AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

MSI and ASUS will be unlikely to ship out an AMD laptop. But Samsung already planned to get one out this summer I believe.

 

LOL you do realize that all of the games you listed could run perfect on a notebook from 1998 right?

 

The only thing that's worse than not doing well is not turning up at all......

 

Yeah diablo 3 is like the last game you would need to buy a new machine for.

 

Yeah I know.

I am in market for a notebook so that I can play games anywhere in the house should I wish. So what not get a good one...future proofing somewhat.
I have a budget of only $3000, cant justify the steep price for Alienware however.

 

Just $2000 and you would have a better than decent M17x R4, unless you live outside of the states?

 

so far only Alienware and Sager/Clevo are doing 7970m is it not?

 

Samsung is having a laptop with teh 7970m, but heard terrible build qualities so far.

 

My feel is that Samsung is still new to gaming laptop, I expect them to take sometime to get it right.

So if MSI/Asus not going to do 7970m, and I don't fancy Sager/Clevo.
Alienware is all that is left..... sigh...

 

You might like them more than you expected...

 

Samsung make great notebooks
Have no experience with Alienware but there are tons of people who buy them for each revision so they must atleast do something right

 

One other reason i am apprehensive about clevo/sager is that my boss used to sell Clevo..and he said they sucks...but then they might have improved since.

I am actually a Samsung fan (2 TVs, fridge, washing machine, Galaxy S2), I'd love to give their laptop a go, but I need to have a feel first.

 

Hey i'm curious what was it like when the GTX 480M came out? I only know that it is inferior to even the GTX 470M. And the RADEON HD 5870M also arrived at the time right? I wasn't tech savvy enough at the time so yeah. Would there be some kind of history repeating itself?

 

Even less than that. Right now there are M17x R4 with 7970M for around $1800 on ebay for sale. I see absolutely no reason to wait for the Nvidia "miracle card".

 

When the 5870M launched Nvidia responded with the GTX285M (which was a rebranded 9 series chip which was a small shrink of the 8 series.

Only much MUCH later did the 480M come out which AMD did not really respond to (it was no faster....) only when the 485M came out did we see the 6970M.

 

Everyone was saying "it's over, there's no room to improve" when the 100W GTX 480M came out. Have we forgotten that so quickly?

The 6990M was only 10-15% improvement over the 6970M in the first place. It's not like AMD has to move mountains to put out a slightly faster chip.

The 5870M came out in the February 2010 range, while the GTX 480M was announced in May, then available in June. People (including me) saw the 352 cores w/ 256-bit and thought we were in for a beast, but then the low clocks killed it.

The GTX 470M and 460M actually didn't even get announced until that September. There were a lot of salty 480M owners when those were benchmarked, it was kinda cruel.

As far as history, yes, a pattern can be drawn. Once again, AMD is first to market, with an impeccable GPU, and Nvidia is scrambling to get something out to compete. But what sunk the GTX 480M was it's outrageous price, not it's disappointing performance. The same will go for whatever GTX 680M we eventually receive.

 

Thanks guys! Very informative! Rep'd Meaker and i will rep kevin when I'm allowed again .

@rorkas: well yeah you can certainly get the new R4 for less ($1600 with 7970M), but since he would spend 3000, i assume he may want to get a few upgrade here and there.

 

I'l throw some rep for you.

 

well it seems if one follows the last 2 years or so, history is repeating, this makes Amd the (current) winner to me.

 

The 650m on notebookcheck shows games with aa and af so it should run games without aa and af at 1080p on high. Game requirements will stay similar as long as the ps3 and xbox 360 are around.

My 9600m gt is still a strong card for gaming at 1280x800 resolution. The only thing that really is struggling in games is my processor but it can just keep up but for fraps and to a lesser extent video encoding the p7350 is quite slow.

I also know this is a 680m and 7970m thread but until the actual release of the 680m comes we won't know much. I reckon the previous leaked benchmarks by nvidia of the 680m were as a 75w card as nvidia thought amd were bringing the power consumption down but they kept it the same 100w with 7970m so nvidia delayed the release and ramped up the clocks.

 

650m (GDDR5) = GTX560M pretty much

Basically its the borderline for an acceptable gaming machine. It will struggle with newer titles at 1080p.

 

Gaming-Benchmarks : Exklusiver Hands-On-Test: Schenker XMG P702 mit Radeon HD 7970M

ohmygodable gaming benchmarks for 7970M compared with 675M in Metro2033 and Crysis2

 

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Translated. Interesting. Thanks for the link.

This shows the power consumption, it takes 17w less then the 675m on crysis 2:
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...HD_7970M-Wimbledon,testberichte-241026-2.html

I still don't know why so many people get the 675m as 3d gaming is useless on a 675m.

 

It seems they don't want to wait 7970 or think that benches are kind of fake

 

Is this real life?

 

oh nice have we reached the 690m already?

and yeah well, i guess people FINALLY start realizing exactly how much of a true beast the 7970M really is about time

 

What are you talking about

 

Everyone knew that it Is a beast but since the nvidia flagship isn't out we can always hope for a beastier(yup that's a word now) card cant we xD

 

7970M is very impressive.

Dirt 3 1080p Ultra
7970M over 675M 38.7%

Crysis 2 1080p Ultra
7970M over 675M 63.4%

Metro 2033 1080p Ultra
7970M over 675M 66.7%

 

It's almost like my original performance estimates of at least 50% were right..... I admit I did underestimate a bit.

 

shame on you meaker

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jaybee83 the 690m was a typo I put, it was supposed to say 680m which I changed a while back.

Anyway it will be interesting to see laptops with 7770m out vs 650m performance per watt benchmarks. However it seems amd and nvidia are similar.

Cloudfire the 7970m is impressive but most people expected a big boost and the 7970m provided it.

 

Hey, people came down on me like a ton of bricks calling me an idiot for thinking it could be more than 30% faster than even the HD6970/6990M.

So there might be a few more "I told you so"s

 

Well we already can work out how it's going to pan out by looking at the 7770 and 7750.

 

i know mate, just teasing always fun

this game aint never gonna change, flame-wars right before a new launch and tons of bragging right after

 

just lapped through 7 pages of posts. Still no new info.

 

I think there's a lot of people getting waaaaay ahead of themselves here. Yes the 7970M is a lot faster than the 580M / 675M (the architecture of which is 2 years old now excluding foundry delays) but that is totally expected from a die shrink and a new more efficient architecture.

Fact*: desktop 680 offers better performance than 7970 for less peak power

Why does anyone think cut-down GPUs based on the same technology for each will NOT follow this trend?

I think this is the best piece of evidence around as predictor for the performance within the 100W space the top end mobile parts occupy.

* as far as I can tell from reviews that have been around for a while now

(also be careful ultra res pack +AF/AA/candy for Crysis 2 can push the 580M's 2Gb VRAM limit which will lower its fps numbers more than straight gfx-crunch power would indicate - kind of like the old accusations SuperPi could fit entirely in conroe's L2 cache which meant its results were "artifically" boosted - but in any case a min FPS of 13 (toms.de link, 1080p, 4xMSAA, on 675M) is unacceptable to me so I wouldn't and didn't use those settings on my 580M)

 

Games Like Metro and Crisis don't impress me as much since those are always skewed towards amd AnandTech - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Review: Retaking The Performance Crown

I'd be more interested in getting a more diverse set of benchmarks, but all indications are it's probably 30-40% faster in most games then the 675m. A fantastic jump for one generation.

 

This review only tested 3 games. When a review of more comes along I am pretty shure we will see that percentage go down. I am still guessing around 40% in average over 675M

 

I'm pretty sure I was on the "40% plus easily" train, as the founding member.

 

Nvidia still manages to close the gap a bit at higher settings which is nice.

 

I have no doubt from the start! so....Do I win? =)

 

yup, ure all gonna get a pack of gummy bears, sponsored by Nvidia

 

Because there is no linear relationship between specs, power and architrcturr like you propose. There are a number of components that affect performance and power in different manners. Take a look at gtx670 vs gtx680 where over 10% decrease in cores and a decrease in core clocks contributed to merely 6% performance drop and over 20% tdp drop.

There is a point in which a gpu is balanced in its specs, and scaling becomes difficult. there can be cut down versions that perform worse than expected for a single hardware decision like cutting down rops, or too low clockspeeds for massive hardware etc etc.

 

The problem with the highlighted quote is that the 7970m is based on the 7870 (Pitcairn), not the 7970 (Tahiti). The closest chip Nvidia had to Tahiti was the abandoned GK100. That had all the extra transistors that Tahita has for double-precision performance. By dropping the GK100 for whatever reason, Nvidia gave the entire DP consumer GPU market to the AMD 7970.

If you want to compare paper performance, please compare equivalent chips. GK104 and Pitcairn use similar archectures. They both abandoned DP GPGPU functionality for pure viewport graphics performance. From what I've read, Pitcairn beats the GK104 in the performance/power arena. As has been mentioned, we'll never see Tahiti, GK100, or GK110 in a laptop. So forget any GTX680/AMD 7970 (desktops) comparisons you've seen.

BTW, the current stocks at Neweg:

1. All seven 670 models out of stock.

2. All seventeen 680 models out of stock.

3. No 690 models in stock.

4. Most of the entire AMD 7000 family is in stock.

I'm starting to wonder if Nvidia can pull off an 1152 core GK104 mobile part. Slick may be right, we could be waiting for Nvidia to completely respin the mobile silicon, and no 680m until September. But that seems pretty farfetched. They really need to get something out the door, and not so far behind the 7970m in performance that everybody laughs. So my money is still on the 1152 core GK 104 part.

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if only we have some actual new info to chew on 8->

 

After 1360 posts, do we have any good news about the next-gen 680M card?

 

neither good nor bad really... nada ^^