ATI Mobility Radeon X1900!?

Got it!!






Benches - soon!!

 

go ahead, go ahead. i am sitting in germany, so i am awake as well

first benches for europe plz
how is the card clocked? ^^

 

Clocks are: core 400 MHz, mem 470 MHz; 256MB GDDR3.

First scores, stock drivers (dated 10.2006) + stock clocks :

3dm03: 11800
3dm05: 7080
3dm06: 3460
PcMark: 4740

To be true, I'm little dissapointed. I was expected about 8000 in 05 and 4000 in 06 but maybe it's just outdated drivers. Later I will check it with newest Catalyst's and Omega's.

cheers

 

nice pickup

 

Wow... May I ask how much does the laptop cost you?

 

It costs me ONE BIG SMILE!! Hehe I got it only for tests for about a week, nothing more. BTW It seems that only original drivers from FS works with X1900, I can't install Catalyst neither Omega. I will try now some OC.

 

Yea so am I a little bit, but its only that slow because of the low clock-speeds. If fujitsu underclocked it which I believe they did then you have a lot of room for overclocking.

Just know you have 36 pipelines vs the 7950gtx's 24 pipelines so your image quality is much better. And considering the clocks on the x1900 are 400/470 vs 575/700 on the GTX your scores aren't bad at all .

The quality with that resolution must look amazing though . Hope to see more pics/benchies/overclock results.

edit: i just saw your above posts. the direct link drivers to omega at top of the page don't even work? it might just be a driver issue affecting performance.

 

Doesn't seem to have much improvement over the X1800. Those clocks are propably undeclocked. They seem to be same as I had with my underclocked X1800 (398,468 to be exact). ATI defaults are 450,500, which I use now.

I'm also a bit surprised. Those 36 pixel pipelines doesn't seem to give much.

 

A little disappointed here. This card performs more like a 7900GS. And The Engadget told us that it would beat the 7950GTX (think not!).

Like stated by Ronkotus: not a great improvement over the X1800. Seems like nVidia is truely taking the lead.

Charlie

 

Hmm I'm starting to think that X1900 won't be such a monster as everyone expected. OC results:

430/500 - no arts, 7605
450/500 (ATI defaults) - no arts, 7770

Conclusion:
With newer drivers with X1900 support I think Xi1554 can reach 8k in 05 or even better. Nevertheless ATI newest Mobility card is letdown, with 36 pipelines scores should be much better. From the other side 3dmarks are not the best way to measure GPU true power and I think X1900 will show something more in real-game benchmarks. I hope this little review will be helpful.
cheers

 

yeah i think you have to consider how new this is, i would think the next driver would show some improvements, but honestly testing in games etc. is the best way.

 

So for a +30/+30 jump from 400/470 you jumped up 525 in 3dmark05 scores.
Thats pretty darn good!
Did you let ati tool or ati tray tool find the 'max core' and 'max memory'?

edit: I got the feeling it has a long way to go and the company just underclocked it to make it more every-day user friendly. maybe alienware will clock it in the 500s i guess we will know soon...And i guess we expected much better considering the clocks on the desktop versions (625/650core for XT/XTX and 580core for PRO)...400core speed just doesn't cut it.

 

Those 450/500 may not be the default clocks for x1900 as they are for x1800. I'm actually more intrested how is the 3dMark06 score after overclocking, not so much -05. But as circa86 stated, the game testing is propably the best way to benchmark. If it can run most games with highest or near high settings and in native resolution, then it's darn powerful card.

 

For your request: 3dm06 score @ 450/500 - 3763
And about clocks. I think core can go higher but mems are limited, 520 and got artifacts so 500 (maybe 510) is max. I wouldn;t expect that Alienware release 500/550 version of X1900. IMO 500/500 is best we can get. Game benches will take me couple of days so I think I will show some scores next week.
cheers

 

I am presuming two things:

The X1900 has really bad drivers that are not optimalized... Catalyst 7.2 will fix this.

Or the X1900 is just not so powerful in 3dmark and performs better in games.

Or the X1900 is just worse then a 7900GTX.

Charlie

Oh wait those are three things right?

 

Thanks mastha for the benchmarks. This card looks more like a comparison to the Go7800GTX rather than the Go7900/7950GTX - I got 7078 marks in 3DMark05 and 4085 marks in 3DMark06 using the Alienware Aurora m7700 with a 256MB Go7800GTX and an Athlon 64 FX-60:
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2841
Looking at your scores:

...the Go7800GTX is faster, especially in 3DMark06.

How old are those drivers you are using?

 

Chaz, he uses drivers from Fujitsu Siemens (December drivers). Updating did not work, at least that is what he said.

One thing: does the X1900 has a temperatur sensor? How is the 80 nm technology when it comes to heat?

Charlie

 

Drivers are dated 10.2006 so quite old. And I can't install any newer one, neither Catalyst or Omega, they just don't work. And about heat, I will check it, but to be honest FS is loud even in idle.

 

Sorry guys no GPU temp sensors available Only CPU (43) and HDD (37), both @ idle.

 

The score with 7800gtx is in deffrent resolution then in xi1554, dont forget that this laptop have fullhd resolution and that why in 3dmark06 it is running att 1280x1024.

 

Actually it wasn't; I hooked the Alienware up to an external display and ran the 3DMark06 at the proper 1280x1024 when I did the review.

 

So X1900 sucks indeed? . BTW Yesterday I made a test in Company Of Heroes and have the same situation as I got with my X1600 - there's sound for couple of seconds but the screen is black and than it goes to Windows. I think it's 100% drivers issue. Today I will try with Prey, FEAR and Far Cry.
cheers

 

Atleast temperatures are low. My xi 1546 idle temperatures without cooling pad are: CPU 54C, HDD 45C

 

Darn no temperature sensor! I just hate that! That is why I love nVidia cards, they always have temperature sensors.

The temperatures are indeed nice for idle... By the way: have you tried updating videocard drivers?

Try these, they always work with notebooks: http://ati.amd.com/online/mobilecatalyst/

Good luck!!

 

@ Notebook Solutions : no they didn't work. I tried with newest Catalyst and Omega, it only accepts stock drivers from FS.

 

Well, this laptop has just made it's way to the markets. ATI has propably not yet implemented support for MR X1900. There's no mention about the card in the Mobile Catalyst 7.1 release notes.

 

@ Ronkotus:

Why present a notebook when you do not even have good driver support. I really don't like the way AMD/ATI is going. I am more leaning towards nVidia these days.

Charlie

 

I'm wondering that too.. E.g the MR X1700 has been in the markets for a while and still none of the official Mobile Catalyst drivers have support for it. Users have to manually modify the .inf files to make them work and they still won't work for some. I don't know what was the case with MR X1800 when it was first presented, was it the same as with MR X1900 now?

 

I think that the Mobility X1800 was implemented into the Xi 1546 much later than when it came out, and the drivers had probably already matured by then. I think the Sager NP5760 at one point had a Mobility X1800 XT. It might have come before the Xi 1546, and it may suffered from driver prematurity, similar to the Mobility X1900. I haven't been on NBR for quite a bit, but it looks as the Mobility X1900 performs around the Mobility X1800 XT.

 

Bad performance is for sure drivers issue. But also it's for sure that X1900 WON'T be faster than GF7900(7950)GTX. I think it will be similar to 7900 non-GTX. In game benchmarks is a little faster (at the moment) than 7800GTX in Chaz review.

Prey (1280x1024, highest quality, AAx4+AFx8) - 65fps
Far Cry (1280x1024, highest details, AAx4+AFx8) - 80fps
FEAR (1600x1200, AAx4+AFx8, soft shadows off) - avg. 23 fps

As you can see it's not that bad, but I think we all have expected something more. Hope to see newer drivers which will deliver performance boost to X1900.

 

Performance is nice, but certainly not something what would win from a 7950GTX. Or ATI should come with some incredible drivers that can boost up with 2000-3000 3dmark05 points.

Charlie

 

ATI has been making a lot of strange decisions of late, personally I see no logic in releasing a high end DX9 card now anyway, especially one that has low cost and equal/ better performance competition firmly established, in the next few months, the crowd that would want the card, wont want it as DX10 is here, and that is what they will buy. I've always liked ATI, but after the 9700/9800 cards(amazing cards in their time), they've slipped quite a it in terms of performance/features/and price, and the constant rebranding of old chips to make them seem better drives me nuts, not to mention the too little to late policy they seem to have adopted, the 1900 mobile would have been great 6 to 12 months ago, but basically now your just getting outdated tech, for a pretty hefty price, all I know is that the R600 series really needs to be special,as nvidia has already set the bar really high in the DX10 arena, and with companies like evga giving you the step up option for desktop cards, where you can send back a card within 3 months and get full mrsp towards a new model or refresh is making nvidia the undisputed king of the hill again.

 

Wow, I got my first bad rep due to that post, I did not mean to offend anybody, I was simply stating my personal observations. If I am grossly misinformed about anything that I post, please correct me.

I really dont feel that neg rep should be given out simply due to a difference of opinion, however personal attacks, blatant lies, posting multiple threads to stir up something thats already been settled etc are another story.... I do apologize if I offended anyone, that was not my intent.

 

Well, anyway, this card is faster then gf7900gs and xi1554 is cheaper then other notebooks with geforce cards, so i would say this card offers good price/performans.

 

You have a point there. A 2.0 GHz Core 2 Duo, 2 GB, X1900 256 MB, 17" 1920*1200 for just 1880 euro's is not very expensive.

 

Heh, in Poland it's for 6999 PLN which is 1775 euro and I think it's not the lowest one. Also I checked today that X1900 is MXM standard card.

 

Actually, a 7900GS paired to a Core Duo 1.73 (not Core 2Duo) is faster.

 

So basically another card gets nearly ruined by ATI because it's too hot and it underclocked...

The x1800 was a competitor to the 7900gs, then they underclocked it...

I wonder how fast this would go normal clocked?

When will ati get it? You either make it cool enough to normal clock or you don't clock at all.

 

the 7900 gs is also heavily underclocked. Some of us were just lucky enough to unlock it's potential with bios mods. But that's just the way the game works when it comes to any gpu - ati, nvidia or otherwise; they all have to be underclocked versions of the normal card, or else a lot of us would have burnt notebooks as doorstops.

 

Yea gsx is sick. You can't beat 9000+ 3dmark scores for as low as $1300 (if you limit cpu/memory/HD), thats why the e1705 is virtually untouched in price/performance ratio.

But then again this alienware (an overpriced company) you can get x1900 for $1599 and still have a gig of ram and a real c2d (not the limited FSB versions) so i dunno its a toss up.

 

It seems like Alienware is having some supply issues with the Mobility Radeon X1900:
http://www.alienware.com/product_de...SysCode=PC-LT-AREA51M5790&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT

And, the price has skyrocketed to $500. It used to be a $350 upgrade.

 

Then it's a good thing mine's already shipped!

Perhaps you had the X1800 selected the first time, and the GF the second.
It's $350 over the former, and $500 over the latter.

 

no he is right it did skyrocket.

 

so 500$ for a card that barely tops a stock nvidia 7900 gs? hmm...maybe it does great with vista or somethin'.

 

It does not top the 7900GS.

 

Guys we have to face it: the X1900 is nothing what we expected... No 10k 3dmark05, not a cooler system.

ATI has failed this round.

 

ATI has failed for the past yr...2 yrs?

the last time ati was on top was when...what? the x800 series gpus?

cross fire w/ the dongal...um yeah

now there's a lawsuit against ati over the x1900's b/c they were advertised as being hdcp compliant when they aren't...

so sad =(, hope they come out w/ the R600 soon...less competition against nvidia = higher prices for us

 

i know it doesn't...i was just trying to sugar coat it.

 

I agree with you Yang... I hope ATI will fight back so we get lower prices And I am kinda fan of ATI in notebooks, I think their Powerplay rocks!

 

i'm w/ u Notebook,

I've always preferred ati notebooks over nvidia...not sure why really haha since I've used both nvidia and ati when it comes to desktops