ATI MOBILITY RADEON HD 2600 graphics with 512MB GDDR3

well its hard to find a default clock for the 8600m gt seems like everyone doing the test is dissapointed with there results..but here it is..

7351
3DMarks ASus G1S 550/1600

the asus gets 7351...but it looks over clocked by 75mhz i will overclock the exact same 75mhz and even leave the mem clock reg...the asus has the nvidia gddr3 i have the ati gddr3..also somthing to note my cpu is slower than his aswell hes got a t7700 or something...mines the T5500 or something

brb with the results

ok back i got 7837 marks...500 better than the overclocked gddr3gt..but i know from the past with a overclock of 53mhz i was getting 7994...not sure why its lower with 25 extra mhz overclock..must be drivers...can someon help me out what results do u guys get with your drivers and should i just go back to dna 8.7 or is the stock drivers better..i dont seem to be getting the same results anymore..i remember benchmarking without a over clock on one set of drivers and getting 7369..now i get like 7000

 

booya...i unistalled everything ati then installed v 8.8 and i did a 3dmark05 run look at what i got stock...its crazy high

3DMark Score 7344 3DMarks
CPU Score 8006 CPUMarks


before i had 6900 with 8.7...and 4500 cpu marks not sure why but its back up again ...finally

i guess this shows my stock 3dmark05 run beat the overclocked 8600mgt gddr3 in the asus g1s laptop...put it too rest 8600mgt is not better at all..hd2600 does better in crysis and bioshock aswell...oo and source...soo pretty much the games that count...

 

hmmmm will definitely get the 8.8 drivers now....really happy to see that the 2600 is supposedly a good card when tweaked/updated right. right now i run tf2 at worst in firefights at 22 fps, which when i update the driver, undervolt, and oc wil hopefully see a significant change. thanks ryane for all the testing..

 

wups duplicate post....sry

 

I didn't notice any diff at all with the 8.8beta drivers, vs release 8.7
600/725 ran a 4293 on 8.8, with a T5550,1.000v (RMClock).
8.7beta @ 600/725 ran a 4296 - course, if you run 3DMark06 3-5 times, they'll all be different, but within a few points of each other...

As many have said, 3DMark06 scores really don't mean TOO much - it's in-game performance that counts. It's a synthetic benchmark, and GPU/CPU manufacturers have been known to optimize for benchmarks, but then when you USE the GPU's, it's a different story.

Ryane, I know you like the ATI HD2600, and apparently you're having tons of fun experimenting and finding out stuff, but talking trash about other GPU's isn;t really oing to get you far, and in the end, if you don;t get banned, you'll be ignored by a ton of folks on here, many of whom are VERY helpful, and full of good info and advice.

I'm just giving you some advice, and I hope you heed it, because you sound like you're having fun playing around and experimenting - I hope your energy and knowledge doesn't continue to trample your people skills.

PLease, know I mean this all in a GOOD way - not trying to start anything, just giving you advice: tone it down a little, and bring it down a notch or two.


Continued fun and luck playing around!


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i really do not understand overclocking or undervolting.....i have the exact comp as other people and am overclocking/ undervolting exactly the same and getting max 83 degrees when others say they get 70 max without undervolting?!?!? w t h....

also, i have no idea how you guys are able to lower the volts on the 12x to 1.0000...the lowest mine goes is to 1.1500 which i have it set at right now..

 

Every single CPU's voltage is slightly different, and so is their tolerance. The Undervolting guide tells you that.

 

but we have the same CPU..............

 

Yes, hence why I said every single CPUs.

 

Even so, they're not all the "same" Some are more "equal" than others. Hmm...I wonder where I've heard something similar to that before.

 

but i mean 13 degree difference.....and he didnt even undervolt.....that seems a bit odd imo.....

 

Room temperature? even is its 25C against 30C its still the difference between your notebook sucking up air and sucking up warm air...

 

is it safe for my comp to be running at 83 degrees at 100% when overclocked?....

 

There are many factors to take into account also. Room temperature, how well the heatsink makes contact with the CPU die, what surface the laptop is sitting on (Carpet and bed will easily raise CPU temperature by 8-10 degrees, since it blocks major ventilation spot for these laptops), and current CPU load. To make the correct comparison, even the same temperature monitoring software needs to be used; they all will report difference values, some difference as much as 10 degrees.

 

How much better in real world performance is the hd 2600 (not the XT or anything, but the hd 2600 w/ 512 ddr3) over the ati 3450 w/ 256mb? I know the 3450 is a low end card, but the hd 2600 is also now a "last gen" card kinda, so was wondering if it'd be worth $100 more to go from a 3450 to a 2600? I'm computer shopping n there's a $100 difference

 

my experience so far with the 2600 is horrible and not what i was expecting and has not been what i should be expecting considering the comments from this thread and others saying that the 2600 is a good card. go with a different card..if u can help it

 

The HD2600 doubles the performance of the HD3450 in most cases. Some games that are unplayable on the 3450 will be close or completely playable on the HD2600 with the same settings.

 

The HD3450 scores around 2000 in 3dmark06...(mayeb abit more? bad memory sorry). The HD2600 with stock clocks scores around 3300. And with alittle OC, it can go over 4000. It is worth the $1000 In my opinion if gaming is important.

 

Timd: First off, you're using HWMonitor, correct?
And you do your temperature tests while the laptop is on a flat surface, like a desk/table, correct?

Honestly, MY CPU has never seen over 76c, even at max load, stock settings.
Granted, I've been playing with the M-6851, which is a 1.86gHz T5550, but I can't see 140mHz making 7-10c difference!


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Since I had both the 8600m GT and the now the HD2600, I can say that under the same conditions, both GPUs will perform very close to each other. This makes sense, since both have about the same number of physical stream processors (ATi's 24 versus nVidia's 32), both have 128 bit memory bandwidth and very close clock speed.

However, I will say overall the Geforce is the better GPU. Why? The ATi's, or for that matter, the whole HD2000/3000 series, had a major flaw: AntiAliasing. While the nVidia suffers minimal performance hit with anti-aliasing on, the ATi takes a much worse performance penalty. This is due to ATi making the GPU perform AA through its stream processors instead of the render output processors. While this allows greater flexibility on AA programming, it puts an additional stress on the GPU and causes it to drag down the speed significantly.

The thing is, both Geforce 8600 and Radon HD2600 performs really close to each other, as long as you leave anti-aliasing off.

 

i have it on a desk and also have it on a cooling stand with two fans......

 

Thanks I was just debating cuz the one w/ the 3450 is an HP dv5z, and the one w/ the hd 2600 is the gateway on sale this week at best buy that's $100 more expensive. I wanna save money but if it'll definately be noticably better I guess it's worth it

 

Tim, are you saying you don't have the option to drop it down to 1.00v, or that trying to go there the system fails?

 

lol 3300 stock...mine gets like 3800 stock and with a little overclocking its at 4100

and i even made a special config for the hd 2600 to run it at very high i even posted pics..

 

i am saying i have no option to drop down to 1.0000v in 12x, also ran 3dmarks o6 and got 3595.....going to install the 8.8 beta drivers and see what i get then going to overclock and see what i get..

 

I think they both have a different concept of "Stream Processor," as the specs I have list the 8600M GT as having 32, and the HD2600 as having 120.
This can be verified on ATI's spec sheet for the HD2600 series here in the third section, entitled "Unified Superscalar Shader Architecture."

Now, obviously, since the HD2600 has 120 stream processing units, and the 8600M GT has 32, and the HD2600 is obviously NOT 3-4 times faster than the 8600M GT, there is a discernible difference between the two kinds of SP's, and their impact!



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got 3669 3D marks with 8.8 driver...now lets see how it is when i oc

edit.......

overclocked to 607/720 and undervolted to 1.1500(the lowest it goes) got a 3dmark score of 4209.....dont know if thats good but thats pretty much maxed out....

 

tim..with the old drivers overclocked to 540 core i got 3900...u should be able to get 4300 to 4600 marks with the new drivers..but 4200 is good enough..that brings your card up to a stock 9600m gt
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9600M-GT.9449.0.html

and better than the stock NVIDIA GeForce Go 7800 GTX
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-Go-7800-GTX.2136.0.html

and about exactly a hd2600xt
http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-2600-XT.3770.0.html


so yea thats a very good score considering when i bought the laptop my stock score was like 3200 for some reason

 

is it okay if my laptops temps goes to 79 when playing tf2? or should i lower the clocks?

what are u using to oc?

 

download HWMoniter, it will tell you all your temps including GPU, my GPU goes to 80C when playing Crysis.

 

yea\ 80c is too high.. i jut did a 3dmark tim i got roughly the same
4227 3DMarks

 

hw monitor says my gpu is at 57c so i guess it cools off pretty quick

 

thats not in game right? cuz mine is around 57 too but thats out of game, its more like 60-65, but goes down to 57ish...

 

Timd: I usually only OC the GPU when I go into a game/benchmark/etc...
And then roll it back to factory when doing normal stuff, just to keep the heat down.

Using HWMonitor, what temps are you showing on Core0 and Core 1 and GPU?
Idle, and after a 3DMark06 run, FACTORY clocks/voltages..


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Can someone post a link to where they got the 8.8 drivers from?

I think I have the right download; I extracted it from the zip, and ran the file "Catalyst_8.8_Beta_WinVista.exe", then the install screen pops up asking to install to "C:\ATI\sample_HD4800X2_VISTA_8-52-2" and I say to extract it there. When done, I hit the cancel button. Now I open the Mobility program, but can't seem to find the right file to modify. Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

timd8988, your GPU going to 80 is fine especially if that's at an overclocked speed.

my laptop at completely stock settings (GPU) at that point hovers between 75-80 while gaming and 50-60 while idle or after gaming.

also did u disable Powerplay in the ATI CCC options? If I remember right i was having the same issue as you with AMD GPU clock tool reading lower settings for the video card. Once i disabled it my vid card was displaying the right settings and my FPS jumped up significantly playing TF2.

 

what fps do u get in tf2 in firefights? i get 25 at times, some levels even 22ish...and ya i turned powerplay off and it showed the right clock speeds. i havent really noticed any significant fps changes in tf2, i also play it in dx8 and still get anywhere from 100 fps to 20-25

 

dph.... just use mobility modder..open the hd4500 folder or whatever it is using MM and click modify...it will modify all the files

 

Hmm, got it updated to 8.8 drivers.

For some reason I can only manager to get a high of 3800 with amd gpu clock settings of 614/720. I wonder why I can't seem to break 4k like the others.

 

anyway i used the net_graph command and it stayed around 60 fps (maybe the server was capped, i also have v-sync disabled) and during lots of action it would go around 40, dropped to 30 once.

i don't really care about the numbers as long as the game plays smooth overall, which it does.

i have my TF2 settings at max resolution and all high settings. Only setting i have disabled is AA, etc.

 

that is strange....that you dont drop to 30 or even below 30....is that when your overclocked or no? also do you have a wireless connection or wired? what is the netgraph command? i use fraps but maybe something is wrong....idk im confused how EVERYONE is getting significantly different readings with this comp.

 

I'll run the benchmark test in DMC4. Granted, it's not a great benchmark, but I think it will give me a rough understanding of the difference between 8.7 and 8.8.

 

my laptop is at all stock settings, i'm also hooked up via a wireless connection on the laptop. i don't really see the need right now to undervolt the cpu or overclock the video card.

in the game console you type "net_graph 1" to get the fps info and other details. i never used fraps but i know the majority out there use it to benchmark so maybe it is more realistic compared to TF2's ingame command.

but like i said the game runs smooth all throughout so I could care less what my FPS is. plus that's why i have my main desktop gaming rig for games that the laptop can't handle

hopefully you could get your laptop setup properly as it is a helluva deal at the price the majority of us got it for on sale.

 

Stock my 3DMark06 score is 3,602, since I updated to 8.8 it is now 3,671. Not a big improvement but still, it is an improvement.

 

DMC4 Test results

8.7:

8.8:

Test was run with no other programs running in the background at stock clocks. The results of the test showed roughly a ~1 fps improvement in all scenes.

 

dph - try going up a little more, say 621/748. Mine can run up to 621/774 without a problem. I can go a little more, but I like the safety room. It HAS run stable in the 630's on core, and 780's on mem.

I'm getting in the low 4300's on an M-6851, which has an Intel T5550, at 621/748 clocks.

Anyone else reading this later, keep in mind this is on the built-in 1280x800 LCD. 1280x1024 3DMark06 would be roughly 3850-3900. I actually hit 3982 at 1280x1024 using 634/801 clocks, but I wouldn't game at those clocks. A bit high on the mem clock to sustain, I think.


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X - If you're unhappy with the performance, jump on the P-6860FX for $799 refurb at TigerDirect.com.

Click here to go through search.live.com to get 10% cash back on the deal (now roughly $719) and that will take you to TigerDirect.com, and it's right on the homepage.

I guess ya gotta hope you can get $$$ back from BB. Mebbe you can b!tch about heat, or being slow, or something. If you fail the first time, as in they wanna charge you restocking fee, try another store or 2 first. I had that a few years ago, first 2 stores said no, 2rd said yes, and I've been going to THAT store ever since, and I make sure the mgr knows! It's nowhere near the closest, but service counts. I've dropped at least $4-5K between computer, TV's, and audio gear since I returned that lappie (Gateway 7410GX I think it was) so I'd like to think they think it was worth it.

Link to item at tiger to see it (go through above link to buy, though):

Link to Gateway P-6860FX at TigerDirect.com

Much look to ya - got any more HD2600 questions, if ya decide to stay on the M-6864FX, ask 'em quick - I gotta send this M-6851 back to Costco, and the 6864FX I never opened!


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Thanks for the tip Shark, I'll try bumping up those numbers a bit tonight and see if that gets me over the 4k mark.

 

just joined and read all 25 pages in 1 go.

i cant believe the things you guys are doing haha - i would overclock on my desktop, but on a laptop? you guys are amazing.

i picked up my m6874h yesterday. does installing 3dmark06 have any effects on dx10? i only ask because it installs dx9c with it.

 

Nope, it won't affect your DX10 at all.