ATI Mobility Radeon? HD 2600 vs. Nvidia Geforce 8600M GT 512MB

I'm still trying to find a way to overclock it at the moment...

As for the drivers, I just went to ATI directly and downloaded the latest Radeon HD 2600 drivers for Vista 32bit. They are not posted on the Mobility Radeon section, they are under the standard Radeon section.

You can use this modtool to properly install the Non-OEM drivers...
http://www.driverheaven.net/modtool/index.php

 

thanks again! Yea those are roughly the same clocks as the Asus F3sv (540/400 8600gs) and the HD2600 is performing better at the same clocks.

 

Apearently I have not had the latest drivers on my system when I did my initial benchmark tests... I downloaded the Radeon HD 2600 drivers from ATI directly and installed them, but the driver portion might have been skipped due to the OEM driver's not allowing the update.

I went to Driverheaven.net as stated in my previous thread just recently and I was able to try reinstalling the drivers by using the Mobility Driver Mod tool to mod it. Once modded, I was able to completely install the CC ver 7.8 with newest drivers.

I then ran the 3dMark06 again after a reboot, and now have these results...
(1280x800) with 500MHz Core Clock, and 400MHz Memory Clock.

With ATI's CCC at the Balanced Setting: (Improvement of 161 points)


With ATI's CCC at the High Quality Setting: (Improvement of 106 points)


With ATI's CCC at the Optimum Quality Setting: (Improvement of 90 points)


FEAR with Auto Detect: (Average Frame Rate Increased by 4 FPS)


FEAR with Maximum CPU/GPU: (Average Frame Rate Increased by 4 FPS)

 

Battery Life hasn't been completely tested yet... but it estimates a 2hr run time. It is a 6 cell battery, but they offer the 9 cell upgrade.

 

FYI I'm not sure if you can just go the ATI website and download the Cat drivers for your laptop. I know in the past they did not support their mobility cards with standard drivers. You had to download them (modded, of course) from driverheaven, laptop2go or omegadrivers.net.

That might have changed though (although I know Nvidia still does not support their mobility cards with mainstream drivers...gotta get modded versions there too).

Either way, great info! Keep it coming

 

Yeah, that's what I had to do to get an actual update on the driver. I downloaded the driver from ATI, then modded it with the tool provided by driverheaven.net. It definately helped to improve performance on the card based on my updated benchmarks.

 

Interesting piece of news: Toshiba claims their Radeon 2600 is DDR2

http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/content/product/pdf_files/detailed_specs/satellite_A200-ST2043.pdf

Under Graphics
(although I thought GDDR2 didn't exist??)

 

It seems DDR3 GPUs score 5.9 in Aero performance, where as DDR2 ones score in 4.x range. Bit dumb benchmark, really. Anyway, looks like newer Cats gave huge performance boost.

 

hmm well i get a 5.9 for aero and 5.0 for gaming

 

im hoping using newer drivers + overclocking will net 10 fps+

 

So based on these 3dmark scores, it looks like the DDR2 HD2600 is better than the GDDR3 8600M-GS and approximately equal to the DDR2 8600M-GT?

 

Based on the clock speeds Toshiba has set, it seems so yeah. If someone manages to overclock their Radeon to normal/full (stock?) speeds, we might see a DDR2 card squarely in between the 8600m GT ddr2/gddr3 versions.

Need more info!

 

Those drivers seemed to help, now get those overclocking scores (although you probably won't be able to overclock much as your card is GDDR2).

 

Maybe not the memory but the 65nm core is the same as in HD 2600XT so there probably is a lot of room for overclocking. Waiting in anticipation for the scores...

 

Oh I don't own one yet Waiting on my 8510p...

 

Does anyone have any tips on what OC software to use in Vista for the HD 2600?

ATI Tool didn't work for me in vista.

 

What about ATI Tray Tools?

 

or ATItool 0.27 Beta2? the 0.26 doesn't work but 0.27 does. Just google it and you'll get a link (it's in their beta forum)

 

So how do i find out if my 2600 is gddr2 or 3?

 

It's probably most likely either DDR2 or GDDR3. If it's stock clock is around 400, and it doesn't overclock past 550 or so, then it's probably DDR2. If the stock clock is around 600-700, and it overclocks up to 800-900, then it's probably GDDR3.

Note: I'm referring to the memory clock speeds here.

 

Does ATItune show GPU ram type?

 

So i guess its GDDR3? my memory clock is at 600

 

I tried both ATITool and ATI Tray Tools, and none of them allow me to overclock the GPU/Memory clock. I make the changes and then when I try to apply them, they go back to the default stock setting.

 

Have you run any benchmarks yet?

I checked up on your Fujitsu n6460; it has 256 dedicated and 256 shared memory. Since we know the GDDR3 version only comes in 256mb flavors, and based on your clock speeds (500 core/600 memory), you may very well have a GDDR3 HD 2600.

In which case I highly recommend doing some tests and getting back to us!

As to the drivers, I also suggest updating them using one of the sites I posted earlier in this thread.

 

Yea i updated them to the latest

 

Is it just me, or does he have it backwards?

The DDR3 one would be the lower clocked one, not the DDR2 version. If his card is 600, most likely it is DDR2.

 

It's just you The higher the clock the higher the number- DDR3 is the higher clocked one.

 

Benchies plz... thx

 

Ive got a few but from normal version [not mobile].
Source is a polish website that benchmarks a lot of stuff. They can be trusted.

Comparision table: [i have no idea why it does come up so weird, if admin knows please edit the post]
** HD2600 has got 24 superscalar units [whatever that is] capable of processing 120 instuctions perc cycle (24 * 5 instructions/cycle).

	GeForce 8600 GT	Radeon HD 2600 Pro	Radeon HD 2600 Pro	Radeon HD 2600 XT	Radeon HD 2600 XT
chip technological process transistors core area	G84 80nm 289 mln 160 mm2	RV630 65nm 390 mln 153 mm2
rendering streams	8	4 (1 blok RBE)	4 (1 blok RBE)	4 (1 blok RBE)	4 (1 blok RBE)
amout of stream's processors [?]	32	24 (120*)	24 (120*)	24 (120*)	24 (120*)
data splitting	Stream Output Giga Thread	Ultra-Threaded Dispatch Processor
Core MHz	540 MHz (1180)	600 MHz	600 MHz	800 MHz	800 MHz
Memory size memory bus	256 MB DDR3 128-bitowa	256 MB DDR2 128-bitowa	256MB DDR3[/span] 128-bitowa	256MB DDR3 128-bitowa	256MB DDR4 128-bitowa
Memory MHz	2x700 MHz	2x400 MHz	2x700 MHz	2x700 MHz	2x1100 MHz
memory capacity	22 GB/sek.	12.5 GB/sek.	22 GB/sek.	22 GB/sek.	34.4 GB/sek.
picture quality	PureVideo	Avivo HD, UVD

I will copy and paste and update into English. of course not the pics

Tested PC
AMD Athlon64 X2 4400+ (Brisbane) 2300MHz
MSI K9APlatinum (AMD RD580) CrossFire
Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 2x512MB CL 5-5-5-18
Samsung 80GB SATA
Chieftec CFT-620-A12S
Windows XP Pro PL SP2
Windows Vista Home Premium PL

Drivers used:
nvidia: 168.18 - WinXP
nvidia: 168.22WHQL - WinVista
ati: Catalyst 7.7 - X1550
ati: Catalyst 7.8beta (8.40RC3) - XP/Vista


Tested cards (gpu/mem MHz)
Palit Radeon HD2400Pro 256MB DDR2 64-bit (600/790)
Palit Radeon HD2400XT 256MB GDDR3 64-bit (700/1500)
ASUS Radeon HD2600Pro 256MB DDR2 (600/990)
Gigabyte Radeon HD2600XT 256MB GDDR3 (800/1390)

As we are mostly intrested in 2600 i will give more info bout them:
PRO:
GPU 600 MHz
Mem DDR 500 MHz (1000 MHz) 256MB DDR2 128-bit 2 ns

XT:
GPU 700 MHz
Mem DDR 700 MHz (1400 MHz) 256MB GDDR3 128-bit 1.4 ns

Now a bit of screens from test. They O/C the 2600 to get more out of it. It will be shown. Because I dont want to make the post too long I will only give some. To view them all go to http://www.benchmark.pl/artykuly/recenzje/RadeonHD/strona-7.html
and flick through pages.

All in high quality settings.












O/C:





DX10 games/demos:

'ustawienia srednie' means medium quality.




'cenie' means shadows


Overal conclusion:
They were not very happy that 2600 had so many problems with AA. The higher the setting was, the slower it performed. Yet, they know that the limitation was mostly in the drivers.
They havent tested the 2600XT which has got DDR4 and they assume that it will be best compared to 8600GT.

ENJOY

 

The mobility radeon is not necessarily directly based on the desktop version (I know the HD2600XT is not based on the desktop 2600 core, don't know for sure about the non XT version) so those benchmarks aren't so helpful.

 

They would if we knew what exact specification does the mobile versions have... cany any owners run Everest to check, maybe??

 

You can't compare desktop GPUs to mobile GPUs, you might as well delete that post it just misinforms everyone.

 

GUYS THE 8800GTX IS AWESOMEZZZ!

Seriously, think about the bandwith you are wasting before posting that stuff. Doesn't someone actually have the mobile HD2600 part? Just have him run some benchmarks at predetermined settings and do the same with a 8600m.

 

Yeah, at least two forum members (that I know of) have the MR HD2600. We have preliminary 3dmark06 scores, but I'd really like to see in game benchmarks and 3dmark scores for a range of clock speeds, so that we can compare it to different clocked 8600M-GT's.

 

Sorry Destiny...everyone else is basically correct, even if they may not have worded it very kindly

While you can garner some very general information from a mobile card's desktop equivalent, the two often end up being completely different as Odin said. I've heard the mobile 2600s are actually based on the desktop 2900, but who knows.

Again as Odin pointed out, we know a decent amount about the mobile DDR2 HD 2600 version, but very little about the GDDR3 one. Only Malignant seems to potentially have a GDDR3 HD 2600.

On that note, I forgot about Everest! Malignant, grab it asap and let us know

 

im running everest now but i dont see any info about the graphics card

oh and i did run 3marks06 but some lame bug prevents the program from starting up properly so I can't even see the results myself.

 

hmm ok, got this gibberish from [ Debug - Video BIOS ]

C000:0080 PA`@.................M76.PCI_EXPRESS.DDR3...Fujitsu Baikal M76M
C000:00C0 A15 GDDR3 500e/600m ..... ..
C000:0100 .(C) 1988-2005, ATI Technologies Inc. .ATOMBIOSBK-ATI VER010.055

i guess this means my card has gddr3

 

Excellent. Now I just have to wait until Thursday to see about my 8510p :\

 

If we could get the confirmation from somebody else that would be great After that I guess sale of 8510p will raise dramatically

Well, if You think that the post shouldnt be there delete it. I dont mind. I just thought that having those info would help.

 

Can somebody finally run the Everest so we can check what HD2600 is it??
I found this: http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-2600-XT.3770.0.html today and if the cards from 8510p will have clocks at around 700 MHz core and 750 MHz for mem we will know what is it

 

eh why wouldn't hp list the card as XT if it were an XT

 

First of all, notebookcheck is, to say the least, not a very reliable source.

Second of all, we have no confirmation that the HD2600 and the HD2600XT differ only by clock speeds.

However an Everest report would be nice to see the detailed information of the HD2600.

 

I'm not going to read every single post... So which card is winning at the moment?

 

You could skim it and find out the answer that way.

Mais vraiment, ils se sont à peu près pareil.

 

Based on what we know right now, the 8600M core appears to be slightly more powerful at equal clockspeeds, or at least more efficient. So which ever one has higher clocked memory will be better (i.e. a GDDR3 HD2600 would beat a DDR2 8600M-GT, but a GDDR3 8600M-GT would beat a GDDR3 HD2600). This is based on my interpretation of preliminary benchmarks, and may not be entirely accurate.

 

The point is, the difference isn't too significant if you already have one of them. If the 9x00m series ever comes out as MXMII cards, we would expect 7-8000 points in 3DMark 06 (speculation at its finest). The difference between these cards would be a few hundred, at best, from what I've seen.

 

Desktop wise the XT kicks the 8600GTS[best version of the 8600 out there] on XP. But in Vista it's a whole different story altogether.

 

3Dmark is not the best way to compare... if the next gen was able to give you at least 10FPS more on DX10 games wouldnt you change it if it was a matter of being able to play the newest games?? We have to remember that laptops are not things that You upgrade easily. If it is a major upgrade it should last for longer time. If not, its better to consider buying a new laptop.

 

The HD2600XT is not really related to the Mobility HD2600XT, so those comparisons don't mean much. I'm not even sure if their's an XP driver for the Mobility 2600 series yet.