AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

A reseller said the release is on June but it is shipping on August.

 

When has Nvidia ever given a damn about what wattage ATI or AMD graphics ran at? I seriously doubt they would go below 100W, just because they feared AMD would release first with a sub-100W chip. That sounds ludicrous, when you look at Nvidia's history with desktops and laptops. They are ones to brute force it, not hold back.

 

Yup, probably Computex in June

GK104 use less wattage than Tahiti. Nvidia have turned the table with this generation.
GK106 which is suppose to be in clash against 7850 and 7870, isn`t out yet but who knows, it too might draw less watt than Pitcairn.

Nvidia ditched GPGPU performance with Kepler, and I think that is the reason why the are able to keep the die size and the power consumption down.
GPGPU plus gaming performance combined, AMD is more power efficient than Nvidia

 

The chip being 75W would not be a disaster. It would certainly allow some smaller size notebooks to accomodate the card.

My issue is that preliminary systems housing the 680M 4GB over the 7970M cost CONSIDERABLY more. If the 680M does prove to underperform compared to the 7970M regardless of its TDP design and end sup costing more, I don't see any gamers going for one over a 7970M :/

Still 2 weeks away, bah :<

could be our 685M as the 680M has been "confirmed" as a GK104?

... someone link clouds picture again...

 

No 75W would be perfect since I`m pretty shure a lot of people have that heat limit.

"bah"? Dude that is so close. I`m so psyched.
Price is still a big questionmark yes. I`m curious about how that will turn out

To be honest, I don`t think its confirmed at all. The guy I quoted about the TDP of 680M was the guy who compared Nvidia die and cards and found out that it matched GK104. Maybe there is a chance he is wrong though that the 680M is GK106 (since it doesn`t consume as much) and 685M is the 100W GK104? Or maybe the other way around like you say. I dont know

 

so close, right....to be ANNOUNCED! yet still 2 months+ to be available and watching the impatient crowd here at NBR biatching about having to wait for a couple of weeks for the 7970M i doubt that that extra time frame would be advantageous for nvidia ^^ so lets say a mythical 685M would be ANNOUNCED in september (earliest), when would it actually be available? like november or what? suck³! ^^ in my opinion, no one but nvidia fanboys would hold out for some "maaaaybe" close to 7970M (5%+) card for like 1.5 times the price :/

 

I`ve heard the 680M is shipping in July earlier. Thats slightly over 1 month from now. 685M if based on GTX 670 would give a good performance over the 7970M. But then again, not everyone want to wait as long as September like you say so why not buy the 7970M.
We don`t know the price of 680M yet. It could be competitive against 7970M since Kepler GPUs are now about equal as cheap as AMDs desktop GPUs, when they used to be more expensive with the 400 and 500 series.. So don`t conclude on the price yet please.

That 75W 680M could be very close to the 7970M since we saw P4900 on a engineering sample with no drivers supporting it. And like I said, a lot of people rather want 75W instead of the 100W 7970M.

But who knows, it might be 50% more expensive than 7970M and only give around P4900 like you say. It could go either way.

 

aaalright....im soothed....for now

 

I reckon nvidia are lucky as some reason people keep buying the 675m or 670m. I thought that 10% of high end gamers would buy them but some reason the 675m looks like it is selling well. Its like amd releasing the 6970m as a 7965m and charging the same price.

Nvidia seem always behind these days so nvidia are relying on fan boys over actual performance in mobile high end. the 7970m took a lot less power then the 675m. it seems it must be 2x better per watt then fermi.

I think nvidia originally scaled the 680m to just beat the 580m slightly and amd was quite a bit faster so they got down to work.

 

Please, spare us.

 

I don't understand your obsession with 75W TDP. It could still use more power than 7970M (which anyway runs at 60-70C under load and supposedly is 100W TDP). At this level it all comes to performance, since neither of these cards will go into ultrabooks. If 4900 score is true than Nvidia lost, no matter what this card's TDP is. I highly doubt it will be cheaper than what 7970M cost. So to sum up: lower performance, same or higher price = loser. 75 or 100 TDP is just a nonissue in this equation.
When comparing luxury sport cars, no one cares about mpg, it's all about HP and $$$.

 

Stop talking for me and for other people. Its not about power for everyone.

I want 680M inside a fairly quiet designed notebook, not a 50dB jetengine. There is a reason why TDP exist and why some OEMs only stick to mid range GPUs. That is the reason to my "obsession". I want a balance between power and temperature, and I can promise you that it is bloody difficult to find these days. Atleast after my criterias

 

And again neither 75 nor 100W is midrange. And as I said before there is no guarantee that 75W TDP card would draw less power than 100W TDP card, so it may very well be that 680M allegedly 75W card will be your '50 dB jetengine' and 7970M its quiet counterpart.

 

I don`t care about power consumption and I haven`t even mentioned it. The 680M could draw 200W for all I care. I am also looking for a notebook with Optimus/Enduro since battery life is only important for me when not gaming. So the GPU can draw all it want. But I want it to run fairly cool.

I wasn`t talking about 680M when I said midrange. I was talking general for OEMs like HP, Lenovo etc that doesn`t do 570M or 680M or 6970M etc.

Asus G-series for example only features 460M/560M/660M and now 670M. They don`t go over 75W. Partly because of the price premium of higher end GPUs, but also because they want to continue with their very quiet designs. I want something like that, but with the power of P4900+. And from the looks of it, I might get that dream come true.

 

why would someone buy a high performance gaming laptop when his main goal is low power consumption? im with cloudfire on this, i dont care about power consumption, it won't make my laptop crash but overheating will.

if you're traveling and need your laptop power to last long thats why there are extra laptop batteries available for purchase.

 

Exactly, plus I won`t be gaming on battery anyways

 

Cloud, 7870M and 660M look to be the kind of chip you are after, very svelte and efficient designs.

 

7970M is fairly cool.

And again, neither of these cards are midrange, unless you have your own definition of what middle is.

From what I know G-series are marketed as gaming notebooks and in the world of GAMING notebooks performance is the most important thing. By portraying 100W TDP card being as loud as jet and at the same time claiming that 75W is quiet as whisper is just fooling yourself. Both cards can be quiet or loud depending on who designs the laptop. In regular use (not crazy benchmarking), everything else being equal, I have a hard time believing that there will be such a noticeable difference in their noise or temperatures as you are trying to show.
Here is M17x with 580M
Review Alienware M17x R3 GTX 580M i7-2820QM Notebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews
and the same laptop with 460M
Review Alienware M17x R3 (GTX 460M, i7-2630QM) Notebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

580M noise output was 43/45.9dB, while 460M - 46/48.1dB with power load of 162 W vs 122 W.
So which card sounds like jet now?

 

7970m is the better choice even for power consumption because you barely even have to overclock to max a game and have playable fps.

 

How come no one is talking about CF on this beastly 7970m?

 

Do you even read what I post? I HAVEN`T SAID 570M, 680M etc was midrange. I said that HP and Lenovo have notebooks with midrange GPUs. God please read before you respond.

I know that its up to each notebook OEM to make a cooling system that is more quieter which they didn`t with the two reviews you shoved me, but its a LOT more likely to find a quieter one with cooler GPU. Like the example I just gave you about G-series which are exceptional. Do you really think they could have kept the same low RPM with the fans with 7970M? No.

And no, 7970M isn`t fairly cool. Its 100W TDP, and is as cool as the system makes it. It looks to me that Dell have ramped up the fans with R4 compared to R3 with 6990M/580M to make up for the heat. But anyways, a lower TDP GPU will run cooler anyways.

It is difficult to find a notebook that have both the power and the satisfying noise ratio. Since G-series have only 75W GPUs, there is a good chance that they might include 680M if it is 75W. Or any other OEM that doesn`t do 100W GPUs. But that also greatly depends on the price of this GPU.
End of discussion

Nah, they are too weak. They are indeed cool, especially the 7870M (32W legit?). I was earlier looking at 570M but thought I should see what the 28nm will bring since there absolutely will be better performance but with the same TDP. The 7950M seems like a good candidate too.

But here I am repeating the same over and over again. Off to bed

 

What was your point of bringing up Asus G-series when you were talking about midrange cards? It's a gaming laptop and should be compared to other gaming laptops and not Lenovo.

You don't know what they could or couldn't do. I assume you didn't design this laptop so it's nothing more but your guessing.
And about this comparison of 460M and 580M in M17x that I posted earlier Alienware managed to put 580M where 460M was and the noise level didn't increase at all. So claiming that Asus couldn't do this is a little presumptuous.

The only thing that I can agree with - everything in life is a compromise.

 

Review of Alien R4 with 7970M
Test Alienware M17x R4 Notebook - Notebookcheck.com Tests

 

be right back, let me sign up for German A101 for next semester, i'll get back with my thoughts about it later.

 

I just ordered a Panther 2.0 with CF 7970ms, will let you know how sexy it is whenever it gets built <3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0hWRW3dGAU

 

make sure to get some bikini shots with the 7970m twins.

 

wed definitely talk more about CF if there were any systems with it out there

 

Source:

Nvidia GTX 680M to launch at Computex? | Hardware.Info United Kingdom

 

Just more reposts.

 

That was posted on Friday, and I haven't see it posted anywhere in this thread ,so I figured it was new info. If not, I'm sorry.

 

Heh, they are all reporting on the same info we had a while back, if it scores 4800 ish then it really is a case of not bothering at that point lol.

 

Meaker what is the eta on your 7970m ?

 

hm, i think you guys should really push them to deliver now!
just got the info from my clevo reseller (schenker) that my system with 7970m will be delivered next week.
i don't get it how it can take so long to test those cards, especially as so many have already been shipped to you...

 

All of these stupid 680M leakers need to realize that we only care about the GPU score.

 

I won't be surprised if the 680M ends up being more expensive than the 7970M, regardless if it performs better or worse. They seem to be going with 4gb of memory for a big reason and I'm guessing its to justify the "premium" over its competitor and rights to say they're the first to offer 4gb of video card memory (when anything over 2gb at this point is useless when playing on a laptop screen)

 

So for those of us that need CUDA for certain programs, are we pretty much screwed out of using any AMD offering?

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Well AMD doesn't have CUDA, so......

 

Here was my point in bringing up the G-series...
Here is the Asus G74SX with GTX 560M.
Find me a notebook with 580M or 6990M with the same sound measurements since that is what I`m looking for. If you do, I will gladly say I was wrong. I don`t care if 580M is able to run at 46dB, since I think that is too high for me.

I will help you save time. You won`t find any notebooks with this sort of quiet cooling. Why? Because the heat from 580M and 6990M is too hot to be run by fans at this low RPM that Asus notebooks are known for. Which is why I am looking for GPUs with 75W max because they might get implemented inside notebooks that have sort of quiet cooling.

Your example is the worst. 45.9 dB for 580M and 48.1dB for 460M with the same notebook means that they will probably use the freaking same cooling system. I can find several notebooks with 460M/560M(like the Asus) that have much lower noise than that, which makes your whole argument moot.
Since the 680M could be 75W TDP and be 30% better than 580M, I might have a chance finding it inside these low noise notebooks.

Just deal with the fact that some people focus on the whole picture, not just raw power.
I`m done with this conversation. Time to move on

 

This is the latest rumor about Kepler today...
Wonder if its true or just BS from the author... OUCH if true

NVIDIA To Recall all GeForce GTX 600 Series Cards? | VideoCardz.com

 

ouch indeed, that would be a huge blow to nvidia! at least they wouldnt have to recall that many cards cuz of the bad availability

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hahaha yeah true. Atleast there is something positive about the bad yields

 

LOL @ Nvidia.

If that is true, expect them to lose a huge chunk of market share and stock drop.

 

^^I agree. All in all, it is now ever-increasingly seemingly evident that ATI is really rocking the graphics house this year!!

 

fail for nvidia, win for the consumer who now wants to try and trash his or her card free of charge. and get full refund to go buy a 7970...

i think i may go rent one from frys today...

 

hahaha, let the overvolting/benching OF DEATH begin!!!

 

poor nvidia :[ wah

 

Amazing, you just proved my point that both cards (75W and 100W TDP) using similar cooling system result in similar noise output. Everything else is your assumption.
And btw, I am focusing on the whole picture.
I have a very powerful gaming laptop with the most powerful (and a very real) mobile videocard that can play any game I want while being as quiet as my other laptops and desktop instead of looking for a "holy grail" vaporware card that may or may not exist.

 

Funny how the article lead to a AMD love fest in this thread

@rorkas: Yeah I`m done with you. After explaining it to you 3 or 4 times you still don`t understand a single bit. Have a nice day

 

The same way how a thread criticizing Xotic PC turned into a Xotic PC Fan club thread.

 

Well at least bad news is better than no news at all, no? And remember it is still just a rumor. Otherwise I could not picture myself being the owner of any of those cards @.@.