AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

But don't forget that AMD said the 6970M was 100W TDP as well, but then the 6990M appeared.

Realistically, we have to know that AMD will deliver something faster than the 7970M, before the end of the year. Whether it's a 7990M or 8970M, who knows, but it will be here in Q3 or Q4.

 

Gaming benchmarks for the 7970M up! Scroll down...

AMD Radeon HD 7970M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

6970M was a cut down chip and cut down chips don't really gain much in power for having units disabled. So activating some shaders and a small clock bump on a more mature process was (relatively) easy.

The 7970M on the other hand is fully unlocked and clocked fairly high.

 

NotebookCheck from my experience is usually retarded and inaccurate... I'd love for a thorough review and benchmark from one of the Sager resellers or any of their customers on this forum really.

 

Look at all that green! Some very impressive numbers.

 

They tend to be in the right ballpark though, and these figures do look good in general so it certainly bodes well.

Not so confident to use their results for direct comparison however, would want to see a professional benchmark.

 

Guys, I've been playing Diablo3 and completely addicted at this point. It might be a while before i can find and install STALKER.

Just as a reference, the last time i played this game seriously, it was on a desktop GTX 260 vid card. The grphics were pretty high on the 260 and it ran very smooth. Seeing how the 7970m absolutely obliterates the desktop gtx 260, i'm guessing 60+fps maxxed on the 7970m

But i promise that i will do that at some point

 

Hello to everyone

I've been enjoying following these threads for the last week or so while I've been waiting on my new R4 with 7970m to be delivered. I'm very happy in general with it. Skyrim looks and plays stunning with high resolution textures and very rarely drops below 60fps. I've also been playing Crysis 2 and Metro 2033 just to put the card through it's paces.

I have overclocked the card to about 950 and 1400 and for the most part these games run very smoothly, there are quite significant sections where the framerates drop to mid to low 20's which I must say I was suprised at. I've also had a few blue screen restarts -not sure if it's due to the overclocking as I have seen other member's have overclocked higher than this. Multiplayer on Crysis 2 was also quite dsiapointing with framerates varying between 20 to 40. The temp of the card has generally been in the mid 60's

Anyone have any comments or advice about this?

 

Card has more than enough juice to run all these games, so my guess would it's a driver issue. Hopefully, AMD will roll out a new updated release that would take care of this problem.

 

The issues you've been having are most likely because either the laptop hasn't yet fully committed to the burn-in or more likely that the drivers aren't yet fully mature! The GPU is still VERY new... That being said, Metro 2033 is a rather poorly optimized game, but Crysis 2 not pushing good frame rates is surprising..

 

its the drivers for sure. What version driver shipped in your R4? 8.34? you can open GPUz and it will tell you.

i'm on 8.97 and i don't suffer drops in fps...but i don't know if the 8.97 will install on the R4 because you still have the integrated vid card on. If you can disable the HD4000, the 8.97 drivers (link in my 7970m install guide) might be something to try

 

Thanks for getting back so quick. The driver version is 8.934.2.0. I wouldn't know where to start disabling the IGPU. First time I've dealt with AMD drivers, I've been using Nvidia last couple of notebook's I've had. I'ld be happy to have a bash getting the newer driver to install. I'll have a look over your guide Slick. Cheers

 

The issue is that the 7970m is brandnew. So we just have to be patient. The guide was designed for the R3, but there may be things in there that may help you. DON'T install that bios though because it's not meant for the R4

 

Diablo 3 have been tested out with various graphic cards.
http://www.notebookcheck.com/Benchmarkcheck-Diablo-III.74908.0.html

GTX 675M in Ultra 1080p, 74FPS
7970M in Ultra 1080p, 101FPS

36% more frames with 7970M, the same as the average performance over 675M I calculated, with many games that notebookcheck tested out

 

Not after the more mature drivers start coming in...

 

Thanks again Slick- I'm happy to wait for new Drivers. As it is the performance of the 7970m is a huge jump from the GX460m I used previously

 

Yeah, that is true. Drivers and performance will improve over time

 

If it's any help. Version A00 8.934.2
Drivers and Downloads | Dell [United States]

 

4905 3DMark11? So its gonna be slower than 7970?

 

Thanks!

I also suspect that AMD ENDURO might be causing some issues too. On all current M17x R3's with 7970m, the integrated graphics must be shut off, so we don't have to deal with it...but on the R4, Enduro should be active

 

Theres this link as well : NVIDIA preparing GTX-680M for presentation at Computex by VR-Zone.com

I dont know how trusted this can be but if it is true then the 7970m is beating that by at least 500 ( min score I found was 5500 max was in 7xxx range)
Only way to confirm is to wait for someone to get it and bench it but that will take at least 2 months or so from now :/

 

Sadly the Clevo driver version is older.

CLEVO Driver Download

But anytime, glad to help, I would imagine several people could use this.

 

P4900 would be pathetic. That is something I would suspect a 75W GPU could do with 28nm.

 

I know it's kinda depressing

 

Not at all! Go ATI! They really proved their worth this time, and they deserve the attention!..

 

Sadly they ain't getting enough, people in my class still consider AMD being . Still waiting for the live benchmarks and some awesome review from AnandTech

 

Now that would indeed be REALLY awesome!

 

Anandtech said they would do one when they got their hands on a M17x

 

notebookcheck´s review of the m17x R4 with a 7970M should be out any day now...

 

I just saw some youtube video with a hp laptop and gt 650m and saw 2tb in the description and thought must be typo but there really is 2tb laptop 2.5" drives out. I have been more interested in the cpu and gpu side. However I hope they are reliable.

 

It's most likely 2x1TB HDDs.

 

Hey no problem man, thanks for your input so far. I think my fps issues I have no stem from my processor (t6600 = Core 2 Duo @ 2.2GHz) I have right now. This laptop is really old, and any type of physics anything just make itself.

7970M + 3610QM will be great, a huge upgrade from Mobility Radeon 4650 and 2.2GHz C2D lol...

 

HP Pavilion dv7-7008tx Entertainment Notebook PC (B3K25PA) specifications - HP Products for Home and Home Office products

This is the model. I have seen 2tb 2.5 online so its amazing 2tb is out. It must have 1tb but square inch. I reckon 1tb would be good as your main computer drive with 1tb backup drive. I have no space left on my 320gb.


Tyranids: Get something like an i7 3612qm with gt 650m gddr5 as that is more then good enough.

 

650M will be enough for 720p gaming, the 7970 for 1080p gaming.

Also that is 2x1TB hard drives as I thought.

 

meaker, there are 2tb 2.5 drives out as well though so its still amazing

Also a gt 650m gddr5 should play most games at 1080p on high, just with no aa or af or maybe 2x as well as shadows maybe on medium as can be seen in this.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html

 

I dont know any 2tb 2.5'' drives, I know there are 1.5tb ones, but the height is impossible for most notebooks

 

WD's 2.5-inch hard drive reaches 2TB capacity - Computers - CNET - CNET Asia

 

What is a HDD? I thought they died out a long time ago

 

They wont be standard height drives.

 

Why are people suggesting the 650M in the 7970M thread? Just pointing that out... I'm stuck at 720p right now, and even for normal use, 768 height blows. I can't wait to graduate to 1080p

 

That the 680M is being touted as 37% faster than the 670M actually makes me believe that the leak is true. That would be a strange stat to fake.

That there's so much disbelief for Nvidia releasing a chip which is slower than the 7970M is strange, to me. It's very possible that this fabled 685M is the true flagship, and the 680M is just the "dammit get something to market " chip.

But where will the 650M be by this time next year? Medium settings at best? More matters than what it can do today.

The 7970M and eventual GTX 680M are about longevity.

 

It doesn`t make any sense, at all. I don`t understand why they would want to do something as stupid.

Who in their right minds would buy a 680M that is 16% slower than 7970M? It would kill all of their sales for shure. Releasing that as a 75W GPU would be smart because they would have that market all for themselves since AMD haven`t released 7950M yet. And whats the point, when they already have a perfectly fine desktop GPU that they can make 680M out of and perhaps score 20% better than 7970M?

Lets say this GPU really is 685M and is coming out in September, why are they waiting? There are no possible upcoming notebook GPU from AMD until 8000M series in 2013 since the 7970M is already at 100W and they don`t change/improve architecture until 8000 series anyway. Are they looking to turn away all future notebook buyers with releasing a weaker GPU than AMD, and coming out in September saying "Guys, we got a brand new GPU that gets P7000".
Most people would say "Sorry guys, you disappointed us in July with the P4900 680M and we already bought 7970M. There was no point in waiting for more since we thought 680M would be your best GPU you had to offer"

 

sure, looking back and already knowing all the facts about the 7970M a slower Nvidia GPU wouldnt make any sense. but what if Nvidia was as surprised to see the AMD gpu performing like that as we were? then theyd have to just "throw out" what they got right now, namely the "slow" 680M and scramble up their ressources to pull a real 7970M competitor (namely the "685M") outta the hat. at this point Nvidia would just be doing damage control as best they can ^^

 

I think the problem is they actually don't have any GPUs at all. It's such a weird scenario having such low availability of cards... it's sad.

Technically there is only one kepler and one GCN card right now, the rest are vaporware. Such a slow gen....

 

Yes, that is the only possible reason I can come up with. They don`t know how, or had the time, to make something equivalent to the 7970M.

But to release somthing that is weaker than AMDs GPU would be a pretty bad marketing move since a lot of people think that this GPU is "it" and would push people in to buying the 7970M instead. Can`t blame them really.
Nvidia could instead of releasing the 680M go out in public at Computex and say that "guys, in 2 months our mobile flagship will arrive" and use their time working on that product instead. I`m pretty shure that would keep a lot of buyers at bay and keep them waiting.

 

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That's just it they have to re ensure that a new flagship will be out because so far ati is just too far ahead.
At this point I am thinking of just going with amd instead of waiting for god
Knows how many months...

 

I can't explain it either, but all of these "leaks" have been telling us the exact same things, from different sources at different times.

I'm not one to believe any unofficial news on specs 100%, but rarely have we seen actual test results (such as the 680M 3DMark11 P-score screencaps) which turn out to be fraudulent.

But I before I pass judgement, I need to see the actual GPU score. If it's only 37% faster than the 670M, it'll be lucky to be 15% faster than the 675M, and is absolute toast in the 7970M's shadow. That scenario is extremely hard to believe. The move to 28nm just seems to dictate that your next card almost has to crush the 675M.

 

agreed, would sure be the smart move now to at least announce that somethings coming up

 

Also, the 7970m is a fully spec'ed Pitcairn chip. AMD has no room to improve on this gen unless they bump up speed, but this is unlikely and will not provide much benefit. There will be no "7990m" this round, at least not like 6990m was an improvement over 6970m. This will be AMDs flagship mobile chip for a good while, no reason to hold out.

 

I will not bother to wait for any "fabled" gpu beyond 7970m.
It will be too long a wait and the performance will not be huge difference I believe.

Now, only have to wait for MSI/Asus to come out with models using 7970m, hopefully soon, esp now that Diablo3 is here and GW2, TSW are on the way.