ATI Mobility Radeon X1900!?

Hehe well actually I would but it is not out in the Netherlands

But if I would have this notebook I would make a 30 page review!!

Charlie

 

...there's even driver manufactured by ATI for the Mobility Radeon x1900 in the FSC xi 1554 driver pages. Could that package include any information about MR x1900...

 

So this graohics carrd isnt dx 10
For right now it's good but if I want a dx10 mobile card im going to nvidia.
Also i have an integrated graphics card will I be able to just add a new graphics card or will i have to get a new mother board and a grapics card and more ram?

 

There's no way you can upgrade an integrated graphics card unfortunately:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=86864
If you want a dedicated graphics card, you will need to buy a new notebook.

 

Yes, as Chaz has already mentioned, you cannot upgrade the graphics card, because you have integrated graphics already. Also, nVidia is going to take a long time yet to release a Go G80 based (8800 Series) graphics card onto the market. Most people expect it to be released some time much later in the year. By that time, ATI would have released there R600 onto the desktop market. They may just be able to get a DX10 Mobility model onto the mobile market, before the end of 2007. However, even that is something that may or may not happen. High end cards from ATI haven't been produced in such large numbers a nVidia ones, because the demand for nVidia is much more, seeing as though many manufacturers prefer nVidia.

 

Maybe I should of waited before i bought this oh well
I can still play guild wars
thanks a bunch

 

You can probably still buy some RAM, however, the graphics card will still be limiting the game performance quite a bit.

 

It's finally announced by ATI/AMD: http://ati.amd.com/products/MobilityRadeonx1900/index.html

 

Hmm... I don`t get it. A lot more pixel shaders, better memory controller and yet the same # of transistors?

 

wow nice!!! its exactly a desktop x1950pro in a laptop!!! Thats what I was hoping it would be. Thats like 9.2-10K 3Dmark05 at stock and it's a great over-clocker (at least the desktop version is).

 

Hmm, it seems that it only has a 256-bit memory controller, the x1800 has a 512-bit ?? :S

 

I will quote myself:

A forum member said that it is equal to a X1950Pro in a dekstop, that would be incredible! 10k in 3dmark05? I want to be the first to be the record setter!

Charlie

 

I just like the image quality it adds over the x1800. 36 pixel shaders vs 16 of the x1800 and 24 of the 7950gtx.

About the x1950pro thing i said that its because the fabrication process, shaders, pipelines are quite similar. We have to wait to see what clocks they achieve on the card, although I'm pretty confident they will hit 575core/700memory to help counter the 7950gtx. The x1800xt mobility was 550/650 but with the new 80nm fabrication process they should be able to bump that up.

Of course thats all speculation and me hoping

 

Hey Link,

I am familiar with notebooks but I am not a real hardware geek What is pixel shadering? What kind of performance boost can 36 vs 16 give to a notebook? Like you said: I wonder at what memory speeds the memory will run. I think that the Fujitsu Siemens Xi1554 will have GDDR3, which means that it will be a great compatitor for the M1710, especially in Europe.

Can't wait to see a review of this machine. I really like ATI videocards, I wonder how this one is.

Charlie

 

I've just noticed the thread is active again. I've just had a look at the specifications, and they seem to be what we expected. I'm still not sure if this thing can perform faster than a Go 7950 GTX. That card si very powerful, and I also think that ATI would release a Mobility X1900 XT, to compete with something like the Go 7950 GTX. For that reason, I don't think the clocks will be massively high, maybe a little more than a standard Mobility X1800 XT. We'll just have to wait and see on that. I also think the availablity of the card isn't going to be nice. ATI high end cards have been quite rare in the past.

Charlie, I know that your question was directed to Link, but maybe I can give an insight. Pixel Shaders compose each pixel that is on a screen during a game for example. If there are more of them, then it can compose more. For that reason, the more pixel shaders their are, generally, the better the card will perform, at least on high resolution displays. I don't think in the case of the Mobility X1900 it will make a massive difference. Clockspeeds will make a difference, but it all depends on what ATI has the card clocked at. Also, the Xi 1554, will most probably have slightly lowered clockspeeds, so that the current cooling system can work on it.

 

Thanks for your reply Zero! You said that it will perform better on high resolution displays, the Xi1554 has a WUXGA screen. So I guess it will have an impact for the Xi 1554 right?

Can't wait to see a review of the X1900.

Charlie

 

Yes, certainly, it will have a imopact, and it should be quite big. An increase in pixels on the screen, means to get the same performance, or better, there would need to be a proportional number of pixel shaders in the raphics core. This is where ATI is focusing, and this should help it out a lot. If you compare the Go 7950 GTX with the Mobility X1900, as you may have done, you will notice the Mobility X1900 looks very good, and in a good position to compete with it. The only thing is, ATI has to get the clockspeed high on the core. Memory matters, but the core has more of an influence. Even if it was about 500 MHz, then that would be quite good. I don't think it will be something like 600 MHz, because running such a complex core architecture with so many pipelines, is very difficult. It would produce quite a lot of heat, even with an 80 nm process.

I am also looking forward to a review and some benchmarks for this system. The notebooks does look veryt powerful, and coupled with a good processor, alot of RAM, it should be. Also, the price isnt too bad. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

Have you thought of update possibility of x1800 to x1900, if it gives enough performance boost in games? I might consider it if it's actually possible for the fujitsu service partner to do it for me and if it doesn't cost too much.

 

Well, I have no need for the extra speed, but yes, if the time comes, then I might think about it. However, ATI cards are very rare, and the notebook that you and I have now and the Alienware M5750 (which is the same notebook as the Xi 1546) are the only ones the have a Mobility X1800. I assume Alienware will also release a new notebook with the Mobility X1900, but to buy a card on its own would probably cost alot of money. I remember Ice Tea used to sell normal Mobility X1800 cards, and they cost €425, which was quite alot. The Mobility X1900 will certainly cost more, if they are available for sale.

 

If we compare Geforce Go 7950GTX and desktop X1950 Pro, I wouldn't be so sure that the Mobility X1900 will be fastest. Especially, since the clocks have to be lower than that desktop part and Fujitsu propably underclocks them some more. On that comparison page, look at the Fill rates and Operations when you move the X1950 clocks down..

 

That compare site is so bad ronkotus.

7950gtx getting a 9.6 in overclockability while the x1950pro only getting a 7.9?

That is ridiculous...
The best desktop overclockers (in order from best to worst) is something like this:
1) 7900gs (XFX xtreme edition goes from 480mhz to 625-630mhz on stock cooling on core. +145 core is unrivaled =/ )
2) x1950pro (can get to just under 650 core 1600 memory[stock cooling] from 575/1400)
3) 8800GTS (can be clocked past GTX speeds, enough said)

7950gtx is just an overclocked 7900gtx that can't be pushed much higher. From what i hear just +50 on the core and barely any on the memory....

 

I understand both of your ideas, Link and ronkotus. Thing is, I don't think ATI will clock the card too highly, as you have mentioned. Fujitsu is going to have to clock down from the original specifications from ATI (whatever they are), as the cooling in the notebook probably isn't enough for the Mobility X1900. I would also think if ATi wanted to take the Go 7950 GTX on, they would have an "XT" varient, just so they can claim that the XT models are the latest and greatest. At least, that is what they have done in the past.

 

Instead of a XT version, just bring out the X1950 Mobility! Braking the 10.000 barrier with ATI!

I have searched an hour for a review but couldn't find anything. Maybe they will present the Xi 1554 at CES 2007?

Charlie

 

Well, what you propably didn't notice is that those stars are just votes of people. They are not the ultimate truth/fact about the card and not something you should take seriously. I think the site is very good, just don't look at the stupid stars... The point of that link was that you can use the clock sliders and look at the specifications of two cards side by side. Gives you pretty good idea of the strenghts and weaknesses of different cards.

..what's that with the desktop overclockers?

 

Showing that x1950pro doesn't deserve a 7.9 when its one of the best.

 

Searched for reviewes but cannot find anything for the X1900. You guys found anything.

Charlie

 

Got Xi 1554 in 2-3 days so prepare for some serious X1900 benching

 

What the?! Review coming up!? Hoaah!

Charlie

 

3dmarks, games and some pics - for sure. Big review - I don't think so. I have to write review to my magazine so maybe later I will put here english version

 

Where did you get it? Can't wait to see your benches and that english review if you have time to do it sometime. Want to see how much faster it's compared to this older Amilo Xi and maby even those Clevo/Sager gaming beasts..

 

Got good friends in FS But to be honest we have GREAT guy in our magazine. He has a lot connections in many companys, can get every laptop we want and can make it FAST. I can't wait to get X1900 in my hands, I hope it will be lightning fast (Alienware put X1900 in place of GF7900 in SLI so I guess it must have power )

 

can't wait for the reviews.

 

Is that so! That would mean that the X1900 has around 10.000 3dmark05 points (7900GS SLI = 9990). Wow, that is what I call fast!

Can't wait!

Charlie

 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The Alienware m5790 is basically same as FSC Amilo Xi 1554. Differences are Alienware's oc'd CPU possibility, the Blu-ray DVD drive and ofcourse it's tuned up for gaming..

 

hm... how do they overclock core 2 duo?

 

thats mean the GPU is cooled better than FS GPU
thats mean u can oc the GPU of Alienware's

 

every core duo 2 cpu comes with G that mean u can overclock it eg: 2.00G
XPS 1710 got 2.33G

 

@mastha212
how did u get 3dm05=4887 with w3j ???!!
Thx

 

Air conditioner set to max + mem/core @ 540 or something like tha
Sorry guys but I don't have Xi1554 yet, they told me that I will have it this week so maybe tomorow but at the moment I got "only" Asus U1

 

Not necessarily. The previous models, the M3438G/M5700 and the Xi1546/M5750 both had the same cooling, when compared to the counterpart Alienware and Fujitu Siemens model. The same will be true for the Xi1554 and M5790. GPU overclocking can be done in most notebooks, and since these will have the same cooling on the gtaphics processor, they should be able to overclock the same, depending on if the notebooks have good core revisions.

The other thing to note, is that Fujitsu Siemens Xi 1546 notebooks can run their Mobility X1800 on normal clocks of 450 MHz core and 1000 MHz. Fujitsu Siemens for some reason has just downclocked the card. The may do the same thing for the Xi1554. Alienware is a bootique manufacturer, and so they are focused on optional extras, like the faster processor. What it biols down to, is that both notebooks are the same, so their is no difference between models, just the configuration of components.

 

Ok, did not really understood it, but another question, if i buy a C2D processor to my xi1546, will i be able to overclock it, and if yes, how? Is it posslebe to overclock C1D?

 

I don't think it will be possible, as the BIOS in the motherboard doesn't let you chage any FSB settings. It might be possibly through some Windows programs, but I haven't tried it. I would think that both a Core Duo and Core 2 Duo would be overclockable, if the motherboard can do it. As soon as you do any overclocking, it voids the warranty, as does the processor upgrade.

Also, overclocking will only really help those people who are encoding or video editing. It probably won't help out all that much in gaming circumtances as the graphics card is still the militing factor there.

 

Tomorow @ 11am (which will be about 3-4 in the morning in States), Xi1554 with X1900, it's confirmed. It will be a good day

 

plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....... after being glad that you got it: RUN BENCHMARKS.... seems like you are one of the first persons on the internet to let us know about the real power behind the mobility x1900....

well... 3dmark06 would be enough tho. anything else would be sort of "bonus"

maybe some overclocking tries would be nice as well

 

I think I will provide FIRST ever x1900 scores (maybe I'm wrong but I haven't seen it yet anywhere). 3dmarks03,05,06 will be for sure tomorow, OCing + game benches...maybe tomorow maybe latter, not sure yet. You must be patient and I know it can be hard

 

yeah, haven't seen any benches anywhere on the internet either....

been googling all around the globe for sum days but nothin' even about clockspeeds on this animal.

forget about the game benches first. lets hand out sum 3dmark results first
i am no real fan of those penismark thingies but in THAT case it would be really cute hrhrhrhr

so be quick and get your step into the history of this mobility card

 

Make a review like mine!

3dmark03, '05, '06, PCMark04, '05.

BF2142, Oblivion, Half Life 2, Splinter Cell Double Agent, FEAR...

Oops I am going to far again Just post some 3dmark05/06 screenies and I am happy.
By the way: The Engadget claims that the X1900 may defeat the 7950GTX. I personally think that it is completely non sense... The X1900 in the F&S is probaly underclocked. The 7950GTX in the M1710 has dual pipe cooling and is not overclocked...

Good luck tomorrow!

Charlie

 

Hope it lives up to your/my expectations! Looking forward to seeing all 3dmark and game benchies first with a review to follow!

- link

(i expect it done when i wake up )

 

Got only HL2 and FEAR in my collection, but also Company Of Heroes, Prey and Far Cry co I think it will suit as well. 9:15am in Poland, 2 hours to get the FS