ATI Mobility Radeon? HD 2600 vs. Nvidia Geforce 8600M GT 512MB

It sounds like ATI Tool is detecting the reference clocks instead of your actual clock speeds. I would just try a different program.

 

I believe that ATITool Doesn't support HD2600 yet. Try Atitraytools.

 

Just popping in to let everybody know. HP 8510p HAS got a HD2600 DDR3 card. I have no doubts now since I saw it on mine

Everest is saying m76.PCI_EXPRESS.DDR3...HP VB 1.0 M76M GDDR3 256MB 500m/450e and ATi Catalyst Control Centre in graphics hardware section has got memory type DDR3 there wohoo

 

emcdade9: I don't think there is a 512mb version of the GDDR3 HD 2600, so I'm guessing you got DDR2

 

I think I have the same laptop, mine is a ASUS F3KA. My 3dMarkscore06 is
3200 @ 1280x800 @ default settings. My OS is XP and the driver I'm using is the newest Catalyst version 7.10.

I guess it does a pretty good job.

However my batterytime is only 1 hour and 45 minutes.

 

Yeah that's good. It sounds as if the HD 2600 is pretty much the same as the 8600 GT, well version to version anyway.

DDR2 HD 2600 (3200 3dmark06 1280x800, XP) ~= DDR2 8600 GT (3300 1280x800 XP (or was it Vista?))

GDDR3 HD 2600 (3300 3dmark06 1280x1024 Vista underclocked by 200mhz core/mem) ~= GDDR3 8600 GT (3700 3dmark06 1280x1024 Vista fully clocked)

 

I can't seems to make my mind up... got a quote for the MSI GX600 (review) almost $3,000 way over my budget. So I was thinking about the MSI GX610 again... its got the HD2600 DDR3 with an AMD Turion64 X2 TL-56 (1.8GHz). How will the GPU compare to the ones in C2D processors? will it be slower or it won't be noticeable at all?

 

The TL-56 should be sufficient for modern games, you'll only really notice a difference in RTS' when lots of units are on the screen (large battles and such).

 

I've got the DDR2 version of the HD2600 and I scored almost 3100 (3093 to be exact) in VISTA at 1280x800 with a non-fresh system. And my "default" clocks are 500 core / 400 (800 effective) mem instead of the true default 500/600(1200). Will do a test with a fresh boot system and post back.

 

Hi all.

Are you sure the 512 mb HD 2600 isnt DDR3?

Ive been researching about laptops and my decision fell on the Asus F3Ka

( http://se.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=5&l2=26&l3=316&l4=0&model=1826&modelmenu=2 )

Equiped with Turion X2 TL-60 2,0 ghz
2 gb ddr2 ram
160 gb HD
Mobility HD 2600 (512 mb)
For about 1500 dollars or 1100 Euro.

I havent received it yet, excpected delivery tomorrow.

But now I found the Toshiba Satellite Pro A200(GE)-1F9.

( http://uk.computers.toshiba-europe....service=UK&PRODUCT_ID=131911&toshibaShop=true )

Which is fitted with:
C2D T7300 2,0 ghz
2 gb ddr2 ram
250 gb HD
and Mobility HD 2600 (appears to be 256 mb)
And the price is only 50 euro or 70 dollar more

Othervise the laptops are equally equipped.

Which should you pick? I leave the decision to you.

And do you think that the HD 2600 on the toshiba is a GDDR2 or GDDR3?

I will play games on the computer and want it to be as powerful as possible, for that price.

This mess up with the diffrent versions of the GPU is really bad. I think the vendors and manufacturers should be MUCH more clear in their communication. And calling up the resellers are hopeless, my grandmother knows more about technical specifications =(

Thanks for all the help.

Cincerly

Johan Öberg

 

I'd email the guys selling the Asus and have them check if it's DDR2 or GDDR3.

The Toshiba is likely DDR2.

I'd go with the Asus but personally, I'd be looking for an external hard drive or something since I don't have any other computer to dump my stuff on.

Also did that test with a fresh system. Got 3107, yeah that's right, 14 point increase . Will also try doing some minor (technically not OCing since speeds < ATI default) OCing.

 

Try running the new GPU-Z program in the gaming forum. It might shed some more light on your GPU type.

 

Thank you!

So im better of with the Asus then, better GPU (if the 256mb is also GDDR2)...

But i got a sense of regretting my purchase when I saw that C2D kicks Turion X2 ass in 3dmarks...:/

I phoned the Toshiba support, who (yes, you got it) knew nothing. But he took my email and told me that he will get back.

If the Toshiba has GDDR3, it IS the highest performing laptop on the Swedish market for a low cost, as I know of!

 

This is what i got from ChileHardWare, are they the only one to know?

La información que tenemos es de dos tarjetas con diferente configuración, ambas HD 2600.


HD 2600 512MB


Frecuencia CPU: 450MHz
Frecuencia Memorias: 400MHz
Cantidad de memoria: 512MB DDR2
Bus PCI- Express 16x
Codename: M76

HD 2600 256MB

Frecuencia CPU: 450MHz
Frecuencia Memorias: 693MHz
Cantidad de memoria: 256MB GDDR3
Bus PCI- Express 16x
Codename: M76


Why doesent ATI give the different numbers a postfix lik 2600 mk1 or something.

 

I will. But if we could establish that the Toshiba has GDDR3 then I will try to resend the Asus, which should come today.

What laptop would you pick?

 

Theyve been doing this for ages... its up to the reseller to make sure he advertises that his gf card is better so its DDR3.

 

So, you think that the 256 mb HD 2600 on the toshiba A200-1F9 is GDDR3?

And one other thinks it is GDDR2...

 

Now im sitting with a Asus f3Ka in from of me, Im about to unpack it but im not 100% sure this is the optimal laptop at this cost....



The toshiba has better CPU and HD, but what about the GPU and build quality...

 

I have a satellite pro 200 t7300 2gb ram 200 gb and i assure you that quality is outstanding...build,details and harman kardon sound are amazing!
Also hd2600 rocks for a 1k laptop i think it's the best in his price range

 

another question that will make me look like an idiot...

I read somewhere on another thread that DDR3 and GDDR3 on a graphic card are different?

 

From what i know, the only difference between DDR3 and GDDR3 is voltage consumption.

DDR3 which is newer than GDDR3, consume less voltage than GDDR3.

 

GDDR3 is based on DDR2, but is developed for use in graphics cards. DDR3 is Computer RAM. GDDR2 was the memory in Geforce FX5800, and was an early midpoint between DDR and DDR2 technologies.

 

What about the performance?

 

Yeap, fabarati is correct.

Well... i have seriously no idea. Probably you could overclock them higher since they create less heat?

I am no expert on this so maybe you can find your answer google-ing or wait for other experts to reply.

 

If they could get the cas latency down on DDR3, it will be faster, since it will clock higher. The thing is, the usage for the two types are different. GDDR memory (GDDR 3,4,5) are meant for use in Graphicscards, and will be optimized for that, while DDR3 (and future itterations) will be better for general computing.

 

Hey guys !

got the satellite A210 14S wit da 2600 MR

what 3dmarks (06) are u ?

got 3280 with the DDR2 Version of the HD2600...

and latest driver-

i would like to oc the card but i think the power 7.0 inplacement makes it imposseble.

or not?

cya neow

 

3280 seems a bit high for DDR2. Are you sure your HD2600 isn't GDDR3? You can tell what kind of RAM your HD2600 has with this program:

GPU-Z

And you can overclock your HD2600 with this program:

AMD GPU Clock Tool

 

he probably ran it on 1280*800 res

 

ok. I ran GPU-Z on my Asus f3ka (HD 2600)

It shows following:

Name: M76M
Technology: 65nm
Subvendor: Asus(1043)
ROPs:4
Shaders: 120 unified
DirectX support: 10.0
Pixel Fillrate: 0,4 G pixels/s
Texture Fillrate:0,4 g texel/s
Memmory type: DDR2
Bus witdth: 128 bit
Memory size: 512 MB
Bandwidth:8,1 Gb/s
Driver Version: atiumdag7.14.10.0503
GPU Clock:110 MHz Memory:252 MHz
Default Clock:500 MHz Memory 400 MHz

So what do you think about that spec?

Honestly im far from impressed by the speed of the system.

Yes, i know its Vista which eats ~30% of memory...

But i came from a stationary AMD 64 +3000 1b PC3200 Ati Radeon AIW 9800 pro... so i belive i should feel some change.

I still have thought about sending it back bevause of better performance on other systems...

 

Can anyone who have the Toshiba Sat Pro a200-1F9 do a GPU-Z analysis and post it. that would answer all my questions.

Thanks

Found out that GPU-Z has a statics site:

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/sea...pe=&MemSize=&MemBusWidth=&ClockGPU=&ClockMem=

Since i seem to have the worst HD 2600 (in terms of MHz, bandwidth, and texture/pixel fillrate), is it a dead race or is there a large interval of mHz to tweak?

Im lost, again...

 

All Satellites A200/A200Pro/A210 have the same HD2600 DDR2
GPU-Z screen courtesy of @ energymix of notebookcheck.pl forum.

 

hey i had 3180 points, I confused 1 by 2 ....

GPUz saied that i got DDR2 RAM

OC makes not much differenc from the normal rate...

chip 25 Mhz #OC and ram 15 mhz OC 3dmark same pkt.

thats funny

 

or -I make a mistake ?!?!

 

You certainly double-post

25 MHz is not an overclock by anyone’s standard but maybe your card just didn't actually overclock.
There is no good soft for HD Mobility series ATM and sometimes when you set new freqs they just go back to default in a few seconds.
Anyways- Toshiba A200 with HD2600 256MB DDR2 and C2D 1.8 achieved over 4100 3D Marks 06, so I wouldn't say OC is useless- just the opposite in fact.

 

i cant beleave that the toshi A200 wit c2d and the same GC makes 1000 pkt more then with an AMD CPU....

 

It doesn't...

Wait, does 1000pkt mean 1000 points?

 

It doesn't! The difference is caused by OC not CPU.
With default clocks A200-1AX (C2D 1.8) has the basically the same 3D Mark 06 score as A210-129 (Turion 1.9) meaning circa 3100-3200.

 

ah thats nice but ive tried again to oc my hd2600 but cant give em more Vcore so its not be easy to oc the card !

my second oc test resoult is 45 points more than without oc.... OC ah 28 mhz core tuning hehe

pkt = punkte - Points :right

EDIT

but do you mean ocing a mobility HD2600 ??? how do you want do this ? u have to oc the chip minnimum about 100 to 150 mhz i think! and ram by 100 to get 1000 pkt more! or not?

if i understod u right.... it can be but not yet ?!

 

If i consider my GPU-Z specs:

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/3esaz/

And compare it to the 256 mb DDR2 version. The 512 mb version i really lagging behind in terms of GPU & default clock speed, texture & pixel fillrate and bandwidth... IS that loss possible to regain with OC or is it a dead race? And where is the limits? which parameters is increased as result of OC?

 

um...That's downclocked, likely to save power (it does it automatically). Or it's just not reading right. Remember that GPU-Z is still a VERY early version.

 

I can't see the problem. You have PowerPlay's power saving mode enabled while your 3D clocks are typical for DDR2 version (same as Toshiba A200 etc)

You don't need Vmod- 4100 score was achieved with some 700MHz core and 500MHz memory. It's 65nm chip so it doesn't get hot. Why don’t you just change the freqs instead of talking voltage

 

You can get the same performance as the default clocked parts by overclocking. Take a look at this thread for an example of an HD2600 (GDDR3 version) owner getting dramatic performance improvements by overclocking:

ATI 2600HD Review

Out of curiosity, what is your 3DMark 06 score at your current settings? It should be around 3000. If it's in the neighborhood of 3000, then GPU-Z is probably incorrectly reporting the clock speed of your HD2600.

 

Could I de-down clock it?

I am installing 3dmark 06 (basic edition = free).

I will do a benchmark run, what is the settings i should use?

 

Use standard settings (you can't change them anyways). It will automatically clock up when needed. It's a good thing that it downclocks, it keeps the temps down and give you a longer battery life and lifelength.

 

i changed the frequency but when i oc the chip over 25 mhz the screen get black and i have to reboot...

thats my problem...

how can i get more frequency wit my hd 2600? i think i make it wrong or not ?

 

Ha.

3dmark 06 freezes at the (first start initial) system check. I have tried to reboot and i run the program as a admin, which my acount is! still doesent work. ieven though it freezes it seem to use a hell of CPU (70%)

Any one got any tips?

 

You need to rename or delete the file "direcpll.dll". I'm not sure if this is necessary with the latest ATI Catalyst drivers (7.10). You might as well install the 7.10 drivers if you don't already have them.

 

jea got it thx to all 700mhz chip 500 ddr2

but 3550 points in 3dmark06 :/ not above that

 

Ok. i will install them right away.

Currently I have the 8.381.0.0 driver released 2007-05-24.

I hope things will go smoother with the new Cat drivers.

Ehhm... I guess this is widely known, but I cant find any drivers at ATI... where do you get them, read something about driversheaven, are their drivers safe? (if i get a GPU brakedown, i dont want to be out of warranty...)

 

http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=vista32/common-vista32

I'm not sure if these drivers work with the mobile version. If they don't, you can get them to work using this tool:

http://www.driverheaven.net/modtool/index.php