ATI 5000HD details leak -UPDATED

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 details leak



A Chinese leak has slipped many core details of AMD's next ATI notebook graphics platform. The Mobility Radeon HD 5000 series is expected to be a direct translation of the desktop models and should have similar lines. At the top, the 5870, 5850 and 5830 will all have a very large 1,600 shader units (effects processors) and should support CrossFire on gaming-oriented desktop replacements. The top two will support fast GDDR5 memory while the 5830 will need GDDR3.
The 5770, 5750 and 5730 will all be close parallels to the 5800 graphics chips, including shaders and memory, but won't support CrossFire. At least one of the GDDR5 models should have a 1.3GHz memory clock speed.

AMD's mainstream 5650 and 5600 don't have many details but should be more obviously feature-reduced compared to the higher-end video chipsets; the 5470, 5450 and 5430 will cater to the entry level and use a reduced 64-bit memory interface. They should respectively support GDDR3, regular DDR3 and DDR2 memory, with the speeds of each helping to dictate performance.

The finished products may not show until early 2010, or the season after the desktop cards are available.

Via Electronista

More news and information, plus benchmarks and pics can be found in this link at Overclock.net.
Thanks to Phinagle.

Plus the 58xxHD series will introduce the ATI Eyefinity technology, allowing a single GPU to work with 6 displays. This is a max of 24 displays with a quad corssfire according to Teawktown.
Thanks to Phinagle and unknown555525.

 

More information can be had here in Portable4Gamers.

They are going to be 10 different models in the 5430HD, 5450HD and 5470HD on the low-end sporting either DDR2 or GDDR3.

Next line is the 5650HD which is left alone as a only mainstream GPU, using GDDR3 and 128bit interface. This is to be paired with the 5730HD (GDDR3 variant), 5750HD and 5770HD, both using GDDR5 and a 128bit interface too.

The high-end models are the 5830HD variant using GDDR3, and the 5850HD and 5870HD usgin GDDR5 and 256bit interfaces. The three support CrossFireX.

They are all DirectX11 capable.

Via Electronista

UPDATE: ATI 5800HD is out!!!

ATI launches 2X faster, 1,600-core Radeon HD 5800

AMD's graphics label ATI tonight claimed to set a new benchmark for graphics with the Radeon HD 5800 series. The new video hardware is theoretically twice as fast as the 4870 and has an extremely large set of 1,600 stream (visual effect) cores -- enough to calculate 2.72 teraflops per second. Besides handling twice as many rendering tasks at once, the 5800 is also running a sixth-generation engine that shades and tessellates geometry more quickly, more GDDR5 memory bandwidth (150Gbps), and much improved techniques for antialiasing and anisotropic texture filtering.
ATI specifically touts a much higher performance in antialiasing versus NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 285 and claims that 3D games run at over 80 percent of the speed of the less demanding 4X mode where NVIDIA's current card often drops off more sharply. General performance is often at least 20 percent faster and in extreme cases up to 260 percent faster.

The technology is equally new in features. It's the first to support the upcoming DirectX 11 standard and will support its new set of programmable effects and geometry, such as improved shadowing and tesselation, as well as DirectCompute, Microsoft's format for general-purpose computing acceleration using video chipsets and similar massively parallel hardware. Accordingly, the new Radeon line will also see many of the added visual features in OpenGL and will be the first to support the Apple-originated OpenCL standard for the same effect.

All the initial cards will support Eyefinity, a technique that merges multiple monitors into single virtual displays on one video card. Up to six display pipelines can, using DisplayPort, create either a single very large display -- currently up to 7680x3200 -- or combinations of smaller arrangements. Smaller configurations can also mix and match DVI, HDMI and VGA.

Peak power use is higher but is balanced by much lower power when the chipset is idle.

Two chipsets start the lineup, both of which are aimed at higher-end gamers. The Radeon HD 5870 has the full feature set with 1,600 cores, an 850MHz engine clock, and 1GB of 1.2GHz video memory; it should cost $380 as a video card upgrade. The Radeon HD 5850 scales back to 1,440 cores, a 725MHz clock speed and 1GB of memory at 1GHz in return for a $260 price point. An eventual Radeon HD 5870 Eyefinity6 Edition will incorporate six Mini DisplayPort connectors for an unknown price.

With the exception of the Eyefinity6, both the 5870 and 5850 should be available today through third parties and will also find their way into pre-assembled computers.




VIA ELECTRONISTA

 

picture is photoshopped.

 

ATI Radeon HD 5750 seen, detailed in leak


AMD's first mainstream graphics chipset in its ATI Radeon HD 5000 series has been leaked with photos, specifications and even performance tests. The reference model seen by Chinese site MyMyPC is a dual-slot card but has a unique teardrop-shaped cooling system. It should be a slightly scaled-back version of the 5800 line with 1,120 effects cores (versus 1,440 for the 5850), a 700MHz core (down from 725MHz) and an unknown amount of 1,150MHz GDDR5 memory.
The 5750 would be treated as a faster card than the 4700 series is today and would ultimately replace the once high-end Radeon HD 4870 in the ATI catalog. A faster-still model, the 5770, should replace the 4890. Both should support all the same software features, ranging from newer DirectX 11 and OpenGL visual features to multi-display Eyefinity and general purpose computing through DirectCompute and OpenCL.

Early testing appears to bear out the claims. In the synthetic 3DMark benchmark, the new graphics processor would outperform both the Radeon HD 4770 as well as some cases cards in an entirely different speed segment, such as the Radeon HD 4850 and NVIDIA's GeForce GTS 250.

The 5700 series is unofficially believed to be shipping at least in stand-alone cards for October and would have the 5750 sell for $150 while the upgraded 5770 would cost $200.



UPDATE:

Link Here. Thanks to Loki[D.d.G]

 

Desktop cards go on sale Sept 22nd in the US and 23rd in Europe and the mobile versions will use the same GPU so it shouldn't be too long before notebooks start getting designed to use them. With luck we may even see one or two by years end.

Can find several more links here including a desktop 5870 Crysis run. 43 avg. FPS.

 

I wonder if Dell will update their Studio XPS with a 5650 Ati Mobility.

If so, I will Sell mine on ebay and get the new Card

 

Doubtful. By the time these actually get into your hands, it will be 2010...

 

The report says early 2010.
I have seen some vids of DX11, so it could be plausible that we see a DX11 AMD 5000HD by the very end of the year or beginning of 2010...

 

From what I have read, DX11 doesn't bring much to the table in terms of new graphics effects besides tesselation. Otherwise, it is more significant in that it allows for GPGPU functionality. I could be wrong, though.

 

That's good news. Perhaps the next gen Thinkpads will have the ATI 5xxx cards, most likely with the T510 getting the 5650 and the T410 getting the 5470.

 

I hope so, because the 3470HD and 3650HD in the T series are getting quickly outdated, and strangely enough, Lenovo hasnt changed to the 4xxx series...
Perhaps the 5 come out, and the change ot the 4? lol

But 5000HD seems quite nice, and bears some respectable power, and according to what i read, they are basically desktop GPUs fit inside laptops/... same architecture

 

All the rumors coming out are saying that the 5870 is going to push the GTX 295 for performance crown, not even the 5870X2 which is going to be released in the following months to even higher performance.

 

Eyefinity: Support for up to 6 screens.

 

It actually supports 6 monitors (PER GPU) so up to 24 monitors when running quad crossfire.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/13134/amd_powers_up_to_24_monitors_with_eyefinity/

Eyefinity is going to be for notebooks as well, and will support up to 12 monitors in crossfire notebooks via DisplayPort.

According to the news sites, the desktop cards will be out in 10 days from today, no news on the notebook versions yet.

This whole thing sounds kind of rediculous, but I can't help to wonder how awesome it would be to have 360 degrees of viewing with the use of a modded FOV, and several projectors.

 

In two words: IM PRESSIVE.

!!!

 

This sure looks awesome and interesting.
6 monitors per GPU is awesome.
I wonder how that would heat up the GPU :wink:

Again, ATI has new technology, NVIDIA has renamed 8xxxM series...lol :wink:

 

Holy moley! That's simply stunning. And yeah... as Serg said.
I wonder how that would heat up the GPU.

 

Not at all really, it's all dedicated low power circuitry for that sort of thing.

 

But imagine gaming on six displays, using your 5870HD with GDDR5. The GPU must be highly stressed for this.
What would scare me is the change in heat, and if that would affect ATI as it did to NVIDIA's 84M and 86M...well, we will have to see it.

As for how this seems to perform, well, for what I read, these 5000HD are desktop GPUs fit inside laptops for the mobile world, same architecture, so this means extreme performance for a laptop.

I hope there comes a Professional Variant for 3D CAD...I would be willing to wait for that if the W500 would come equipped with that (the V5700 is getting dated...)

 

Im loving the sound of the 5 series card, but just thinking what type of sizes and power requirements we will be looking at when it comes to laptops, i would love to be able to upgrade 48** to 58** but somethings telling me,

"Computer says no."

 

That's it, I'm buying my next laptop early next year because of this

 

The 5800 series cards are 40-nm and consume less power (and produce less heat) then the 4800 series cards. 30-60w vs. 75w. The GPUs themselves were also designed to be pin compatible with 4000 series cards so motherboards and card PCBs won't need a significant redesign.

That said what may likely stop you from directly upgrading is your MXM slot type.

 

Im thinking this are MXM3, right?

 

Yeah thats definately true, the main holdback with MSI machines is the power (well with nvidia cards anyway), the mxm slot is 3 and backward compatible with 2 which is nice, either way i cant wait, i'll end up building a desktop soon anyway hehe.

 

I'll assume that it depends on which 5000 card. 5800 will most likely be MXM 3.0b.


If it becomes possible to go from the Mobility 4850 to a Mobility 5770, 5750, or even a 5730 I'd still do it. ATI is claiming 5800 cards will see 1.6x the performance gains over a 4800 which if true could put the 5700 cards not too far below the 4850 at less than half the power draw. (15-30w TDP for the 5700s).

 

Hey do you happen to know what are the V5700? is it MXM2.1? or anything? I would love to have the chance to upgrade ir later!

 

Nope don't know about the V5700. Would depend on the notebook.


You mentioned the W500 before....for that notebook the card isn't upgradable as it's soldered into the motherboard.

http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/W-Series-ThinkPad-Laptops/W500-graphics-card-upgradeable/m-p/62233

 

and the sky is blue! everything is photoshopped these days. it is done to make things look good. if he said "the president wore a tophat and gained 800 lbs" and the president was photoshopped to look like that it would not only be hilarious, but also a lie. the pic of the gpu represents no misinformation.

....

that was fun...

 

thanks joshthor!
There is always some like this:

lol

and thanks for the info phinagle!

 

I would like to see MXM 2.1 versions of the new GPUs too, but I seriously doubt it

 

if the ati radeon 5870x2 comes out before december and costs under 500.00
its going in my christmas present alienware desktop

 

i am hoping the ati radeon 5870x2 is not 600.00 like the price leak says that would be ridiculous

 

Can you post where you found the type of memory interface these cards will be using? The links you provided only say that the 3 low end cards will use a 64bit memory interface.

 

Cool beans, I may have to upgrade my 4850 soon.

 

Check the thread at Overclock.net. They've compiled the specs for most of the 5000 series cards from various sources and have links to the articles.


There's also more benchmarks posted for the 5870 desktop card:

http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...y-jsou-venku.html&sl=cs&tl=en&history_state0=

3DMark Vantage of 8171 but no specs on the rest of the system.

 

Looks like my New notebook is already obsolete

 

Thanks again Phinagle for the links!

chrusti that is how technology goes...you buy something, and in 6 months or a year it is already been replaced...lol
but done worry, the SXPS you have is a great machine!

 

Yes, that would be incredibly unfair. Having a card that can perform 2x as good as the GTX 280M for only a $100 more. Yes, that's, ridiculous...

 

Well, ATI is known to be a lot cheaper than NVIDIA...they try to be competitive offering great performance for the money, and if NVIDIA's GT300M is what they say it is going to be, ATI is doing the right thing IMO.

 

I cannot wait for this thing. Now i know i am waiting for this baby. I hyped the 4000 series so much on this site, and i was right it was the real deal.

Im sure this will be as well. I7 + 5870? Yes please.

 

Via Electronista

 

More information added to this news.
Will update OP.

 

5870 Crossfire = 20% faster at minimum than GTX 295 SLI. Yes that's right... 5870 Crossfire (2 GPUs) is faster than GTX 295 SLI (4 GPUs).



Mobile parts will have same number of SP's and if the OP's link is correct, GDDR5 up to 1300MHz (Desktop spec). It's entirely possible that a Mobility 5870 will be faster than a desktop GTX 285.

 

If the numbers coming out are a good indication of what to expect then a single Mobility 5870 should offer performance that isn't too far below CF Mobility 4850s, and do so using only 40% of the power consumption.

 

Ah my bad, I thought the thread was focusing on the mobile variants. ^^ So its just the mobile specs that we are waiting for now. Seems like the mobile version will either use 128 bit or 256 bit with ddr5, wish we knew which one it would be, because these new gpu's will either be almost twice as fast at best or only a mediocre improvement at worst.

 

Just the clocks yeah. The mobiles are supposed to use the same GPU as their desktop versions so we can use the shader counts, memory bus, and VRAM type from those specs.

 

The 2 highest end mobility 58xx are supposed to have 256-bit GDDR5, though the mobility 4870 was also supposed to have 256-bit GDDR5 too...

 

Excuse my ignorance & lack of knowledge, but I have a stupid question: DX11 is basically a streamlined DX10.1, no? Just to make the next generation of Crysis looking games easier for our comps to handle? If so, and what you say about a HD5870 being about as good as a HD4850 XF is true, with a DX version that actually makes it easier on the GPU, GPUs are actually going to be far ahead of the effects in next-gen games.

 

10.1 was supposed to improve performance while giving you dx10 quality. Unfortunately nvidia decided dx10 was just as good and strong armed developers into not using dx10.1 and even made Ubisoft put a update out that disabled it in Assassins Creed. Supposedly dx11 should include all of 10.1 and improve quality and performance even more. I wouldn't really expect anything special from DX till consoles catch up to computers.

 

Stupid nvidia... Does that confirm my theory though?