ATI 5000HD details leak -UPDATED

Want to ship it to France for another test drive?? ^^ jk

ANyways, nice, please post back with some results and benchmarks if possible. I am VERY interested on these GPUs.

 

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870
Mobility Radeon HD 5870
1600 shaders
700 core
1000 memory
256 bit
11 dx
40 nm

i think ati is going to seriously come correct this round...(specualtion of course)

 

HP is getting on the 5000 train.
http://www.engadget.com/photos/hp-leaked-slides-0/2519393#2519392

 

The ASUS W90 with dual/X-Fire'd ATI Mobility 4870's was announced in January 2009. Actual sales of the first model, the W90Vp X-1, began in the U.S., 19 February 2009.

 

Hi bagienny,

What you are saying here is particularly interesting to me, especially in light of these articles:

Acer DX11 laptops exposed

Acer 8942G to be first notebook with DirectX 11

AMD CES 2010 DX11 laptops

Also, if you look at the information in this thread here.....

Acer Aspire 8942G update..... pre-orders available

..... pre-orders have already begun in Europe, for the DX11 equipped (ATI HD 5850) Acer Aspire 8942G. Several of the resellers, specifically in Germany, are touting availability prior to Christmas.

Given what you are saying here, do you suppose this Compal model will be one of the three DX11 notebooks to be featured at CES, January 7, 2010? I know the notebook to be announced with the GDDR5 5870 card, and it appears the Acer 8942G will be the second notebook..... do you feel the Compal model will be the third?


Thanks!

 

Oh, and this little tidbit, just out today!

ATI finally ships more HD 5xx0 cards to partners

I'm getting excited!

ENJOY!

 

I suppose so since Compal already have working NBLB2 samples (or maybe - the retail ones) and they're beginning to sending them to the resellers.

Don't really know about who's gonna be first, but it seems that the three vendors with DX11 available at start will be: MSI, Acer and Compal.

 

Hmmmm, interesting!

Regarding ATI/AMD's flagship, I anticipate a repeat of last year. It will be nice to see what CES reveals this year. Again, I am excited!

Thanks for your thoughts.....

 

Here's the link on the Madison-equipped Compal: (Credits to grbac)
http://www.marasst.com/product-1-NBLB2.htm

Looks like Acer's not alone in the DX11 5xxx series race.

 

Looks like a KHLB2 married to HP Pavilion

 

DROOLS! That thing looks NICE hardware wise...the case doesnt appeal me that much, but a 5000HD solves it all...^^

thanks!

 

Madison would put it in the HD5650 to HD5770 GPU family.

 

So the mobility 57xx are Madison? Which means it's mobile broadway? Then the mobility 57xx are gonna be mobile version of the 56xx.
Then I'd be expecting the mobility 58xx to be mobile Juniper, thus based on the 5770.

 

According to rumors/reports so far the Mobility HD56x0 should be a crippled version of Madison and the Mobility HD57x0 should be the full-powered version of Madison.

The Mobility HD58x0 should all fall under the Broadway family.

So Madison=Juniper and Broadway=Cypress.

 

Mobility Radeon HD 5870
1600 shaders <--this one seems to be the only one no one is 100 percent sure about
700 core
1000 memory
256 bit
11 dx
40 nm

that seems to be pretty damn good to me....
although...because the cards are so small...it wouldn't have no where near enough room to run it at full power. why? because of the size of the voltage regulators....(speculation of course)

 

Ok sorry, I thought Broadway were the desktop 56xx. It's Redwood. My error.

@Johnksss: Yeah. With 1600 shaders, you have to think about heat ouput and power consumption.

 

Well rumors pre-release were that Redwood would be based on an RV830 GPU but post-release we know now that the desktop HD5770 is based on the RV830 GPU.

So if we break it down it might be that Madison=Juniper=Redwood.


Another possibility is that we don't end up seeing a Mobility HD57x0 series card and Madison just ends up being a Mobility HD5650 and a HD5670 based on the RV830 GPU....which would be more inline with ATI's past notebook naming scheme.

Since notebook cards are reduced power/performance there's less of a real gap between models than there are with desktop cards and less of a need for middle of the road cards like the HD5770.

 

According to this chart http://www.techarena.in/news/9730-directx-11-gpu-notebooks-ati.htm HD5650 is going to be 64-bit DDR3, which doesn't sound extremely promising to me. It looks like HD57xx will be the true successors to the HD46xx.

 

Phinagle, in fact the 56x0 GPUs were the ones covering the gap in theory. That is why originally only one 5650HD was in that area, to cover the hole between the 57xx and 54xx/55xx...I really hope they dont cut down the 57xx from the line.

Yeah, that is what I understood, the 57 is the replacement for the 46...

 

The heat dissipation shouldn't be a serious problem since the HD5870 requires about the same amount of power as HD4870 ( load/ idle)

 

so will this be a form factor for desktops, small form and laptops?

 

More on upcoming DX11 arrivals..... 'Twisted Reviews' list of Acer 8942G variants:

List of known Acer Aspire 8942 modifications (Core i3 and Core i5 too!)

 

not one xfire notebook in that bunch!..grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
means one of a few things...(speculation of course)
dual cards are to powerfull
there is a 5870 which has the xfire cable
the 5850m will damn near match their lower end desktop 5000 series card or better the 4870 or 4850.(which some have already spoken of - with one difference...1 for 1 card ratio!)
or
acer wont be the first xfire notebook...it will be clevo or aw or maybe...the ocz.(lol)...
with those i3's and 5's...that gives allot of room to work on the "thermal budget"
(speculations only)

 

We might not even see new ATI cards in retail until Calpella refresh in Q3 2010...

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,10402.html

"NVIDIA is said to have landed 80 percent of the design contracts that were out for bidding. In short this means that the majority of computers using the Calpella platform and discrete graphics circuits, I.e. where the integrated Intel GPU isn't enough, will use NVIDIA technology.

AMD has its first mobile DirectX 11 GPUs coming, but these won't be available until January and contracts for the Calpella platform have been signed long ago."

 

I think we have already read this article... NVDIA has to hog it with all its crap GPU's... ATI always seems to loose out..

 

found out some information here
http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1240&postcount=19

 

I am willing to bet dollars to donuts that AMD is in no rush to get anything to market based off their current windfall.

http://hothardware.com/News/Intel-Pays-AMD-The-125-Billion-It-Owed-AMD-Throws-A-CheckCashing-Party/

I am guessing every person above the base pay grade and especially all the execs got a massive bonus that they will be busy spending over the next several months. I don't expect to see anything productive come out of this company for another year now....they don't need to.

 

I'll take that bet.

AMD was already in debt for $3.2 billion before that settlement...that's why they took it without going to court.

http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3849131

 

Yay, Capella based notebooks with Nvidia 230-250m.
At least we got Clevo and Compal, and i bet they will make up some kind of beast that includes ATI Dx11 cards.

 

AMD announced Monday that it had managed to ship more than 800 thousand DirectX 11 chips since it launched the HD 5800 series in October.

According to Jon Peddie Research, total AIB shipments in Q3 2009 were just over 20 million units. At a monthly average of about 7 million units, AMD's 800,000 over a 6-week period might not seem like much, however, in the same period Nvidia shipped zero DirectX 11 cards.

ATI claims it has shipped in excess of 500 thousand Juniper-based HD 5700 series cards and it shows. They are widely available in most markets. However, the outfit shipped just 300 thousand Cypress HD 5800/5900 series cards, despite the fact Cypress was launched weeks ahead of HD 5700 series products. Sadly, 300,000 doesn't seem to be nearly enough and HD 5800/5900 cards are rather hard to come by, especially the HD 5850, which offers the best bang-for-buck in the Cypress series.

It is clear AMD's shipments were hampered by TSMC's massive ups and resulting poor yields. AMD hopes the situation will improve over the next few weeks. As for Nvidia, well its situation won't improve over the next few weeks, months even.

From Fuzdilla http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16847/34/

 

Maybe this means TSMC's 40nm yields will improve. We might be able to see some mobile 5800 cards in Q1 2010.

 

Supposedly there are 3 laptops that are coming before the end of the year with 5000HD inside...Acer, Compal and MSI?

 

Have we got any more info about that Compal or MSI yet?

 

Acer, Yes..... is sure to be one of the mysterious three.

MSI and Compal? One or the other maybe, but not both, because I know of another DX11 model, to be announced at CES..... see here!

 

I'm crossing my fingers on that.

Ah, CES 2010, so near yet so far. Hope your predictions are spot on, -=$tR|k3r=-

 

I'll have one unit of NBLB2 before Xmas, but I've gotta dissapoint you - there will be no benchmarks from me before 7th January, because of the NDA

 

Notebookcheck has already the 5870HD listed:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-5870.23073.0.html

Manufacturer ATI
Series Mobility Radeon HD 5800
Codename Broadway-XT
Pipelines 0 - unified
Core Speed * 700 MHz
Shader Speed * 700 MHz
Memory Speed * 1000 MHz
Memory Bus Width 256 Bit
Memory Type DDR3, GDDR3, GDDR5
Max. Amount of Memory
Shared Memory no
DirectX DirectX 11, Shader 5.0
Current Consumption 60 Watt
technology 40 nm
Notebook Size large
Date of Announcement 15.01.2010

Sorry, wrong link posted...fixed now

 

Well, these are pretty worthless without the number of steam processors, ain't they?

Curious about the power consumption specs, dunnow where they came from, but definitely not from AMD. From what I know, these specs are taken from someone's imagination (mixed with some real ones). But can't reveal the details

 

HUH? What do you mean?

Those are the one from notebookcheck...I will continue my search of information

 

I mean that there is no power consumption details in materials that came from AMD, and there was no power consumption details in the conference call about new Mobility Radeons. There are some other mistakes in there, but shhh

Still waiting for someone to post the NDA protected material about the HD 5000. I'm not doing it!

 

PM me please with the info, it is safe with me.
What do you know?

 

Sorry, can't do that. Confidential stuff ;]

 

Hmmm...I shall wait till you can

 

why everyone always trying to play the "i know something you don't know card" for...rotflmao

 

First obvious mistake is the memory bus width the part is 128bit.

Other mistakes could have to be the clocks - not much of the other information is at all controversial. So core clock of 700Mhz is wrong? or memory clock of 1000Mhz...presuming if is XT is GDDR5 which is quad pumped so 4000Mhz effective. Memory chips are likely to really be 1.25GHz parts with their clock lowered to save power.

Working on assumption Broadway = Juniper desktop part, is limited to 60W rather than the desktop parts 100W, so core clocks might be a touch more constrained(desktop 5770 108W@850Mhz, 5750 86W@700MHz). Unless of course they have fused off shaders(havent done this much in the past, but did do it in the current desktop line).

How about as a guess:
Broadway = Mobile Juniper = 800 shaders, 128bit largely GDDR5
Madison = Mobile Redwood = 400 shaders, 128bit largely (G)DDR3
Park = Mobile Cedar = 120 shaders , 64 bit mainly (G)DDR3

Guessing at performance desktop 4870 is just ahead of 5770(Juniper) but uses 150W to do it, in mobile form both are at 60W, so maybe get 30% more than equivalent 4 series part. Redwood and Cedar are both 30-50% more than their 4 series desktop equivalents. The +50% performance figure is likely in part due to GDDR5.

These chips have an extra display out(ie eyefinity in desktop line), supposedly it was done by ATI at the request of notebook vendors, so guess might try to make use of that.

Can you give me a mark out of 10 for the info above

 

Won't give you a mark, but I'll give you a wink

 

Pssst! Review of the Compal with HD5650 is up on notebookjournal guys! Time to hit up the translator

 

German link: http://www.notebookjournal.de/tests/notebook-review-deviltech-fire-dtx-nkmo-1073

Google Translator: <strike> http://translate.google.fr/translat...h-fire-dtx-nkmo-1073&sl=en&tl=fr&hl=&ie=UTF-8</strike>

Sorry, wrong language...this one is the one http://translate.google.fr/translat.../notebook-review-deviltech-fire-dtx-nkmo-1073

Enjoy the read!

 

Yay, new cards...great too bad my favourite brands (Sony and Dell) will probably put the cheapest cards in their newest models and act like thats what we want. Thank god we can always count on Asus for putting the best cards in their G series, if only they wouldnt get that hot...

 

they could of at least tested it against the other ati cards... 4870/4850/3870