ATI 5000HD details leak -UPDATED

i can't believe ati actually rolled out mobility 5000 in 09. nvidia isn't even putting up a fight.

 

Is it me or those results seem somewhat low?

 

More benchies:

 

It is pretty similar to the 4670HD...what a disappointment...

 

Yes indeed, and ironicly it will probably be used by most manufacturers and people will fall for it.

 

It certainly isn't groundbreaking. One would hope it could beat a GDDR3 GTS 250m, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Of course, the 250m is showing up in laptops that have generally had higher performance cards, so if we get the 5650 in Sonys, HPs, and Dells, it is an upgrade. Looks to me like it's got the 400 SP's of the desktop version.

 

400sp 128bit bus with gddr3, so it's in line with expectations (a little better than 4670).
there should be another version with gddr5, perhaps a hd5670, which should offer much better performance.

 

It performs exactly as I expected it would. Remember the 4650 was a mid-range card, available in averagely priced HPs, Acers etc. The 5650 will be no different. GTS250M performance in a mainstream, mid-priced laptop is nothing to complain about.

 

*crosses his fingers* I hope that ATi messed-up the drivers, like they use to, otherwise, I'll be pretty disappointed

 

The 5650 is a mainstream card. It's close to the 4670 because it has a 128-bit memory bandwidth and it uses DDR3, not GDDR5. The performance cards are the ones that use GDDR5, and so far none of them have been released yet.

 

It is supposed to be faster, not the same thing...though tessellation alone has me almost sold...lol

 

New drivers were released today and it's said they've shown a good improvement over 9.11.

 

For mobile too?

 

I doubt it.

That sounds great

 

I couldnt find any on the AMD/ATI website...where can I find them??

 

You can try here

 

Officially released 9.12.

AMD released its latest version of the ATI Catalyst Software Suite to
date, Catalyst 9.12 WHQL, which provides drivers and system software
for the company's ATI Radeon graphics processors, AMD 7-series chipset
IGPs, ATI multimedia products, and the AMD FireStream GPGPU processors.


Highlights :

- Performance improvement as high as 9% on the ATI Radeon HD 5800
Series and ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series, for 3DMark Vantage. GT1 – Jane
Nash performance improves as much as 15% and FT4 – GPU Cloth improves
up to 15%.

- Performance improves as much as 6% on single card
configurations for S.T.A.L.K.E.R. – Call of Pripyat.

- DirectCompute 10.1 support for ATI Radeon HD 4800 and HD 4700
GPUs in both single and multi-GPU configurations.

- Adds support for certain OpenGL 3.2 extensions for all GPUs from Radeon
HD 2000 series and upward (HD 3000, HD 4000, and HD 5000).


DOWNLOAD: http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx

RELEASE NOTE: http://www2.ati.com/relnotes/Catalyst_912_release_notes.pdf

From ATI Radeon on Facebook

 

Because it's FUN, LOL!

No, seriously though, I can relate to bagienny's position on the Compal model. Sometimes we do get information, that is not our position to make public. As an example, I know of a new model, soon to be announced, but again, it is not my position to make this public...... however, I would like others to know that alternatives will soon be available.

A case in point, would be as related to the newly announced Acer 8942G, equipped with the ATI HD 5850 card. Available soon, for the moment this APPEARS to be the only ATI DX11 notebook choice we have. But this is not the case, and others should know..... there is another notebook equipped with ATI HD 5870, soon to arrive on the scene.

Stay tuned to CES!

 

you folks are looking for ATI 5000?

i found a laptop review at this german page, Clevo barebone available with ATI HD5650 dx11. specs: Mobility Radeon HD5650 1 GByte GDDR3 VRAM, Intel Core i7 720QM. Laptop: DevilTech Fire GX, Price 968 Euro (Germany)

The reviewers did some extensive gaming benmarks, STALKER DX11, CMR: DIRT 2

http://www.notebookjournal.de/tests/...tx-nkmo-1073

cheerio, Crazy

 

This was brought up some posts before.

In addition, it would seem that it is a Compal, and not a Clevo.

 

my motto...if you can't say anything about it...then no sense in bringing up in the first place. we all know that they are making plenty of 5k model laptops soon enough...but for people to drop hints like they have some upper hand, when in reality they dont. is ridiculous...sorry...just how i think.
this is an information thread...not a lead me on one... we already seen time and time again how that plays out in the end...most people get to looking silly because their ummm...so called sources....we're wrong. rotflmao...nothing personal, just a reality in the forum world.

and a bit of side information...dx11 is going to break down quite a few cards...and to test it out...go download the new dx11 benchmark.
http://unigine.com/download/
not a whole lot of dual card systems going to hang with this one....maxed out.

also...with new 9.12 drivers 4870's xfire

 

Compal NBLB2, to be precise.

 

Yeah John, I saw Rengsey R. H. Jr.'s Vantage & 3DMark scores..... pretty awesome with a P8600 C2D, eh? Looks like he found himself a good one, alright. I also see where he is getting rid of his Qx9300, LOL!

Congratz to him!

Anyhow, I understand exactly what you are saying, but at the same time, I think you know I am not trying to yank any chains either. I'd hate to see folks jumping on the first ATI DX11 option, only to have buyer's remorse shortly thereafter. And yes, I know it happens all the time, but I have pretty solid info to base my predictions on, LOL!

My post have never been purposed to display a facade of 'having an upper hand', and again, it is not my place to make an announcement. I am merely suggesting in the best way I can, hold off on that 'preorder', and see what CES brings. Yes, it's about information, and not about leading anyone on..... and my information suggest waiting for CES, before 'pulling the trigger' prematurely. Darn, just three more weeks.....

If it does not come to pass, well that will not necessarily mean the info is bad...... surely there could be delays, but for the moment, I strongly expect to see an announcement at CES..... and a release shortly thereafter. I have already stated in prior post, if I am wrong here, I'll eat my words..... and it certainly is not my intent to come across 'silly'. Sure, I can be wrong, and I have been before, but sometimes I can get it right. I was ridiculed by 'nay-sayers' with my thoughts on the W90 release, and it's 4870 cards. That one, I got right within a week of prediction.

I am not referring to a 5k notebook, or even a X-Fired solution. We have all seen the Acer 8942G, and it has drawn significant interest. I am suggesting another, just around the corner, with a single ATI HD 5870 solution..... affordable and comparably priced. Just a little while longer.....

Sooooo John, I understand your 'motto', and how you feel on the matter..... but I am trying to be earnest and sincere here.

Also, thanks for the 'UniGine' link! I have watched 'Heaven' on YouTube, but I had not seen the others yet. When I get my new 17.3" Core i7, w/ ATI HD 5870 (GDDR5), I'll be sure to run these, and post just for you!

Soon John!

 

I just hope the rumored 15-20 watt spec for the 5650 is true.

 

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drooling here

 

I will disagree here. I think there are a lot of people (like myself) who are not on track with the latest developments. I nearly ordered my laptop, but when I saw the predictions of new models with better options, I decided to hold my horses. I understand predictions can be wrong but in any case I can still go for the laptop I was ordering before. But I dont want to be in a situation that one month after buying a new laptop i am thinking "If only I had known it was comming..".
So the thing is that its not bad to share whatever you can. May be it will help somebody. Having said that offcourse the person doing the prediction needs to be honest regarding the credibility and suggestion should be honest. But that is a general thing and applies to anyone suggesting anything to some one.
cheers

 

I agree with your post, however, it seems a little ironic to me since in this same thread the predictions have been made that the ATI 5xx series cards won't be in laptops until 3Q or 4Q 2010. I hope you can hold out that long. I'm not sure how patient you are but with the shortages of 40nm chips and all the deskop 5800 shortages, it might be a while before you can get a hold of your new laptop.

 

yeah, we been here already.and you almost buying your laptop...i did that 5 times before buying a d901c last year...you keep the wait wait wait...and you'll never have a laptop..lol. and the first batch coming out are only low ends and single card machines...who knows...you could be disappointed...or left thinking once again...you made the wrong purchases...way to may open doors with what your saying... but i do understand.

my bad striker...not trying to down you in any way...it was more of a generalization thing. and there are a few coming down the pipe which is a given...but you...you shouldn't even be concerned with any of these models.. your a dual gpu man!! so this is a down grade to people like us...regardless if it's a 5k gpu...lol

never no love lost here striker!!

ps...im real interested to see how it fairs...since i just ran it with a 5970 maxed out....and i either have something wrong or im gonna need another card to fully max out dx11 with full AA/AF...because it was surely crawling...lol....ill give it another go later tonight.

 

All I am saying is that its not bad to share any info that can be shared. People can have different preferences. Some people will find it difficult to wait for a couple of months, I am just not one of them. I was going to order now because I thought that after release of i7, there will not be any significant thing happening soon. But thanks to the "Folks" here, I know that CES will be exiting and personally I think I will be in a better position to make decision. .
And I don't want a very expensive laptop so I may well stick to my current choice anyway, but just want to make a well calculated decision considering all options. Thats all.

 

well calculated....then grab any one of the 5800's if you can. that way your covered and don't have to worry for another year on upgrading...just a suggestion...but if you can't wait and the prices seem to be a bit out there...grab a 5700 series...hopefully this time around...they make it so that you can upgrade your video card later down the line...(only suggestions...the same ones i might use if in your position)

and to be honest....no way to tell....it took about 8 months to bring the 4870's to full potential and to show it was the clear winner without a shadow of doubt. (i was an nvidia guy..but i also have to go with the winning card)

but as always...take your time and wait it out omr147...something will be there to fit your needs....

 

I have always been an ATI person and until a year ago I thought NVIDIA was always superior, a few months back I bought my current laptop, using ATI, and I am more than happy for it.

In fact AMD/ATI has been my thing for years. Now I use Intel/ATI and very happy.

These 5000HD seem to be the best around for now, and I couldnt be happier of these spreading. I am looking at a 13 incher with Arrandale i5 and ATI 5450HD inside with long battery life.

 

card hog here...i would have to run dual 5800's..lol

 

LOL! This year, I think I will be jumping all over this new 17.3" ATI HD 5870 (GDDR5) model..... soon folks!

If we even see a 5870 X-Fired notebook, it will probably be done by Dell/AW (a Core i7 M17x re-fresh), and I do not think we will see this until late Q2 to Q3 of 2010. Even then, I suspect it will be GDDR3 cards, as they will be faced with similar issues...... as their current 4870 model. GDDR5 will be a tremendous challenge for them, and I often reflect back to JohnBatDells post.

Even such, I suppose you are right....... for me, an X-Fired 5870 model will be too irresistible, but this will be a little ways off yet. I just hope we are not faced with another GDDR fiasco, and that Dell/AW presents this model a little more honestly this time around. Anyhow, if this comes to pass, I suppose I will just be buying another notebook at that time, LOL!

As far as your single card, 5970 'UniGine' benchmark results, PLEASE post us some screenies...... I'd love to see these. If you have already done so elsewhere, please pop me a link. As far as maxing out AA, I am curious..... could you try full settings in CCC, but not in the benchmark, and run it again? I am wondering if perhaps it's not the same driver issue, as experienced in Crysis.

 

Me Too!

Thanks for posting the vid, Serg!

BTW, if you go back and edit this post, deleting the following from the beginning of the embed code, it will correct the vid's placement:

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copy that.
m17x benchmark thread.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=424518&page=41
starting with post #2019

 

just for perspective

ALL maxed
x16
8x
High shader

5850 with a slight overclock DESKTOP

 

windowed?
hey..quadzilla got like 18.2 with his stock gpu
and mine was stock gpu as well.

makes me seriously wonder how a laptop is going to handle it....

must be some serious dx11 changes in the next up and coming months....

 

I don't know if I'd say this is an accurate perspective of anything. We are talking one NEW benchmark tool here, and undoubtedly there are some optimization issues, and I suspect AA related driver issues as well. (we are breaking new ground here, folks!)

Agreed John, serious corrections need be addressed ahead, but perhaps the problem here, is simply with the benchmarking tool itself. I am betting the notebook cards, will game just fine.

We will know SOON!

 

we have at least two so far...and stalker is messed up...had people with 700 plus fps on a notebook....lol

 

AKA 5900HD! lol

Seriously doubt dual GPUs of those ATM, the consumption would be tremendous. Let is imagine the laptop with that.

i7 Clarksfield 920XM 55W, dual 5870HD around 50W each? 100W there alone we are at 150W! Plus the dual or triple HDDs, plus the 16:9 17 or 18 inch screen WUXGA, the BD drive...ouch, lets calculate plus overhead for a 9 cell battery> 250W PSU? lol that would be massive...Let us see what happens, but heck even one 5770HD seems like a lot of power!

Fixed, thanks, I always forget of erasing that part...

Which new benchmark tool?

 

some form of 5800 mobile dual card setup...they are gonna come with one. pretty sure of that....but this power thing they have going is off the hook!!!
my card is sucking in 530 watts over clocked. at idle it's like 50 watts...so them mobiles might jump up to like 150 watts each. yikes!!!

 

That wouldnt be possible 150W per card would be insane!!

Let us see, the 4670HD, how much does the desktop and the mobility consume?

Or the 4850HD?

We could take numbers out of this, calculate and give a rough estimate of how much it will consume

 

I posted this in Desktop preview.
http://forum.desktopreview.com/showthread.php?t=239433

For those looking at a HD 5750 from Sapphire. here is a Benchmark of Unigine Heaven Demo

As stated at at Desktop preview . I might add my DX 11 ultra and High benchmark from Dirt 2

 

Yeah Serg, I was referring to Moo & John's post, wherein low marks are being presented with the UniGine 'Heaven' Demo...... with DX11 and maxed out AA settings. Go back and re-read again, and follow John's link back to the "M17x Benchmarks" thread.

Sorry if I confused you......

 

yeah...try those runs at 1920x1200 or 1920x1080.....no one is planning on playing at that resolution...lol

but then again...the way dx11 is going...you just might have to!

 

Oh thanks...sorry...I am following tons of threads and I get lost sometimes...now it makes sense.

 

Everyone want to pretend they have sauces.

It's so bleeding obvious that more 5000 series equipped notebooks are coming out, everyone can make these predictions, then when random model comes out, they'll point to it and pretend that's what they were talking about all along.

It's funny how people who aren't even in the industry pretend like they're under some ironclad NDA. I mean c'mon it's so transparent.

 

Hmmmm, interesting!

Now who would be doing as you suggest, Kevin_Jack2.0? Since John's reply was directed toward me, I must ask..... are you implying I would do such a thing? Your post could certainly be interpreted that way. If you don't mind, let's be strait and clear the air here.

Thanks!

 

Pretty sure he is talking about Bagienny; guy who came out and said he knows all and won't tell us anything until after the NDA.

I'll go ahead and break NDA: I heard ATI is planning on putting these things in 16" notebooks...I hear the sirens outside.

 

Yeah, silly me. Shouldn't have done that. Anyways if you doubts what I'm saying - have a look at www.purepc.pl, and look who's writing notebook reviews for them EOT about HD5 specs - at least until 7.01.