ATI Mobility Radeon? HD 2600 vs. Nvidia Geforce 8600M GT 512MB

Well, I don't know why that mod says XP doesn't support the 2600, because HP has an 8510p option for XP only...

I'm on their site looking at the drivers right now Oh well!

 

I was speaking of the XT. As I said I'm not sure how closely the two cards are related. There is certainly XP support for the normal HD2600.

 

I think what needs to be taken into account even given that the 2600 and 8600 are equal in performance at the same clock speed is that the 2600 is on a smaller process so it should use less power, produce less heat, and also have alot more overclock potential due to that.

So in the end the 2600 should win because of that advantage, and even if it ties, you should be able to look forward to a cooler laptop and more battery life.

 

any tests proving viciousxusmc point? //my my i thought roughly the same, but would love to see that on paper the best would be to even use the same platform (mobo/ram/cpu/hdd...) from the same manufacturer with only exchanging the gpx card...

 

What you're suggesting is the norm for desktop reviews, but not really possible on laptops, as you normally can't exchange the graphics card.

For benchmarks of the HD2600, read the rest of this thread.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=2407120

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zzz night

 

yeah i know, i'm rather desktop oriented i've got somewhat 5 major builds that are constantly evolving since their birth but need to switch to something more movable than my heavy-weight main desktop rig (20kg) and my "in-depth" knowledge of portable solutions is pretty shallow if not limited by the factor of little personal experience still i believe manufacturers like to make variations so maybe there is an option to get note xyz-v.1 with gfgo and xyz-v.2 with mr with otherwise exact same config it is possible, isn't it?

i've seen these tests - and in other threads still there's so little info out there unfortunately there are only a few tests with even slight misleading info on what versions are tested, and no "in-game" tests that we all know to differ from 3dmark scores

ackeron -> unfortunately your rig is somewhat $900 more than eg toshibas with "same" gpx card (where "same" is obviously not that same as "=", rather "~" ) still it will shed some light on the matter

 

Well I have a Asus C90S its made to have an exchangeable gpu, so thats what notebook I am thinking about mostly when I say what I say. the 2600(xt) is already confirmed for it. Its just a simple 5 minute affair to change the gpu out.

 

You have to bear in mind that new GPU might not be as energy efficient as the old one so it might be getting too hot in the case...

 

2600xt is confirmed you say? thats awesome, that might just sway me again towards a c90

 

I'm waiting for the 2600 before ordering mine =/

If it's a HD2600 DDR2, I'm getting the Geforce, if it's a HD2600 GDDR3 or a 2600XT, I'm going for the radeon (the price will also be a factor though, if the DDR2 2600 is like $140 then...)

Asus put the drivers for "ATI M76-M" on the c90 download page a few weeks ago so we take it like at confirmation!

 

No, he put XT in parentheses for a reason. No one knows (to the best of my knowledge) if the C90s will feature the XT version or not. Personally I'm guessing not, but I suppose it's possible.

 

Yeah I know know for sure if its the 2600 or the 2600xt thats why it was in parenthesis. Although I think somebody said Asus has the new card listed on there page under the parts list... so I suppose that will be a good place to look.

 

ahhh my mistake, i would prefer the 2600 either way over the 8600

 

who offers 2600xt cards in their laptops?

 

The HP HDX has one, I'm not sure about any other laptops with it.

 

yea i think that is the only one, way to go ATI for advertising so much :S

 

Actually I got mine for 1395 US

 

from where????

 

My Toshiba was about $1330 USD.

 

http://www.shopblt.com

 

Ackeron, how is the performance of the HDD looking?? what about heat and noise??

 

OK so you've managed 170 posts with two benchmarks.
Take a look at this one: http://www.notebookjournal.de/tests/302/1

3D Mark 06 score is low but probably due to old drivers (optimizations for HD 2x00 were available in Cats 7.8) plus the thing runs on Turion X2 1,8GHz.

3D Mark 06: 2.479
FEAR High: 41fps (@FYX193 provided us with 30fps score for 1024x768 so there is a difference somewhere)
DirectX-10-Benchmark Call of Juarez: aver. 14.8fps
(compared to 8600M GT with 512MB DDR2 and C2D 2.2GHz with aver. 15.3fps)
Aquamark 3: 63166
Collin McRae DiRT: 28fps (1024x768)

It's very cheap- 800€ is less than $ 1100.
Wonder how this thing overclocks- it's 65nm after all

 

damn ackeron that price is so tasty...

the nearby shop has the toshiba a200 (2ghz, 2gb, 300gb, hd2600 256mb) for 5200pln, while hp 8510p (2ghz, 1gb, 160gb, hd2600 256mb) is for 8600pln! the only diffrence lies in guarantee - default for toshiba, and 4 yrs for hp. but thats still roughly 3000 pln of a difference...

and just to inform you...
1 EUR = 3.8230 PLN
1 USD = 2.7990 PLN
1 GBP = 5.6424 PLN
1 CHF = 2.3215 PLN

yeah i know, the prices are damn high...

 

I'll do another FEAR benchmark with a High/High setting to get a better comparison to their results. My previous FEAR tests were done on a Maximum/Maximum as well as a System Recommended setting(Minimum/Custom).

Results will be posted shortly.

 

Thanks, I didn't notice yours were Max/Max.

BTW nothing new on the overclocking?

 

Nope... I cannot seem to find any program that can actually overclock it in vista.

FEAR at High/High (1280x768)

 

Looks good. Driver update gave you 4fps with higher settings so this difference is perfectly OK, Seems Turion has no negative impact in games.
Just the 3D mark 06 score looks terrible
Thanks

 

Vista actually gives the HDD a 5.0 now, so I dunno must be good I haven't really done much other than install stuff so far, but there's been 0 heat and 0 noise other than HDD clicking.

I'll run some tests if I get a chance this week...stupid paper.

 

I wont see my new lap until 21-22nd of September anyway so I can only hope there will be more benchmarks/revies/test/info before coming Tuesday when I have to decide what to get.

 

Wow, thanx. Say hello to my new Hp 8510p(to be purchased soooon)!

 

Bleh. Finally downloaded the 600mb 3dmark06 trial version and it blanks my screen. Hrm!

 

nah, ackeron, the shop is great, but not for me - i mean the costs of transport are killing their every deal... plus i can't find any interesting deal now. and the taxes you pay if trying to get the stuff from their shop get you to the 9k range in pln... the same i'd pay for mbp or vaio's from local reseller... still i'll be looking for a deal as that rig is quite interesting. btw, how's the battery life?

 

Someone got 2:15 DVD and I got 4 hours browse/work/school

 

Still no luck with 3D mark??

 

3dmark06 update:

Well, on Vista with my underclocked (500/450) GDDR3 HD 2600, I get 3312 at 1280x1024. This is w/o a fresh reboot, running all my usual programs.

So if I rebooted, cleaned out the system and upped my clocks to stock (500/600), I'm assuming it would go up to maybe 35 or 3600. As the GDDR3 8600gt gets around 3700, that's not bad.

 

I phail at life, so I'm going to ask a question.

C90+HD 2600?

Will it happen? If so, when?

 

That is a nice score! Can't wait till my 8510p arrives. Ackeron, if you don't mind, and you're not to busy on your term paper, could you upload those pictures of the wsxga+ screen (perhaps in the hp 8510p thread in the HP forum) ?

 

the 8600GT is better than the HD 2600 but not the HD 2600XT which is significantly better.

 

Yes, it's essentially confirmed that some version of the HD2600 will go into the C90s, but there's no real timeframe that I know of.

 

I am curious about the difference between the HD 2600 and the HD2600XT versions. What did you base this conclusion on, though?

 

The HD 2600 XT as found in the HP HDX appears to perform on par with the 8700M-GT, if not slightly better. The rumor is that this is because the HD2600XT is based on the desktop 2900 core, instead of the desktop 2600 core. And the HD2600 as found in the 8510p and the Toshiba A200 appears to perform on par with the 8600M-GT (or slightly under, by maybe 5%) at the same clock speeds.

 

Acekeron what was wrong with the 3dMark?? Why it wasnt working?? Nice results! If this version will be ok to o/c and its not cut down on anything we can expect results close to XT desktop version which runs on 800/700
sounds a bit optimistic, I know but thats what o/c is all about

 

So M76 also known as HD2600 is different than M76 also known as HD2600XT.
What's more one M76 should be 65nm (based on RV630 with 120 stream processing units) whereas the other one also has to be the same (ATI site confirms it) but is based on R600 (320 steam processing units 80nm card)

ATI site has the same technical data for both Mobility Radeon HD2600 and Mobility Radeon HD 2600XT:
http://ati.amd.com/products/mobilityradeonhd2600/specs.html
http://ati.amd.com/products/mobilityradeonhd2600xt/specs.html

It's the same card with different clocks- that's all.
BTW if you google for this "rumor" the source seems to be one of posts that came from this forum

 

They are both the same. The difference is that 2600 might be also using DDR2 memory as its frequencies for core/mem are lower. XT version has got DDR3 mems so it has got higher mem freq.

 

They have two different codenames, on is M76M the other is M76XT.

Both of the two cards are based on R600. R600 has nothing to do with the die size.

I understand, but ATI's specifications provide no useful information about the cards. For example, the 8400M-GT and the 8600M-GS are both 128-bit cards with 16 stream processors, which would lead one to believe that they differ only by clock speeds. However, in reality one is based on the G84M core (the 8600M-GS) while one is based on the G86M core (the 8400M-GT).

Possibly, however, we have no confirmation of that as of yet.

As for the rumor, it did not originate on this forum. I'll try to see if I can find the report that started it for you.

 

mhm interesting, i believe most competition from gf8600 ground seems to have problems with breaking the 3hrs barrier and that with almost everything off asus f3sv, for example, has problems with 2hrs 30mins of cordless freedom...

your 4hrs of working time nails it. i guess one can reach even more when turning off 'tooth, wifi and unneeded services - just wondering if notes with hd2600 for the very interesting price and performance ratio would offer 5hrs of battery life

 

You can always try downclocking the 2600 [if finally the software will be able to handle the card] so it will consume less energy. I dont know how is it with Vista but on XP the most energy consuming thing was anything connected through USB.

 

Um, apparently there's an issue with ATI 2900s (thus the mobility HD 2600 GDDR3 version and the HD 2600XT? People with the DDR2 version didn't report problems, or did they? hmm...) and 3dmark06 where the program freezes when trying to read your system specs, apparently because the GPU is too new or doesn't like Futuremark programs or something.

All I did was disable system scanning and run everything like normal. However! Because I couldn't upload my scores online without a system scan, the free version was bunk. I had to borrow my friend's retail copy of 3dmark06 so I could get a hard copy on my HDD.

 

Look here!! http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

Here you can see that the 3dmark scores of the Ati HD2600 (not XT!!) are +- equal to the 8600M GT! Can someone tell me what 3dmarks really are (I mean you have 3d mark 01, 03, 05 ,06 -> differences?) Thanks in advance!