AMD 7970m vs GTX 680m

He simply forgot to check off Physics.

 

anyone own 7970 and run demanding games like BF3,both Crysis or Witcher2 ?

 

Along with Skyrim these are the four games I play most. I play crysis 2 maxed at 1080p, shading is dropped one notch as it seems to drop the fps 10 to 20% without making much difference to visuals. Fps is generally 45-50 outdoors, 60 indoors. One or two areas on the biggest outdoor campaign sections fps is mid 30's. In these particular areas it seems to be the most demanding game in terms of fps.

Battlefield 3 max 1080p is 45-50+ fps. Looks and plays incredible.

Witcher 2 in terms of looks is my favourite runs around 60 fps (I use V-sync so wouldnt know if it was goin much above this) majority of the time. Drops to 50+ sometimes, mid 40's at the lowest. Just my opinion but it's the best looking game I've ever seen, and running at 60fps maxed (no ubersampling) 1080p. Clocks are 1400, 935 temps are almost always below 70. Played this on a gtx 460m previously.

Anything else you want to know?

 

fantastic

i am not able to play witcher2 on my gtx460 stock
min settings and I am below 30fps

 

the eon 17-s will be my first gaming laptop... my first normal laptop was a crappy acer extensa 5620. D:

-EDIT- er... p170EM...my mistake-

 

So there is only a 200 point score difference on 3dmark11 between 7970m and 680m yet the 680m cost an extra 300 dollars.

I don't have a money tree growing in my backyard and I'm replacing 2 gpu's. Just no way I'm spending an additional 600 dollars on top of the 7970m upgrade price for a few hundred points of a difference. More power to all of you that have infinite money and can waste it like that.

 

there isn't even proper driver support so these scores are not set in stone

From the benchmarks I've seen, it seems that the 680m and 7970m perform around the same level

but you can always justify the higher price if you're a fan of a certain company...

 

damn those fanboys. I base all my decisions on getting the best product for the best price regardless what company it is. Like when the iphone 4 came out I bought that to replace my samsung galaxy s I android phone as the iphone 4 was without a doubt the best at the time. I'm replacing my iphone 4 with the galaxy s3 as I feel the S3 will be the best phone this year. Android to apple and back to android again. Performance for price spent is all that should matter to anyone not brands.

 

For Witcher 2 I overclocked my gtx 460m, dropped the resolution to 900p and customised settings and it ran about 30fps. The 7970m flies with this game at 1080p

 

what cpu You have? better cpu will make gpu work better?

 

I got a bit better performance than that with the gtx 460m and a i7-740 cpu which is slower than yours.Overclocked it with MSI afterburner, 900p with a mixture of mostly medium settings about 30fps. Make sure ubersampling is off and try tweaking the other settings- should run better than it has been for you. The 7970m flies with this game

 

Makes me feel a bit more comfortable.

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That's the laptop I have now lol it is vary crappy

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Well I agree with the first statement, but I don’t think it is in accordance with the last one… Best product isn’t only about performance, in my opinion best product is: best support, best driver, best features, best power management, and best performance for your needs/games (since high end cards perform so similarly). I think this Nvidia vs. AMD is just like the Intel vs. AMD cpu thing, Intel is more expensive but better overall and AMD has better price/performance, and usually everyone goes Intel eyes closed and are not called Intel fanboy!! In the end it is your budget that makes your buy and you justify it as you want… Who has the money and are willing to pay more for more overall buys the GTX 680M who wants to keep the budget low and get almost the same with lower price buys the 7970M… I also think that two GTX 680M would be t$$ much, but if you have the money, again, go for it since AMD driver support isn’t very good and Xfire and SLI are all about drivers and it could ruin your investment over a single card. Cheers

 

AMD vs Intel
AMD vs Nvidia

Very, VERY different dynamics and not comparable.

Neither Nvidia or AMD have released official drivers for their 6 or 7 series respectively yet so commenting on the differences in dual card scaling is maybe a little premature.

The 6990M actually beat the 580M in scaling.

 

I can't see why it is not the same competition....
Also about the 580m and 6990m I found these reviews (exactly same machine) and they doesn't represent what you said.... Again the same price/performance talking... Cheers
Radeon HD 6990M Or GeForce GTX 580M? : GeForce GTX 580M SLI Vs. Radeon HD 6990M CrossFire
Review GeForce GTX 580M SLI vs. Radeon HD 6990M CF - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

 

AMD graphics release - Fastest in the world, price premium, massive critical acclaim.

AMD CPU release (Bulldozer) - Slower than their last product, lower price introduction, massive failure.

I'm sorry how do you find these things remotely the same?

Also you proved my point, the gap between the 6990M single card and the 580M was larger than the 6990M crossfire and 580M SLI.

 

Okay, I'm not going to add much to the discussion because I still undecided about whether to keep my 7970M R4 (as if the 680M is better I can afford the price and I LOVE PhysX - makes gaming more emmersive to me).

I will say this, the 7970M (with no official AMD driver support, remember) is one HECK of a card at stock clocks. Plays Crysis (unoptimized) on Max/ 4x AA at roughly a 35fps average when I had the FRAPS counter on.

So if you can't justify the Nvidia pricetag, don't hesitate get the 7970M.

 

am not talking about the last launch from the manufactures I am talking about historically competition between them, it is the same, if AMD last cpu launch was a fail it doesn’t change the scenario that it competes with INTEL being the budget solution with almost the same performance and less yield, just like on the graphics competition…
And actually I didn’t prove since the charts from tom’s hardware show the difference between single cards also and are not much higher than in dual cards… So not a proof of better scaling in my opinion…
Actually just did the math and in single 580 is 6% better and in dual it is 8% better than counterpart, so AMD does not have a better scailing... sorry

I agree
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So, let me get this straight: if I prefer something that you don't agree with then I'm a fanboy, yet constantly defending the choice of going with AMD no matter what is not being one. Let's just leave the word 'fanboy' out of this.

For the sake of the discussion, I, too, have an iPhone 4. I don't have any other Apple product, yet I have an iPhone 4 because I made my research and made an educated decision. And so far I've been more than happy with it. It got complete support from developers, AAA mobile games were being (and still are) released to it months before the Android, if at all, and everything was just what I wanted and expected it would be.

Not that I'm in any way comparing, but you can get perfectly well to your destination with a sedan, so why people buy sport cars? There are more values to a product than straightforward usability (again, I'm NOT comparing AMD to a sedan). You can't just enforce your personal preferences on others, especially when it comes to buying an expensive entertainment equipment.

And let's face it, it's not as if the 7970M costs cents and dimes, here. What you're basically saying is that a Ferrari is a much better purchase than a Lamborghini, because it costs few thousand dollars less.

 

^^ I think the Ferrari is the better purchase period lol

ANyways, the 7970m vs 680m debate will never end because you can bring up justification to get either card

The facts are slowly emerging though...we have lots of 7970m data now and the info on the 680m is slowly coming to light

The bottomline for me is if the 680m doesn't overclock well, the card is dead for me. I've already mentioned a few times on this thread about my concerns with the low bandwidth and 900mhz vram on the 680m so i won't rehash it. Granted, my desktop SLI 670's overclock amazingly so I wait with unabated breath for my card.

Another thing that bugs me now is the 4gigs of vram. That is so unnecessary as it will never be used...They could have just put 2gigs of ram on and dropped a price a tad. however, as seen with the nvidia 3gig cards, the vram doesn't clock well, so here's hoping that the 4gigs of vram on the 680m doesn't hold it back

if nvidia is smart, they will drop the 680m price to say $100 over 7970m...Then it would make it an easier buying decision. i think most people have a hard time justifying almost $300 in the US and $360+ in EU....and gawd only knows what Alienware is going to charge for these cards, but it is almost assured that it will be more than the almost $300 that sager resellers are quoting in the US

 

Manufacturers play with the stock clocks all the time. There are many examples of this, I'll use the Sony Vaio CW I had last year.

It utilized an Nvidia 330M. Nvidia clocks the core clock at 575MHz, while Sony clocked it down to 475MHz. The Kepler Turbo is stock. That's how it comes from the factory.

 

Oh, it was an easy decision for me to justify - I configured a few laptops in major Clevo resellers in here with the 7970M and came up only roughly 50-100 Euros less than a configured one with a 680M, so I just took the plunge.

Anyway - it's quite cloudy and rainy in here, I like it

 

well sure, if u downgrade enough other components then its only a 50-100 € upgrade from 7970M to 680M

 

Ummm, you can roll your eyes until tomorrow, but no, they were identically specced. 750 Momentus XT, 8GB RAM, Win 7, 3610QM. This reseller also offered 2 years of warranty on top of it all.

Later I found it that you pay for that low price with item availability, and I might get the laptop later than I wanted, but I went ahead with it anyway.

 

Your discount is not atypical of the online reseller pricing right now. How did you pull that off considering most are charging around $300 more for the 680m?

 

Hey Guys - Iv been following most of your discussion ever since I was researching my recent purchase. Many of you know your s#it so goodwork!

Anyway - a little bit of fuel to the fire if you follow the link. How creditable it is... I dont know.
Gaming benchmarks 7970m vs 680m
AMD HD 7970m vs Nvidia GTX 680m - YouTube

 

Monster Notebooks, a turkish Clevo reseller, is taking $148 more for GTX 680M than 7970M

Monster

 

Actually right now I'm in Colorado not Texas haha

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10.7% over 7970M. Not far (4% more) from what I think will be the case. Just wait and you`ll see

Oh, In that case I`d switch house with you ASAP. Always wanted to visit Colorado with its rocky mountains

 

i picked the base config but added the 680m and got this price:

4.826,20 TL KDV Dahil

what is that in US dollars?

 

2GB GDDR5 AMD® Mobility Radeon HD7970M 256-Bit DX11 (Temmuz –Eylül 2012 Teslim) [Ekle 1.320,00 TL]
4GB GDDR5 nVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 680M 256-Bit DX11 (Temmuz - Eylül 2012 Teslim) [Ekle 1.590,00 TL]

Difference of 270 Turkish Lira. Which is $148.

1 Turkish lira = 0.549813 U.S. dollars
So 4826 TL would be $2653

 

They're called Deviltech, and just so you'll better understand why the low price - they only got the 675M on June and started shipping it to customers last week. Looks like I'll be lucky if I'll get the machine before September..

Plus, the overall pricing in the EU suck. I wish I could be living in the states, I would have gotten a 7970M for sure by now and would be more preoccupied playing Skyrim rather than arguing with people on forums

Edit: I also ran the numbers on google and got to $2653. Oh, man! paying that sum for a such a laptop is robbery!

 

If I'm right it's ~2646 USD.

Edit: lool beaten to it!

And yeah laptop prices in EU is a lot higher than in US. Here in norway an clevo P150EM with i7 3720QM, 8gig memory, FHD matte screen, 750Gb 5400rpm HDD and HD7970M is 2600 USD. Add another 367 USD for GTX680M.

 

You can still order notebooks from the US man. I do it every time I purchase a notebook. Money saved. Only problem is if you have some sort of problems with your notebook, you have to ship it back to US. But then again, with my Asus I have worldwide warranty which means I can just ship the notebook to the nearest repair shop here in Norway. But knock on wood, never had any problems with my last 3 purchases from US
Only thing I miss is the keys "Æ" "Ø" "Å" which most people here probably don`t know what is

 

Darn! The prices are bad over there. Is that the total cost? Is there shipping, tax?

SEPT?? Jeez man

 

Thanks, I know, but the 19% customs in here makes this whole thing not worthwhile. It will eventually cost more than just buying it here, plus the whole thing would be a pain to RMA, if needed.

I don't speak the language that well yet, so I'm actually fine with the US/UK based keyboards for the time being
In fact, that's mainly why I ordered from Deviltech, since they offer a US/UK keyboard and English-based Win7 for no extra charges. Other resellers around here do charge for them, unfortunately.

 

Prices are generally including taxes for the country it's sold in. Shipping price not included.

 

Exactly. Well, you know what they say: you get what you pay for...

 

deviltech? thats where i got my machine from! i didnt see them offering the 7970m yet,not even for preorders since they just got the 675m in. did u get that quote thru email?

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I went for the 680M, they were the first here to offer it as pre-order since roughly the beginning of June. Who knows when they'll actually get it, though.

 

just checked and yeah theyre listing it now, but the 680M is a whopping 340€ upgrade from the 675M! what makes u think thats just 50-100€ over the 7970M (especially since theyre not even offering the AMD GPU at all? ) besides, schenker, had the 680M listed before deviltech, and theyre offering it for 300€ more than the AMD card.
did u get a special quote or something? i really dont get that 50-100€ difference u mentioned before...

 

deviltech mentioned on facebook that they won't offer any AMD GPU in the near future. Nvidia only

 

Actually, no, schenker offered it only two, maybe three days ago, as far as I remember. I know, because I constantly checked and I would have went with them, instead.

Please go ahead and try it now yourself:

Configure at either Hawkforce, Schenker, NotebookGuru or any of your favorite German reseller the following:

1. 3610QM
2. 8GB RAM
3. 750GB XT Momentus Hybrid HDD
4. 2 Years warranty
5. US/UK keyboard + English based Win 7 Home 64bit (if no other alternative, just pick Win 7 Home 64 bit)
6. 7970M
....
7. Oh, also, no cheating - pick all the necessary silly stuff they leave out of the order, like a wireless card + bluetooth and the like

Then please tell me the sum you've got.

 

you'll get the lowest price @ deviltech for sure, still i've heard from many guys having problems with their notebooks and especially with the service (so it's not all just bad press after all)
of course there are happy customers too (don't know about jaybees experience?) but all the negative feedback from friends made me spend 100€ extra and go with schenker

 

I know, I've read some of those too. I really didn't want to go with Deviltech, but they offered me stuff I couldn't find in other resellers (not without extra charges, anyway) + offered the 680M pre-order before all the others.

 

im getting 2,616$ when configuring at digital storm(with the 680m),2,303$ with the 7970m, and 2,198$ with the 675m ...might buy from them instead( i hope that origin pc will sell the panel separate...) Whatever the case, i wont be able to to actually buy anything untill maybe august/September, im sure the prices will drop by then.

(or atleast...i hope they will.)

 

thats not the point here, i know that deviltech is the cheapest german reseller, that was the main reason i chose them in the first place
the issue here is that ud get the 680M for a 50-100€ price upgrade vs. the 7970M. how did u arrive to that conclusion when deviltech doesnt even offer any AMD gpus anymore? or did u just chose the most expensive competitive 7970M config from another reseller and compared it to deviltech´s quote with the 680M? that wouldnt make sense since deviltech actually switched to MSI barebones whereas schenker & hawkforce still use Clevo´s thus totally different system were talking about here...

my experience with deviltech was alright to be honest. pricing is definitely the best but communication really isn´t. they take their time answering and not always to your satisfaction, tbh. as for service or RMA i wouldnt know since (god bless!) my machine hasnt had any trouble thus far. if i was going to buy a new machine right now id definitely go with schenker tho id have a more extensive peace of mind then

 

You're being a pain, without even trying what I've said.

No, I didn't choose the most expensive competition. What I actually did was gathering for a few months a large list of resellers from everywhere I could, then started configuring laptops for the past two weeks in all of them, one after the other. Then I checked for updates regarding the cards. Then I tried different configurations, changed that, removed that, the works.

What I'm trying to say is that I've made my research. Quite a bit of it, actually. But I really don't know why I feel the need to justify myself that much, so I'll stop now, and you can think whatever you like.

Edit (2): oh, their 'Fragbook' (the one I bought) is a Clevo. Their 'Hellfire' is the MSI (the one with the 650M). Again, I've made my research.

 

apparently not the pictures of the fragbook theyre showing is definitely a MSI barebone buddy, check for urself
and i never doubted that u checked and rechecked lots of different configs, but the question still stands: in which config did u see a 50-100€ difference between the 7970M and 680M in the same barebone with otherwise identical components? thats all i wanted to know no stress