AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

so whats a np8150 go for now?

2630qm
6990m
1080p stock
8gb ram
500gb hd

6 months left on war.

estimates? im thinking of selling

 

^^ why don't you just buy a 7970M and install yourself, resell the 6990M? In all likelihood, the 7970M will work.

I highly doubt 680M will be a flop given how efficient Kepler is. We really won't know until we see what the desktop 660 can do and at what power levels. Nvidia did a dumb thing by rebranding themselves out of so many model numbers just to compete with AMD's 7xxx series.

Technically now if you buy alienware. Sager has may ETA. I don't think Asus will use this card. They've yet to use a 100W GPU so far.

 

Anyone with a 6990m or 580m really doesn't need an upgrade at all. Some want it for benching, but for gaming it is basically a waste of money, you can count the use cases on 1 hand where a 7970m will be noticeably better than the last gen top GPUs.

I think in general, if getting the most value is a concern, skipping at least 1 generation is always a good idea. I expect the 780m to be at least twice as fast as the 580m.

 

Considering the hd7970m is almosy twice as fast already.. It should be more. Hopefully. And current high end gpus do help max most games but not at super fluid frames yet. This is where these new gpus from both amd and nvidia come from.

And yes i also agree that waiting 1gen is best. My hd5870m served me well but an upgrade is due.

 

will a 580M work properly in my Sager NP8850?

 

My 580m scores 4000-4300 GPU score at stock voltage, with an overvolt and max OC I could push that closer to 5000. The 7970m is getting 6000, I haven't seen OC, but it is not twice as fast, about 50% faster at the stock settings, which is very respectable, I was expecting around 30% faster for this generation.

Obviously it all depends, but I would say BF3 and The Witcher 2 are the most demanding games I have played, and I run them at the standard ultra spec (with things like ubersampling disabled of course) at an average of 45 FPS with adaptive Vsync (which FYI I have found makes a huge difference, my average used to be 30 with regular vsync), since I always use Vsync 60 is the max I will ever see, and the 7970m would hit 60 in those games, but 15 more FPS on a few games just doesn't seem worth it to me.

That was why I said the use cases are extremely limited that even show a noticeable difference between the cards, I can't readily think of even 5 games that don't run at 60 FPS maxed on the 580m.

If you are buying a new laptop clearly the 7970m or the 680m are the cards to get, the 675m is really a joke in terms of being more expensive and competing with cards that are MUCH faster. However, if you have a top end GPU now the value just isn't there for an upgrade.

If I was buying I would definitely wait to see the 680m. In the desktop space Nvidia is much more efficient per watt, so the 680m could easily be a good bit faster than the 7970m and with the better drivers and features offered by Nvidia it could be clearly better.

 

Just wait and see how the GTX 670 is compared to 7870. Then we might get the answer on how GTX 680M will be vs 7970M.
GTX 670 is coming out May 10th. But 680M isn`t coming out until mid summer so for people looking for a replacement ASAP, 7970M is the way to go
http://videocardz.com/32150/geforce-gtx-670-to-be-released-on-may-10th

 

care to link your benchmark results? I'm curious on how you were able to get such high scores.

 

Aw wont ship till end of may either

 

I guess I didn't realize those were high scores, at least the 4000-4300 scores. I don't actually number chase, I was just testing my system after I got it. I don't have any link, and I don't even have 3DMark11 installed anymore, but I can describe my settings.

At my stable stock voltage OC of 740 core 750 memory I tested a few times just using the standard settings on 3DMark11 with 1080p resolution and got scores between 4000-4300 for the GPU score. With an overvolt I can easily hit 840 core and that will get me scores close to 5k. I run at 740 all the time for normal use, which as I have mentioned gets average 45 FPS in BF3 at the ultra preset with no deferred AA and high post processing AA.

I do all of this with a custom VBios made using Svet's tuner that removes the throttles and sets the speeds.

 

Well let's talk stock. A 580M gets closer to 3100-3200. It appears that the
7970 is closer to 6000. The little benchmarks we have right now are stock.

So comparing apples to apples that is around 100% better.

And of course someone will oc the 7970 too and then it will double your
oc stats.

 

Truly? I guess I will have to take your words on that. A shame you didnt submit your score to the leaderboard

 

Uhh, again, my scores, and the Futuremark chart itself shows the 580m at stock to be 3600 GPU score. At stock settings mine is in the 3500 range.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M Review - Performance

The best Apples to Apples comparison is right here: Best Graphics Cards April - 2012

It shows GPU scores for basically every GPU tested with 3DMark11. It should get the 7970m pretty shortly, and then we can really directly compare.

I am pretty sure 3DMark11 would not let me submit it because of Optimus and it couldn't verify hardware or something? I don't remember all the details, but I really didn't care enough to mess with it, if it had let me submit it I just would have used it as a signature or something. Again, at the time I did this, like 3 months ago, I checked the benchmark thread in the M17x forum and my scores did not seem out of place at all.

EDIT: Maybe you have to buy the software to submit? I didn't buy it, that might be it. Again, I don't remember the circumstances.

 

I misread this as well. Thought you were saying 4000 Ov/Oc.

If your saying that is your stock performance I would really like to
see some stats as well.

 

That is stock voltage at 740 core 750 memory.

 

3DMark11
GRAPHICS score of 580M is around 3300.
GRAPHICS score of 7970M is 6000.

 

@ YodaGoneMad
Mate i had the 580M paired with a 2760qm in a P150HM and stock it scores between 3100-3200.
Notebookcheck GPU Charts
Those charts are pretty accurate.
The results you linked are some weird OC results. You can OC the 7970M just as you can OC the 580M.
So compare stock to stock and the 7970M clearly scores 100% more.

 

oh boy, got some interesting news in the pipeline today.

Expect a delay in the 680m while they try and crank the clocks. I think they were caught off guard by all this

 

Even nvidia boast kepler is 2x performance per watt.

 

So on the Futuremark website, where they list the GPU Score, is that a PScore? This may be the crux of our misunderstanding, I am talking about GPU score which I thought was graphics scores. All of my numbers are what was listed as GPU score on my benchmarks and on the 3DMark site.

They say: 3DMark GPU Score: 3640
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M Review - Performance

I can get mine at 740 core to report a GPU score of upwards of 4300, and at 840 a GPU score in the 4600-4800 range.

 

Slickdude made a good point in another thread. lets forget synthetic benchmarks and focus on the games themself

MINIMUM framerates in games are over double for some games

edit. oops hi Slick ill quit posting for you in here now

 

LOL...its ok KCE, i think we are all excited about this new card. Nothing like a new vid card to spruce up forum traffic lol

 

I have no idea. On the top there they say "GPU score", in the graph they say the same score but now its "3DMark11 score". I don`t know but this review says 3300 for graphics score. Notebookcheck says also 3200ish so I think futuremark is quoting P score. Confusing

4300++ graphics score sounds like a pretty nice overclock. Hopefully GTX 680M and 7970M will overclock pretty good aswell.
Is the 840 GPU core stable?

 

the only way you get 4300 is at least 750+mhz on 580m

 

Synthetic benchmarks do give you a good idea of the cards performance relative to the other offerings. Same benchmarks with same settings show roughly 100% improvement over the 6990M and 580M so the gaming benchmarks should reflect that. Noone is saying benchmarks are what we want to use our hardware for but it can be fun and getting such high numbers we could only dream of until recently should make the owners feel good right slick ?

 

@slick can u tell us where u got your card from?

 

he put 740 core its a nice oc.

 

It is benchmark stable, I don't want to overvolt full time so I haven't used it since my initial testing and never for gaming. I ran like 3 runs of 3DMark11 and some Heaven at those speeds and never had it crash.

I have had really good luck with the Futuremark chart, and it has lined up with the scores I got reported to me for my system, so I trust them, those other scores just seem inordinately low, I never got below 3500 on mine, even at stock. But again, it may just be that I am not comparing the same scores as you guys.

I am using whatever Futuremark calls their GPU Score, which could be who knows what. Doesn't matter a whole lot, even if they are P-Scores Slick got just a bit over 6000 P-score, versus my 4000+ whatever score. At least for my case the 7970m looks about 50% faster than what I run right now and everything I said earlier before the score confusion still holds for me. In the future the 7970m will start to have real advantages, but today, and for the foreseeable future, I don't see that the extra performance adds more than some minor FPS improvements in a few games. By the time you need that extra performance to actually run some games there will be even faster cards that put the 7970m to shame.

 

I am at 740, and I never got 4300, I just got scores in that range between 4000-4300. I don't have the specific numbers, I just know I never saw a 43XX score, it was always 42XX or lower.

 

lol...ya it does feel good lol

But i have a more practical reason to get this card.

I just played Witcher 2 @ 1080p, ULTRA, 4xAA and it was completely smooth. I'm going to run through with fraps after dinner and give you guys a fps number. It was so smooth, i think i can crank it to 8xAA

ya, that's what i figured you were around...its a good score for the 580m

 

Lol 580M, rest in peace.

 

These are very exciting time! I started looking around for a new laptop a couple of weeks ago, and it looks like it might be a fantastic time to get one!

 

this is the time !

 

Called it

 

Words can't describe my excitement. I tried to purchase around the first of the month, but the 675m's were back ordered at malibal through the 28th. Seems like that was fate pushing me back even further, I took it to mean I should cancel and go for IB chips, but now...

Well, let's just say now I'll likely be purchasing my first AMD card

 

I really hope AMD announce 7950M too tomorrow
And that 7970M is a 80W TDP

One time!!11

 

I want new AW too , but sad thing they offer it with SB not IB
7970 real monster

 

IB is only going to give you a small processing bump, and a bit better bat life., its big advantage is the Intel 4000 can now match a 4 year old dedicated GPU or get kicked by a cheap Llano APU. why worry?

 

I think it's possible that the actual TDP of the 7970M might be closer to the 6970M than 100w. I've done some quick research on this and I noticed that the 6850 (what the 6970M was based off of) had a peak consumption of 109 watts. The 7870 (what the 7970M is based off of) has a peak of 114w according to the same source (I'm ignoring the maximum power draw because that's mostly testing the PCB's capacity rather than the die itself and MXM PCBs is designed much differently than desktop PCBs). So there is only about a 5w difference on the desktop side of things. The 6970M is 88% and 90% respectively of the 6850's Core and Memory while the 7970M is 85% and 100% of the 7870's Core and Memory. A 100mhz difference shouldn't matter too much in terms of power consumption, at least compared to Core speed. So if the 6970M was 80-85w, the 7970M should be around the same, maybe a bit more. Voltage would really determine that, though.

Also, Dell also lists the GTX 660M as a 75w card. Considering the specs (based on what I've read in these forums), it should be more like 60w at most.

I think those Dell ratings are just estimations rather than actual, on-point numbers. The 580M and the 6990M are rated the same, but I know for a fact that the 580Ms consume more power than the 6990Ms...

 

can someone post some websites to configure/ buy clevos, sagers and etc?

thanks!

 

I'm too lazy to post specific sites because that information is readily available but any found here will work Reseller Feedback Forum

 

Great research, that sounds awesome. 7870 run cooler than 6850 too. 80W would have been great, maybe within my limits, but if its 80W then the 7950M will be 60-75W and 580M x 10ish% performance maybe

 

Cloud it's very likely you will be able to undervolt the 7970M and clock it under a bit to get good results on power.

 

Looking at the desktop 7000 series it's highly unlikely that you're going to be able to undervolt the card per vbios mod.

 

geez...i've had Nvidia all my life, so let's see what the 680 offers. if the AMD 7xxx series is better then my first AMD GPU purchase will be 2 7xxx GPUs xfire'd.

 

what about overvolt?

 

Why does 7970m costs 100$ more than 675m in NP9170? Is it a whole lot better than 675m? ( Newb Question )

 

Please actually read the thread you post in....

/Facepalm

 

lol...ONLY $100 is a steal. That's a dollar for every percentage increase in performance over the 580/675

 

Know how you feel I'm in the same boat. Doesn't help that nvidias prices on high end silicon are huuuge