeR, May 15, 2012
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  26. TwinTurbo

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    U mad bro?

    Haters gonna hate.

    (insert another ridiculous phrase here)
     
    TwinTurbo, May 15, 2012
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  27. Zalgradis

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    Did someone say something about an announcement regarding an Nvidia GPU on May 15th? ><
     
    Zalgradis, May 15, 2012
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  28. djsubtronic

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    Come at me bro.
     
    djsubtronic, May 15, 2012
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  29. maxheap

    maxheap caparison horus :)

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    and it is even funnier that everybody likes to make fun of lakers fans, guess why...
     
    maxheap, May 15, 2012
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  30. Andycinoz

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    I've been wondering this for a while now, but could nVidia's marketing machine have made the mother of all naming **** ups?

    With the rumors coming out of a lot of places puting the 680m's test performance at around the 4900 mark, might they designate the 570m's replacement as the 680m, and then release a faster, flagship 685m/690m at the same time or a little later, depending on how yields are going?

    (IMO, of this is the case, they'd have to release both together, to avoid the rest of the gaming world jumping on the 7970, as I think quite a lot of people are waiting to see how they counter the 7970)
     
    Andycinoz, May 15, 2012
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  31. 5482741

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    5482741, May 15, 2012
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  32. Frost451

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    All of this is rubbish, I went with the 7970M for now, if the 680 turns out to be better then I'll upgrade to that card later. I'm usually an Nvidia fanboy because of Evga and their high quality work in the desktop market.

    I am finding it hard to believe that Nvidia could F up this mobile release so bad. The desktop 600 series cards are the bomb. But this is the same company that was like, yea lets put a new sticker on the 580M, no one will notice. Then again maybe they didnt, but we shall see.
     
    Frost451, May 15, 2012
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  33. Prasad

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    I'll contradict you on two points there. First of all, both nVidia and ATI are known to rebrand a last gen card to the newer generation GPUs. It's not always feasible producing a new architecture just for a new line of GPUs. This mostly only applies to the higher end GPUs, which in this current case are the ATI Radeon 7970M and the nVidia Geforce GTX 680M, and neither are rebrands as several articles suggest.

    Secondly, I laughed when I read your comment about nVidia's "high quality work" when in my experience two of their cards which I purchased (the 6800GS for desktop and the 8800M GTX for laptop) both failed critically and horribly due to a very bad case of engineering and poor soldering work. No compensation was provided for the same, even when thousands of cards failed simultaneously. nVidia seems like a great company around the time a consumer is looking for new hardware.. But is it really "high quality work" or if it's reliable, let alone trustworthy in a relatively long-term span (of say two years?) is HIGHLY debatable.
     
    Prasad, May 15, 2012
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  34. Frost451

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    That may be your expeience with Nvidia, but mine was very differnt from that. I have owned many different GPUs from Nvidia over the last 10 years, and have never had any of them fail. I usually give my old GPUs to friends and family when I upgrade and they are all still working as far as I know. So from my point of view they sell quality GPUs. Sorry for your bad experience.
     
    Frost451, May 15, 2012
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  35. Energyo

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    To back up what Frost451 is saying I've never had an issue with a nVidia card. Actually I've only had issues with ATI/AMD cards with both the desktop and laptop. Maybe it's bad luck, I don't know but when I was trying to get an ATI card for the desktop I had RMAed 4 different cards back to newegg before finally settling with nVidia. When I first got a sager laptop I went with the radeon 6970m but there was an issue with the GPU, and btw this was an issue many people were having only with the ATI card, and I RMAed, went with nvidia 485m and no problems since.

    My experience so far has been that you pretty much get you what you pay for, ATI seems a bit cheaper but also operates cheaper in MY experience. I can't stress that enough, this is MY opinion and MY experience with ATI.
    BUT with that said I believe that ATI has a very very good chance of kicking nVidia's butt with these newer gen cards and I am actually tempted to upgrade to the 7970m but first I want to see what nVidia does.

    This is an exciting time in the mobile world. Mobile GPUs are becoming so damn powerful, gotta love it :)
     
    Energyo, May 15, 2012
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  36. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    Cloudfire, May 15, 2012
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  37. Frost451

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    Its time to watch it live
     
    Frost451, May 15, 2012
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  38. Legolas84

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    post news in real time pls... :)
     
    Legolas84, May 15, 2012
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  39. slane04

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    Nothing noteworthy yet.
     
    slane04, May 15, 2012
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  40. svl7

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    Don't expect to hear anything about the 680m, this is gonna be a big sermon about CUDA.
    Nvidia should stop with this stuff and go OpenCL.
     
    svl7, May 15, 2012
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  41. nissangtr786

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    This is boring now lol. Only good thing was the how the world would look in was it 6 billion years from now lol. 10x better then fermi at nbody simulation and 3x energy efficient performance and now it can work better with the cpu.
     
    nissangtr786, May 15, 2012
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  42. evlmangesh

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    Absolutely agreed.
     
    evlmangesh, May 15, 2012
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  43. evlmangesh

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    Lol @ the
    indian dude... We DO sound funny... :p :) :D
     
    evlmangesh, May 15, 2012
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  44. Prasad

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    Darn it! I'm unable to stream it!! :D But you gotta agree... We're just EVERYWHERE!! :p
     
    Prasad, May 15, 2012
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  45. evlmangesh

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    iStreamplanet Flash Player
     
    evlmangesh, May 15, 2012
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  46. Prasad

    Prasad NBR Reviewer 1337 NBR Reviewer

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    +1! It's about time..

    I found the link already... just unable to stream for whatever reason! Think my net connection is acting up again!! :(
     
    Prasad, May 15, 2012
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  47. evoandroidevo

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    Ugh i keep buffering

    and now my laptop doesnt charge at all anymore im so glad im getting an m17x this summer
     
    evoandroidevo, May 15, 2012
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  48. Prasad

    Prasad NBR Reviewer 1337 NBR Reviewer

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    Same here... Wish the player just let me set the buffering bandwidth/quality like YouTube.. :cool:

    EDIT: Guess it's over now.
     
    Prasad, May 15, 2012
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  49. evlmangesh

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    no 680m....
     
    evlmangesh, May 15, 2012
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  50. GeoCake

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    "What's better than a mech first person shooter?"

    Erm... just about everything?

    Also wasn't OnLive a similar service?
     
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