AMD, where art thou?

Because they are. Look back at AMD's recent history. I believe they are their own worst enemy.

 

That's a trend now.
Except AMD was being it because chose wrong strategy moves at tight environment but what forces Nvidia now for being a jacka22?

 

And their execution is terrible.

Like I said, Nvidia is arrogant, starting with Jen-Hsun at the top. Listen to how he talks, and dude's always wearing leather jackets and skin-tight shirts on-stage to show off his muscles, like a douche.

 

Eh having been screwed by the 3.5GB 970 I can relate to the dislike of nVidia on a gut level. And as I pointed out, the decision to purchase a 980 Ti was a moral struggle, because I'm basically saying it's ok to screw me over since I'll still buy your crap anyway, which just feeds into the arrogance and blatant contempt for their own customers.

 

Then don't buy anything if you can't accept the lesser of two evils or the one that sucks less

 

Fair enough.

 

And this is why I still have not upgraded my 7970Ms

I won't give my hard earned dollars to mediocrity that is AMD, or give my money to the unethical monstrosity that is nVidia.

 

Well you do have a 780M SLI laptop

 

Well, there are only two options. If AMD doesn't offer a competitive card at the price range of your budget, what else can you buy other than Nvidia?

I wouldn't beat yourself up about this kind of decision.

 

It's what I told him before, but he still just hates nVidrosoft.

By the way, when you see me swap between nVidia and nVidrosoft in posts it's because I'm referring to the company at different points in time. Their recent actions have earned them the name nVidrosoft. Their actions about 2 years ago were pretty fine.

 

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth is all. Tbh I'm not even that mad at the 3.5GB per se since I don't 4K, but it's more how things were handled and the complete lack of any regret shown that pissed me off. I mean Jen-Hsun's "apology" was more along the lines of "you guys should be thankful we gave you an extra 0.5GB of usable ram!". The arrogance of that guy ugh. Oh and yeah the recent actions certainly don't help things one bit.

But as octiceps said, I did have the option of not buying anything, but I still did, so this one's on me.

 

I don't really see it that way. If I had the money a few months ago, I'd have put 980Ms in this and changed up my cooling AGES ago. If I get the money now, I'd put it toward a P870DM with two mobile 980s when they come out. There's no other option for power.

If you weren't willing to deal with SLI and still wanted the best gaming experience, the 980Ti was your only choice.

I get that it leaves a bad feeling in your mouth, but honestly, it'd leave a frustrating feeling in your brain later on when the Fury X hits its limits far far below that 980Ti of yours will.

 

I'm pretty sure the 980 Ti will hit its limits long before the Fury X does.

 

In about 4-5 years when DX12/Vulkan is in full swing? Sure. Now? No. Next year? No. Next two years? Most likely not. Next three years? Getting there, why don't you own Arctic Islands' Flagship or GP100 flagship yet?

 

Games are always made with the current vRAM amount/technology in mind. Granted HBM games (frequent requests, less cache) wont come very soon, but they are coming. DX12 and Vulcan are nice addition.

 

Because AMD drivers are like a fine wine, they only get better with age

 

He is a known NVIDIA fanboi... Was a well known fact around these parts around last year... Still seems to have it in...

Still better then **** drivers which stay **** and break displays

 

top kek

 

I was given a replacement with 780Ms, I didn't purchase it

 

Pretty sure you're confusing octiceps with Cloudfire. octiceps is not an nVidia fanboi by any stretch of imagination lol

Not sure what happened with Mr. Fox's machines exactly, but nVidia did have those drivers which killed cards because they turned off the fan

 

It's an inside job I tell ya! Put on yer tin foil hats, mateys!
Mr. Fox was complaining about how crap nVidia drivers were, so nVidia decided to send him a special driver which killed his GPUs...

 

FTFY

 

I was more referencing DX12 and Vulkan as D2 Ultima pointed out.

 

Well why don't you explicitly state and explain what you mean instead of relying on people to guess or infer. "I'm pretty sure the 980 Ti will hit its limits long before the Fury X does" is your typical blanket statement.

 

Problem with DX12 is it's tied to Win10, and I have absolutely no intention of downgrading upgrading to that invasive spyware platform anytime soon. That and in whatever benchmarks we do have the Fury X still isn't all that impressive.

 

I didn't think the screen crapping out had anything to do with the fan at all..? Was that the case?
@Mr. Fox

 

@n=1 was referring to a separate incident in the past regarding the Nvidia 196.75 driver that disabled the fan on some desktop graphics cards and fried them

 

FTFY*

That was back when we had nVidia, who actually sent out new cards. Not like nVidrosoft, who would play a guessing game of "who destroyed the hardware".

Also back when WHQL drivers meant something.

 

Windows 10 managed to switch on updates yesterday despite my earlier precautions , did update when I shut down and borked my UEFI bios. Cost me 1 hour of my life troubleshooting and had to reset the CMOS and all my settings . This level of control is Skynet to the max - absolutely overstepping. I'm upgrading back to W7 when I have the time. DX12 can go screw itself.

 

We already have to mod the vbios in order to get the most out of our hardware because nVidia caters to the lowest common denominator and also doesn't like giving out free performance. What's next, modded drivers so they don't throttle performance if they don't detect GFE is on your system, modded OS so we get back all the control that was taken from us?

And with Intel going full BGA retard on us, I wonder if "computer enthusiast" will even be a thing 10 years down the road.

 

BGAtel
nVidrosoft
Micro$haft

The top three enemies of PC users everywhere. Whether or not every user realizes it or not.

 

More like Macro$haft tbh, because Micro$haft wouldn't hurt (as much)

 

Well @n=1 that's hardly a stretch. We already suspect Nvidia spying on @j95's modded 980m drivers for AW, then locking things down on the next release. Nvidia are a real sneaky slimey bunch. It will only* take AMD a flagship GPU that's faster for me to switch teams and feel better about not condoning Nvidia filth. But something so simple might be too tall an order.

 

I think I am missing some context in the discussion here, but the Alienware and Clevo LCD problem is the EDID being corrupted on the display panel EEPROM. It has nothing to do with fans. Windoze OS X seems to have originally triggered the failures. It's fixable by flashing. All of my screens are alive and kicking again. Once the Windoze OS X cancer metastasizes on your laptop, it seems to create some kind of vulnerability. EVGA Precision X bricks the screens now... maybe the pixel overclocking utility, not sure what... but, never had that problem before the Windoze OS X cancer.

NVIDIA didn't kill any of my GPUs. They all work flawlessly unless I use their messed up drivers, which have been consistently messed up for every version after 345.20. If I use 345.20 or older, everything is peachy. Every release after that, they throttle to 405MHz core and 400MHz memory under full-tilt 3D load. And, it only does it with 780M when SLI is enabled. Really stupid... but, they claim to not have any idea why and cannot reproduce it, LOL. Funny that I can reproduce it on multiple machines using difference sets of 780M cards and every vBIOS (including stock Dell and Clevo vBIOSes).

 

10 years!! At this rate we'll be lucky if we have 10 more months. NVIDIA has also removed all previous driver versions from their site.

 

Spoiler: Wat

Don't get me wrong. I am the number 1 caller to bash nVidrosoft. But I won't bash them about something that they didn't do or aren't responsible for. Unless your lack of finding drivers is because you chose Windows 10 or something else odd in your search.

 

Yeah I made a remark that confused a few people, sorry about that.

^that's what I was referring to when I said nVidia drivers killed cards.

As for your situation, maybe you should make a video and plaster it all over their forums. Or hell maybe even send it to Linus LOL. At this point I'm convinced the only thing that can get nVidia off its ass is bad PR, and as we've seen with the 970 3.5GB issue, even then they might not do anything about it, and will just quietly ride out the storm.

 

I've been doing exactly those things. It doesn't seem to make any difference to them so far.

 

It's because it doesn't affect desktops. That's the long, short, wide, slim, front, back, up, down, inside, outside, etc of it. Simple. I said it in the nVidrosoft thread and I'll say it now: If that driver and windows 10 corrupted the ASUS ROG Swift monitor ALONE (no other monitor) we'd have had a driver fixing the problem and a formal apology IN UNDER A WEEK.

 

Because I was writing it in the context of my previous post. Sorry about that. No need to get offensive, mate.

They've already moved most of the Spyware crap down to Windows 8 and 7 through forced 'updates'. The only escape is Linux (Ubuntu doesn't count).
Which brings me to Vulkan. You're all so negative towards DX12 that y'all are seemingly forgetting that Vulkan even exists. In fact, it wouldn't be unreasonable to conjecture that Vulkan will actually be more relevant than DX12 a few years down the line, simply because of its openness and flexibility as an API. In either case, AMD will most likely benefit (seeing as how both of them, DX12 especially, reuse a lot of what AMD did with Mantle) however late that might be.

 

What forced updates? If you mean all those "important" telemetry updates and ones for "smooth upgrading process" I have them hidden and don't plan on touching any time soon.

As for Vulkan no I didn't forget about it, but so far all I'm getting is that that it's basically a Mantle/OpenGL redux hybrid. OpenGL was a miserable failure because of reasons. (wall of text, but a very informative read nonetheless) Historical issues aside, the major problem right now is that M$ is clearly hellbent on creating a walled garden, and is using DX12 to funnel gamers into the Win10 prison. Once adoption reaches a critical mass it'll just spread like cancer, because gamers are usually the beta testers early adopters, and if they report a positive experience it will help mainstream adoption. So I'm really not sure how much they're going to flex their muscles and put pressure on devs to NOT use a competing API.

Don't get me wrong I"m all for Vulkan taking off and duking it out with DX12, but I just think M$ has far too much clout to let that happen. I know this sounds crazy but I honestly hope DX12 is an abject failure, which would take away the one last saving grace that might convince some people to switch to Win10. If that turns out to be the case, then I could definitely see Vulkan rapidly gaining traction.

 

Vulcan looks like semi-clean sheet with semi Mantle/OpenGL in base. It seems like a progress of API which works on most OSes.
It has future because VALVE wants their SteamBOXes running. SteamOS + Vulcan may be the destination in one year with games on it in 2 years.

 

The only real way you can avoid Macro$haft spying on you is to move to Linux. Vulkan will hopefully boost Linux adoption, as it will work (theoretically) just as well on any OS, and there are a lot of gamers who haven't made the switch yet just because there aren't enough games on the platform.
If I remember correctly, the whole thing with Vulkan is that it recognizes the whole computer as one computing machine instead of fragments like GPU, CPU etc. and this would give it the advantage of assigning workloads in the most efficient way possible (oversimplification, but that should be the gist of it). This means that Vulkan will more often than not beat DX12 in performance across both NvidIntel and AMD platforms.

 

Sorry, that's a pipe dream. Call me a skeptic from years of OpenGL disappointment, but I'm not convinced that Vulkan will go mainstream, as in every AAA game will support it. It will still be relegated to indie titles, or the occasional AAA game 6-12 months after initial release. Direct3D will still be dominant.

Then there's the issue of performance and visual quality vs. DX12. Again, in the past OpenGL fared very poorly in this regard.

If Vulkan does go mainstream, then that gives gamers no reason to move from W7 to W10 or Linux.

 

Exactly, and I don't see Macro$haft allowing that to happen anytime soon.

Which is why I said I hope DX12 is an abject failure, which would force M$ to at least not be a complete dick about Vulkan, and make people think twice before jumping over.

 

Khronos told that Vulcan will be on desktops with Windows but it is the subject of vendor drivers (AMD and Nvidia) and not MS' will.

I wait with big causion because when I played L4D2 on Linux I saw not just performance drop (no AA was almost as fast as with 8 MSAA on Dx) but also a quality difference.
I doubt that you will be able to set same underground settings like TrSSAA and else in Nv Inspector but Vulcan is new so it's still a time to suggest this and triple buffering and other stuff for Vulcan developers so that they would tell this to AMD/Nvidia.

 

Hardware and software companies, no doubt along with the governments of the world, would like to get rid of the PC (Personal Computer) altogether. Think of M$ and Valve.

No more personal hardware or software, or owning a personal machine/tool of your own. You'll be assigned a "box" or "station" with you ID/Account tied to it and boy-howdy should you try to modify something or move out of line in any way you'll be banned. All the programs will be on their servers, you don't own a PC just a terminal. And no doubt you'll be forced to "upgrade"/exchange it for another one when they say so. You won't be doing ANYTHING involving a computer without some kind of online account. No P2P, no LINUX, no selling/trading your hardware or games, no more PC.

(On a larger note, governments would like to treat all peoples of the world the same way: No more "personal liberty", you're assigned a number/NID-Card and you can be declared "unperson" at the push of a button. No ownership of anything or obsolete "rights" of any kind, just dispensed privilege's.)

Signed up here because I haven't upgraded in over a decade, but I'm debating if it is even worth it with the Steam-style DRM, NSA-ware OS's and the moving away from quality (no more CRTs). Games don't look interesting anymore either.

/rant

 

Quality of games are unprecedented. The game mechanics are also unprecedented. Though they have become dumb down and no longer is your imagination required. It's all just fed to the player, I'll admit. But to say games don't look interesting any more is just weird. The Witcher 3 for example. Metal Gear Solid V, Grand Theft Auto V, Pillars of Eternity, Dark Souls 2, Talos Principle.

As for no more Linux? That's hogwash, more servers run Linux than any other OS. I would imagine there are more software development on Linux as well. I know when I do simple crap like website related, I use Linux. I plan to learn Python and I will certainly NOT be using windows for that. When I compile and fidget with Android, I definitely do not use Windows.

MS is not getting rid of personal computing. They just want some of the action and they are doing it smart. The market is in mobile devices, tablets. So they are making tablet PCs, I think the Surface tab and Surface book are the way to go for MS. No point in competing in actual desktops, that they will lose, it's over-saturated. Whereas their Surface devices are actually at the forefront, they are the leader in that market. iPad Pro is not a substitute for Surface. And Google's Pixel C will not be a competitor to a full fledged Surface Tab/Book. Though I will be getting a Pixel C over Surface since I already own a laptop.

You can log into Windows 10 with offline ID. You don't have to use their cloud services.

Steam is awesome. It is a DRM yes, but it's an invisible one. It doesn't impact performance, it's really no different than using a CD Key, except your game keys are stored online, which is convenient. It's not an invasive DRM, it's not Sony or Denuvo. Denuvo is idiotic since you're already using a DRM, Origin platform. It's asinine.

Also if you are worried about uninteresting games and DRM service like Steam... There is GoG. GoG is a no DRM service that also provides software to manage all your games like Steam, and the games they sell are usually of the more interesting. Like Pillars of Eternity or The Witcher 3, just example. They don't have the mindless games like COD.

 

So here's a thing I came across on Reddit.

Fury X is now just as fast as GTX 980Ti in 1080p/1440p and faster in 4K

I hope this a sign that AMD's driver team is shaping up.

 

It's still stock vs stock. A stock 980Ti with its guaranteed +300MHz OC or something like the Zotac AMP! Extreme which has a 1329MHz core clock AT STOCK will beat the most that people get out of Fury X cards (~1120MHz)